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Title: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/22/18 at 15:01:44 Radical Islam like ISIS, or the Catholic Church? How can you even gauge, measure, the damage certain priest visited on children? How can any organization not acknowledge it outright? How can all this molestations, coming to light be allowed to exist without some serious consequences? Yes, I believe many, many, folks have been served by the church in a positive way.... However, that does not subtract from the overall charge and claims of the Church, for it is a organization of centralized power/control. Please, without hype, or scorn, tell me, how did this ever go on for so long? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Serowbot on 08/22/18 at 15:10:47 Historically,... Christianity... But,... it got a 1500 year head start... This century,.. still Christians. Islam is catching up, but a long row to hoe... PS... I'm not saying this,.. I just Googled it. :-? https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/which-religion-most-violent/ http://https://www.juancole.com/images/2013/04/relviolence.jpg |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/22/18 at 15:20:20 I believe those numbers include catholic.... BTW, the question in all fairness was rhetorical. It had more to do with my disgust at the gushing over the “pope” etc, as a moral authority, etc. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Eegore on 08/22/18 at 16:02:57 I think there's two primary factors that make something like this go on for an extended period of time. There's more than that but I think starting with two is good enough. First many children are not educated at a young age what grooming, molestation or abuse from people they know is. "Stanger Danger" is what most programs teach and that ignores people we know as being identified as potential abusers, which is the most likely to happen. Second is that groups protect their own, and have no responsibility to report, criminal activity becomes rampant. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Matchless G11 on 08/22/18 at 17:19:28 6177607D65707D66120 wrote:
A little problem with this graph, They left off Mao China. 60 to 80 Million killed in the great leap forward, few of them European Christian background. Also little to none of the wars during the 20th century were over religion except to try to eradicate them. (Hitler"s death camps , Stalin's gulag ) |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/22/18 at 17:38:04 1636343C2136530 wrote:
Thanks.... Your second observation I can readily agree with. Your first one, not so sure. Let’s call it intimidated, but why? Where is the communication of a child to their parents? I don’t believe it’s a simple answer. I will tell this story, and let others come to their own conclusions, as how seemingly innocent “justifications” can really have a unforeseen consequence. The 60’s. Friday evening in the suburbs. Couples join together in enjoying cocktails at a revolving neighbors house. They are gathered in the living room, moods and conversations improve as the 2nd and 3rd rounds of drinks progress. The hosting couple have a small son, Johnny. He was instructed to stay in his bedroom until the guest left. He didn’t. Looking in the mirror, he found his nose, ran out into the crowd holding it. Folks laughed at him, telling him he had such a perfect nose. The parents beamed, even tho Johnny didn’t listen. Johnny ran out of the room, only to return holding his ear. Same results, he got all the attention! He left. He returned, only now he is holding his dong...... Folks just clammed up, uncomfortable, his parents livid and embarrassed. The dad grabbed Johnny, dragging him off to his room. His dad scolding him while in a drunken state, harsh and blunt, and beyond Johnny’s ability to comprehend. It was never talked about again. Johnny grew up having personality conflicts related to sexuality issues, which manifested itself in other matters that were not even of sexual nature. Do you understand? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Eegore on 08/22/18 at 19:27:03 I understand but I don't think children chastised by drunk dads are a larger statistical number than domestic sexual abuse victims. Lack of youth education programs designed to teach children that people they know are more likely to abuse them in various ways at stages throughout their lives than people they have never met before have a linear and statistical methodology. Part of that is because of how extremely common it is. Stranger Danger is taught, the Priest/Uncle/Boyfriend/Cousin/Dad/Friend's Sister/Teacher/Coach etc. is not typically taught even though all those people damage more children than strangers ever do. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/22/18 at 20:18:27 Why is that? Again, I think my story/example might illustrate it...... People feel uncomfortable, embarrassed, wishing, "hoping" it will be forgotten, go away. What you think? I don't believe its sinister, however, it is devious and dishonest, and it shifts the "problem" to the victim, in a sense, "they" have to get over it....????? I believe I read a article where these kids who were molested ended up molesting others themselves. I am sure you have seen reports of how a boy who grows up with a dad who beats his mother/wife, will often beat his wife later in life to, yes? