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Title: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by LostArtist on 07/06/18 at 14:22:50 https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/06/politics/separated-families-hearing-questions/index.html Administration asks if it has to reunite children and already deported parents The government hasn't answered key questions on family separations Will the government reunite kids with parents who have already been deported? In their latest court filing, the government asked the court for clarity about whether officials actually have to do this, noting that the judge's ruling did not specify whether deported parents should be included. If that is required, the filing said, officials would need more time "given the complexities involved in locating individuals who have been removed, determining whether they wish to be reunified with their child, and facilitating such a reunification outside of the United States." |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by faffi on 07/07/18 at 11:57:28 As I understand it, many who got their children removed were not trying to get into USA illegally, but were refugees seeking asylum. That is not a crime in any way. Regardless of the parents' actions, though, I find it horrendous to let the innocent children suffer for it. But Norway cannot shout too loud because we run a rather inhumane policy towards refugees ourselves that often make me ashamed. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by WebsterMark on 07/08/18 at 04:40:36 How many North African single men between 18-25 seeking asylum have you given living space in house to? |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by faffi on 07/08/18 at 11:39:54 A relevant question. The answer is zero. It is much more convenient to pay extra taxes and get an organized integration. That can also be read as not wanting to make a serious effort on my behalf, of course. About 75% of refugees and those seeking asylum are granted a stay in Norway. Considering that there will always be a minority in search of a better life without an actual need for protection, that figure is probably decent. However, our most right-wing party - which probably is almost as right wing as the Democrats in USA overall (not kidding) - is part of the government and they want the number of people coming to Norway for protection to be zero. Zilch. Instead, they want to help people in need where they are, because for the same amount of money you can then help 30 times more people. That is an argument I can understand and agree with, but there are always those who simply cannot be helped where they are. Or who have escaped and cannot be returned safely. Hundreds of thousands of refugees are flooding Italy and Greece and Turkey in particular, and we cannot expect them to take the burden alone. Especially since their economy is much worse than our. So back to the original question, I could add; do I want to? No. Nor do I want to house anybody else outside my immediate family, whether they are Norwegians or foreigners, no matter how much in need they are. I am willing to pay my share for them to get help, but I am not eager do actually do much. Not very noble :-[ |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by Eegore on 07/08/18 at 12:41:32 I'm in the same boat. I am not going to house immigrants, or foster kids, or domestic violence victims but I will donate or pay taxes that assist with funding organizations that do. Whenever someone is anti-immigration the "would you put them in your house" argument comes up as if that's part of actual immigration law somewhere. Its like bringing up Nazis in discussions that have nothing to do with them. I mean how do you argue in the favor of Nazis? The same way you argue in favor of placing immigrants into private households. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by faffi on 07/08/18 at 13:13:50 5575777F6275100 wrote:
Good points. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by Serowbot on 07/08/18 at 13:22:32 4565676F7265000 wrote:
Trump has... That's part of the problem... :-X |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by MnSpring on 07/08/18 at 13:31:43 7167706D75606D76020 wrote:
And the statement, made by Trump, where it was recorded that he said that, Is where ? (Or did you just make that up ?) |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by Serowbot on 07/08/18 at 13:35:06 Google dude,... Google... :-/ Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides' Trump Says 'Two Sides' Share Blame for Charlottesville Rally Violence Trump's defense of a neo-Nazi rally crossed a line for many Republicans. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e3T3VHmEkg[/media] |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by MnSpring on 07/08/18 at 13:56:46 5C4A5D40584D405B2F0 wrote:
WOW, what a GREAT way to, NOT ANSWER ! I say it again, Where, is the Clip, of Trump saying he, is in favor of Nazis ? What, because he supports the 1st, for a Nazi group, The SAME WAY, he supports, the, ’Stand In The Street Criers’, groups. When it is said: ‘…argue in the favor of Nazis?…”, You say, “Trump has…” You, Put in a film clip made by a ’Trump Hater’. In exchange for actually, ANSWERING ! |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by Eegore on 07/08/18 at 14:12:47 Trump hasn't been recorded saying he supports, has supported, or would if he was alive at the time and capable of supporting Nazis. If someone wants a recording like the one where he says he can grab women by the p uss y since he's famous I don't think that's going to happen. So I'd say Trump has not specifically been documented saying he would support Nazis. He is however more tolerant of modern day white supremacy, which does not mean he supports it, it just means and only means that he is more tolerant. Nothing more is to be read into it. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by hotrod on 07/08/18 at 21:10:51 It's not the job of the president to talk sweet and tuck us in bed at night. I had a plumber fix a leaking pipe. He farted and talked to himself, but was a great plumber. Let the guy do his job. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by MShipley on 07/09/18 at 13:23:26 So I'd say Trump has not specifically been documented saying he would support Nazis. He is however more tolerant of modern day white supremacy, which does not mean he supports it, it just means and only means that he is more tolerant. Nothing more is to be read into it.[/quote] |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by MShipley on 07/09/18 at 13:31:46 So I'd say Trump has not specifically been documented saying he would support Nazis. He is however more tolerant of modern day white supremacy, which does not mean he supports it, it just means and only means that he is more tolerant. Nothing more is to be read into it.[/quote] It is interesting that we on the right are always being bullied that we are not tolerant. If we were just more tolerant the world would be a better place. Tolerance is knowing that these white supremacist have horrible views at the same time understanding that they are free human beings that have a right to their view. I think Trump has displayed Tolerance, while he does not agree with them they are humans entitled to their view. The problem is those on the left actually do not care about tolerance, they care only about their beliefs, and would deny people with different views the freedom to have them. That is not tolerance, that is tyranny. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/18 at 13:32:00 Go to Mexico in a similar fashion and be in prison for 2 to 10 years. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by MShipley on 07/09/18 at 13:37:15 776473726D6066646F30010 wrote:
Shame on you. You are trying to be logical and sensible here. That is not allowed. You should understand by just the title of this thread that only hyperbole and emotionalism is allowed. |
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Title: Re: come to America and we'll kidnap your kids! Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/18 at 13:44:24 736D56574E525B473E0 wrote:
Shame on you. You are trying to be logical and sensible here. That is not allowed. You should understand by just the title of this thread that only hyperbole and emotionalism is allowed.[/quote] I suppose you could go to Mexico and for the right amount of money, be legal or disappeared... whatever floats your boat. |
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