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Eegore on 08/22/18 at 21:05:28 Maybe we are talking about the same thing. I am saying that there isn't education readily available that implicates people children know as potential abusers. Instead the readily available programs focus on people the children have never met. I feel as long as children are not educated that people they know can hurt them, and that it is wrong, then there's going to be a continual problem especially in organizations like churches where clergy, or any trusted individual is held to a standard so high that its essentially disbelief from parents and children alike that that trusted member would harm children. They are concerned about the one in a million chance of a pedophile offering them candy from a blacked out van than the thousands of people that the kid will actually meet, like teachers, friends and church leaders. There is reciprocating cycles of abuse like domestic violence and sexual abuse of children, but I was trying to tie in my assessment of religious application to education of youth as per the original topic posted in this thread. Cyclical abuse over generations is a broad scope and I am not sure is as prominent in religious propagation of sexual abuse as poor education at young ages is. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/22/18 at 21:26:56 Gotcha..... I am not sure where we can lay the blame, or if it would even bring resolutions to this issue. You give a good example of teaching about the possibilities of a "stranger" being the one to worry about, when it is, like rape of a woman, a person the victim knows, to one degree or another. Hopefully with the advent of addressing "sexuality" issues and concerns from a strict adherence of "one size fits all" ( no pun intended...well, maybe just a wee bit ) to a better understanding that it is as diverse as the many people who are sexual creatures. Our understanding will improve, with the openness that can remove the stigma.....???? Good night :) |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by faffi on 08/22/18 at 23:20:44 7563746971646972060 wrote:
Well worth a read. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by faffi on 08/22/18 at 23:40:33 "And though Trump’s concern is for Jewish people being the subjects of persecution by “radical Islamic preachers,” it is not the radical Muslims I’m worried about as a Jew living in America. There’s plenty of hatred and anti-Semitism in the Muslim world, but the kind I receive around the clock doesn’t come from Muslims. It comes from Trump’s white, Christian supporters. I would much rather he address the persecution of Jewish journalists by his own followers, some of whom freely interweave Christian symbols, white power references, and violent threats in their communications. But Trump doesn’t address them and he certainly doesn’t disavow them. He said he has “no message” for them. Just for the radical Muslims." https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/14/if-islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-so-is-christianity/ |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/23/18 at 07:27:31 The post was specific. It wasn't about Mao. Its not about all religions. Its not about Trump's failure to call out hateful Christians, or Obama's failure to call out hateful Muslims. Again, for clarity, its about a centralized power, the Vatican, and its apparent decades, if not longer, failure to address a problem within its organization. My posting was my attempt at finding out the why's, and how's, with the hope of ensuring societies don't fall victim to such traps, of centralized powers, under the guise of "preaching" they care. Please, if you can keep your comments within that parameter, I'd love to hear your thoughts. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 07:49:52 Institutionally,.. I think the Church acts much like any other institution... It protects itself... On a more personal level,... It's easy to see the attraction of a lifestyle that permits trusted access to children for a pedophile... ... but,.. if you have even an inkling of suspicion that there is a god that watches you and will punish you eternally for immoral actions,... how could anyone do such things to the most innocent among us?... I know it is said that God forgives all things,.. but if you are committing the act, knowing you will use God's "get out of jail free" card,... I don't think a god is going to let you slide. If he does,... he's not a god worthy of consideration... |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 07:56:59 7563746971646972060 wrote:
Well put Sero! |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/23/18 at 09:11:24 Bot, the bible tells us those religious leaders who use the teachings for personal gains, will be judged more severly. I still wonder why it went on for so long. Just like the entertainment industry turning a blind eye to its sexual problems. I think folks must feel dwarfed in their ability to combat these powers? Hopefully with the advent of the INTERNET, real information can reach folks that hasn't been edited, scripted, twisted, in a manner that protects the assorted attached entities, that have a stake in that power grid. Knowledge is power. Maybe a power beyound the grab of money? To foster a society that is strong enough to stand up to wrong, regardless of who it is, or why, then folks won't have to forfeit their own self, at the alters of these self appointed gods?? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 09:31:42 When people ask me, how do I have a moral compass without a belief in God,... I wonder about their's... God is not a moral compass... (he committed many horrific acts) Religion is not moral... (millions have been murdered by religion) ...and our religious leaders are not to be trusted... (evidence 1,000's of victims in Pennsylvania alone) Imagine the millions world wide. I'm an atheist because I'm disgusted with the whole thing. No real god should allow this. I know the old argument about a "personal relationship" with God that bypasses all this,... but it doesn't. This god allows this. Blinders don't fix it. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/23/18 at 09:49:25 I appreciate your honesty Bot..... :) I too have asked such questions, and I have no better answers than you. I have shared here, about my discussions about societal issues, and how believers use their own justification to impact others, in a way that does not edify Jesus. Yes, its a major issue, I totally agree, and one I have to believe pains Jesus's heart greatly. But keep in mind, the fairness of your rendering..... Shall you desire to be judged by the actions of others who share a common thought, belief, theme? Can you stand as witness that all of them are without sin/guilt? Anyway, here, let me share this thought I had this morning over my morning coffee ( love that caffeine ) ;D A thought crossed my mind this morning, as I read about all the ills of this world. Everyone, please try to wrap a understanding around this. I promise if you do, you will find within yourself, so many answers to the riddles of your life...... No two of us are alike, none. Therefor, none of us can ever be in total agreement forever.... its not possible. One would have to eventually surrender themselves, to the other, to have peace. That is the breeding grounds for deceit and dishonesty. Each one of us is a design all unto its own, unique, novel, and perfect. Acceptance of others is rooted in first accepting yourself, good, bad, or indifferent. You are who you are, lock, stock, and barrel.... This world would be a boring and ugly place, if we were all exactly alike. And finally, remember, God grades on the curve :) PS: If God doesn't work for you, use karma instead ;) |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 10:29:25 This is only my opinion (but might also be shared by others)- If you really want to know why these things have gone on for so long, look no further than religion itself. At the very base of religion, is the idea of inclusion vs. exclusion. "This is what is right and if you don't follow along, then something bad will happen to you". But, "If you follow along and do what we say, then all your wishes will come true." Of course, that's a rudimentary statement at best, and it doesn't get to the heart of your question - but it's the starting point. Again, in my opinion, it seems people in general feel better when they're told what to do. When they're given a list to check off, they feel they've accomplished something. Religion does that for them. It makes them feel included. It insulates them. It reassures them that what they're doing is right. Conversely, it also reassures them that what other, non-believers are doing is wrong. It gives them the "power" to judge others based solely on their own outlook - not taking into consideration anyone else's. Evangelizing is pretty much based on this. Convert these lost souls to (insert religion here). So who's right and who's wrong? Is it wrong not to be a Christian? I don't think so. Is it wrong to be a Muslim? Again, I don't think so. Same with being a Jew, or a Seventh Day Adventist, or a Holy Roller, or whatever. On the flip side, is it right to kill in the name of any religion? I don't think so. Far too often, a religious people wraps themselves in their little secular world, with views no farther than the tip of their nose. They point to the problems in the world instead of actually doing something about them There are exceptions of course - I think that our own Eegore is a fine example of the good that it can do. But sadly, the good are often overlooked for the evil. When's the last time you saw a report anywhere on the good that a church, synagogue or mosque have done? The bad gets more press because people's fear of it drives up ratings. Fear grabs your attention. Fear motivates. For better or worse, that same fear drives many to religion. Therein lies the starting point of problems with religion. I do feel that the base of all religions is good. But through interpretation and man's shortcomings, far too often it's mutated and distorted into something it's not. -------- I mean, how do we trust in any religion that justifies murder of another? - “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13) - ..then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. (Quran 9:5) Of course most of us all realize that these passages aren't meant as hard set rules, but there are some that follow them to the Nth degree and call them gospel. Further, as Sero put it - what kind of God forgives a lifetime of child molestation or murder, or hate? Again, that's how some justify their actions, that's perhaps the reason that these molestations happen, or why the Crusades and other holy wars have killed so many. Religion has been flawed by interpretation, by evangelization, by man in general. To go back to the original question - "how did this ever go on for so long?" Because Humans aren't perfect. Good and evil (and everyone's interpretations of what those are) exist. And again, although not very well stated, this is just my opinion. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/23/18 at 10:57:06 Everything you listed, is tribal in nature..... You believe something because you don’t believe what it is others believe. How do you circumvent that? How many have your judged without the benefit of walking in their shoes? To look at this from a religion perspective.... You had the 12 tribes. Look at their fighting? All from the same seed, yet? The misconception of a moral compass is like a magnetic one sitting too close to a enfluncing source ( of energy ) as power, once again, throwing it off course. A moral compass is not a instrument to shine upon another to reveal their sin/faults, no, that only brings confrontation. It’s to be used to navigate ones own journey honestly within themselves. If that revelation is based on the external actions of others, then the question that needs to be answered is why do you rely on exterior elements to define you/us? And again, this is not about dirty priest, as such, it’s why did we allow it to go on. And your referencing killings by religion as cause, ignores the fact more killing has taken place by secular people, or anti religion, since the recording of time.... But once again, that is not the topic. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 11:32:05 61726A77726474130 wrote:
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by MnSpring on 08/23/18 at 11:53:16 4D535C5D504D564B390 wrote:
Rather sure, it has been proven, beyond a shadow of doubt, their was. (The Ark, 2 animal thing, the name Noah, are, a belief) |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 11:58:27 0F2C1132302B2C25420 wrote:
Rather sure, it has been proven, beyond a shadow of doubt, their was. (The Ark, 2 animal thing, the name Noah, are, a belief) You forgot the last line - "and Noah took 2 of each animal." Once again, you miss the context and only copy and paste a small portion. You should not do that. It makes you look untrustworthy. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/23/18 at 12:46:12 Why it's gone on so long is not easily answered. Suffice it to say, in the case of the pedo priests - they protect their own. They cover it up and just pray for the sinner. That didn't work out too well. Thank you, that was all I asked. I don’t know either, that is what prompted my post. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 13:02:42 John Lennon said it best... |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/23/18 at 14:27:46 Can’t we do more than imagine? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 14:59:46 Not with Trump spewing division everywhere he's goes... PS.. David Duke of the KKK just endorsed Trump's position on S. Africa... ...but,.. Trump's not a racist... Naaaaa... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by MnSpring on 08/23/18 at 15:32:05 3B2D3A273F2A273C480 wrote:
Would you please explain, Why, when someone, (who just about everybody calls a racist) Likes Trump. That makes, Trump, a Racist ? Really want to hear, the ultra-Liberal explanation ! (I know, ask TT, He'll know) |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 15:36:34 795A6744465D5A53340 wrote:
Actions speak louder than words |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by MnSpring on 08/23/18 at 15:40:28 495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:
Don’t do the BS TT SPIN, and NOT Answer. Answer. WHY does someone else, (who probably is a racist) MAKE, Trump, a racist ???? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 16:51:20 795A6744465D5A53340 wrote:
Don’t do the BS TT SPIN, and NOT Answer. Do you have any examples of this mn? Will you just continue to blame me unjustly? Answer. WHY does someone else, (who probably is a racist) MAKE, Trump, a racist ???? [/quote] No one makes trump a racist. His actions, his inactions and his words make many people believe that he's a racist. I'm still on the fence about that though. I think his biggest problem is that he simply doesn't know any better. He a racist by stupidity. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by MShipley on 08/24/18 at 08:44:01 7462756870656873070 wrote:
I don't know where you got this but it is ridiculous to suggest that 102 million people were killed in the name of Christianity in the 20th century or any other century. While there were 113 million killed in the 20th century. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol pot, Mussolini, all killed under the banner of Atheistic Humanism. They ALL denied the existence of God and in some cases actually wanted to stomp out religion. I know that you are not a believer BOT, but come on, you are smarter and more sophisticated than this. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Serowbot on 08/24/18 at 08:52:54 7A645F5E475B524E370 wrote:
I don't know where you got this but it is ridiculous to suggest that 102 million people were killed in the name of Christianity in the 20th century or any other century. While there were 113 million killed in the 20th century. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol pot, Mussolini, all killed under the banner of Atheistic Humanism. They ALL denied the existence of God and in some cases actually wanted to stomp out religion. I know that you are not a believer BOT, but come on, you are smarter and more sophisticated than this. [/quote] PS... I'm not saying this,.. I just Googled it. :-? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by T And T Garage on 08/24/18 at 08:53:47 4E506B6A736F667A030 wrote:
I don't know where you got this but it is ridiculous to suggest that 102 million people were killed in the name of Christianity in the 20th century or any other century. While there were 113 million killed in the 20th century. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol pot, Mussolini, all killed under the banner of Atheistic Humanism. They ALL denied the existence of God and in some cases actually wanted to stomp out religion. I know that you are not a believer BOT, but come on, you are smarter and more sophisticated than this. [/quote] Well this is an interesting read: http://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/ For the record, I'm agnostic, I'm not knocking religion, but I do like to uncover the hypocrisy it shows us from time to time. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by MShipley on 08/24/18 at 09:30:05 352B242528352E33410 wrote:
I don't know where you got this but it is ridiculous to suggest that 102 million people were killed in the name of Christianity in the 20th century or any other century. While there were 113 million killed in the 20th century. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol pot, Mussolini, all killed under the banner of Atheistic Humanism. They ALL denied the existence of God and in some cases actually wanted to stomp out religion. I know that you are not a believer BOT, but come on, you are smarter and more sophisticated than this. [/quote] Well this is an interesting read: http://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/ For the record, I'm agnostic, I'm not knocking religion, but I do like to uncover the hypocrisy it shows us from time to time. [/quote] It is an interesting read but his premise is bad. He says you can not blame atheism because it is not a religion, OK that can be argued........ He says Pol Pot and Stalin DID NOT act in the name of Christianity and only associates Biblical references that Hitler knew as evidence that he did? The Bible has had great influence on Western Culture. I am sure that it had influence on Hitler. So did Darwin and so did Nietzsche. Once again, claiming to be a Christian and being one are two entirely different things. Like I said, you can not connect 102 million deaths to the Christian faith. Done in the name of Christ. I am a realist and I do understand that awful things have been done by Christians. That is why you have heard me say "look to Jesus not to his followers". But you have to ask the question, if these 102 million were killed predicated on a Worldview, and it isn't the Christian Worldview, or the Muslim Worldview, then it what Worldview was it? The Atheist, Humanist, Worldview has ramifications whether you want to consider it a religion or not. ALL Worldviews have ramifications of some type good and bad. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 10:59:05 I get it everyone has a need to be right, nothing new about that..... However, once again, the post is NOT about killing, no, but human nature, and why folks don't do the right thing. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by faffi on 08/24/18 at 12:39:12 Gott mit uns, wasn't that one of Hitler's slogans? Anyway, yes, I hear what you are saying, Ray, and I think there are several answers to your question why people do not behave and act decently. I'll try to mention a few of them, but there are likely hundreds. 1) Culture. What is right in one culture is wrong in another. Could be between countries. religions, regions, interest groups, families... 2) Convictions. Some are convinced they are entitled to something and will believe just about any and all means are allowed to obtain it. 3) Greed. Most seem to suffer from it. 4) Ego. Some are only aware of themselves (and/or their families) and have little regard for others. 5) Intolerance. The majority have trouble accepting those who differ from themselves in some, most or every way. Basically, it is human nature that stands in out way. Ever since I was a kid I have despised humanity. Not one single thing have improved on this planet after we appeared, but a lot have gotten worse. There are plenty of individuals I respect, some highly, but as a group humanity has nothing going for it in my opinion. That is also why I find it impossible to like someone as Trump. Is he a man who stands up for the weak, a man who wants a better future for all, as in the world, and who is fighting for the good causes? Is he honest and decent? Not the way I see it. To me, he, along with the likes of Putin and Erdogan and the rest of the dictators, are ugly people personified. But I must respect that others have a different view. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by MShipley on 08/24/18 at 12:44:22 585F5858573E0 wrote:
This is exactly why I am a Christian and follower of Jesus. It is the only worldview, and Jesus was the only one that accurately defines man's condition. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 14:14:06 Thank you faffi. As a kid you had disdain for humanity? Wow, I was more into toys, then sports, girls, beer, girls as sport ;D I can’t help but think about how our own self importance/projections is a major component to the ills of this world? How do you know a person, if you never walked in their shoes? How do you even assign to them anything, if you are looking at them with your own prejudices? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Eegore on 08/24/18 at 14:35:57 "How do you even assign to them anything, if you are looking at them with your own prejudices?" Don't assign them to anything. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 14:55:43 5676747C6176130 wrote:
Then how do you even dialogue? |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Matchless G11 on 08/24/18 at 15:02:46 Every world view has to answer the same four questions. Where did I come from? What is my destination? Why am I here- what is my purpose? What is my moral code? Quite a few world views fail in answering these. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Eegore on 08/24/18 at 16:37:38 "Then how do you even dialogue?" I just use two general rules for my communication across the board: Understand to be understood. Keep dialogue productive. That's pretty much all I need to communicate taking language barriers into account. What does "assign to them anything" mean? I might have misunderstood. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 19:28:24 5777757D6077120 wrote:
Great idea, let me explain what I mean by assign. You could say to me, “How about that Bot.” It could have been right after a post/reply, by me, that he replied to, disagreeing with my post. I could assign your remark, to me, that you find Bot wrong too, or a critique, or.....??? Does that make sense? Of course I could ask you, what did you mean, instead of assigning/assuming, what you meant, however, that takes more energy, and I might not want to hear in fact, you agree with him.... A real ignorant is bliss, scenario ;D |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Eegore on 08/24/18 at 20:03:52 So you are saying you prefer to assume over taking the steps to clarify the meaning of a sentence? When you asked: "How do you know a person, if you never walked in their shoes? How do you even assign to them anything, if you are looking at them with your own prejudices? " Were you linking the two, as in how can we know another person and assign them some sort of label, or were they two completely separate questions? Like how can anyone know anyone, also unrelated, how do you assign someone to a descriptive or other type of assignment/label? I thought you meant "assign" as in placing specific labels, stereotypes, or other factors such as economic or education levels upon people you meet. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 20:22:40 When I said this: "How do you know a person, if you never walked in their shoes? How do you even assign to them anything, if you are looking at them with your own prejudices? " It was rhetorical rebuttal to folks who claim that their belief/assertions, on any given topic, is truth. You see a lot of wholesale "facts" tossed about in this form, from only having read a story/article, from their favorite news outlet. Its what they want to believe, it seems to me. You are absolutely right, if folks don't really know, they should ask questions for clarification. As I alluded to in my last reply, maybe we don't want to know the real truth, by walking in another persons shoes, when we find more comfort in our own :) |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by eau de sauvage on 08/24/18 at 23:05:19 Who has killed more; A viewers guide... https://youtu.be/4pKMV6e5kEo |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by Eegore on 08/25/18 at 06:19:36 "You are absolutely right, if folks don't really know, they should ask questions for clarification. As I alluded to in my last reply, maybe we don't want to know the real truth, by walking in another persons shoes, when we find more comfort in our own" Ok that makes sense. |
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Title: Re: Who has killed more? Post by raydawg on 08/25/18 at 10:35:50 634341495443260 wrote:
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