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Message started by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 06:24:47

Title: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 06:24:47

Tweeted and seemingly endorsed by our orange idiot in the White House...

http://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-sparks-outrage-tweeting-075653628.html

I wonder if he's only "kidding"?

or

I wonder if he's just that hooked on tucker carlson?

or

I wonder if he's that poorly informed/educated?

or

I wonder if he's just "all in" with the white nationalists?

The worst part about this? All the questions I pose above are reasonable when regarding this sham of a president.

Go ahead and call it TDS. But when you have a president making official statements that endorse white nationalist propaganda - that's anything but TDS - that's an ill-equipped man child not knowing what the heck he's doing.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 06:53:56

What's going on in S. Africa is a real thing. Land is being seized with no compensation. To the people who just cried 'no one is above the law' and 'justice is justice no matter towards who' seem to think it's what they deserve for being white and owning land. To call it white nationalism is a stretch I think.

South Africa is entering a slow descent into a second Venezuela.

This is a perfect example where labeling someone a racist or labeling positions taken against policies that happen to be enacted by black leaders inherently racist, does real harm. I would have thought Obama, Hilary or Sanders would have done the same thing.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 07:56:04

506265747362754A66756C070 wrote:

What's going on in S. Africa is a real thing. Land is being seized with no compensation. To the people who just cried 'no one is above the law' and 'justice is justice no matter towards who' seem to think it's what they deserve for being white and owning land. To call it white nationalism is a stretch I think.

But what's been "reported" by fox news and out moronic president is simply untrue. It's part of a far right, white nationalist campaign to further divide South Africa.

South Africa is entering a slow descent into a second Venezuela.

This is a perfect example where labeling someone a racist or labeling positions taken against policies that happen to be enacted by black leaders inherently racist, does real harm. I would have thought Obama, Hilary or Sanders would have done the same thing.

See my statement above - knowing that what's been "reported" is simply not true.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by MnSpring on 08/23/18 at 08:39:20

2A343B3A372A312C5E0 wrote:

But what's been "reported" by fox news and out moronic president is simply untrue.
It's part of a far right, white nationalist campaign to further divide South Africa.
See my statement above - knowing that what's been "reported" is simply not true.

When did you take the trip to S. Africa ?
And sit in on meeting, and hear what the S. African people, are planing ?

Surely, YHooooooooooo 'News', and their opinion, (which is/has Never been Aniti-Trump), would not be the opinion that made you decide to say:"...knowing that what's been "reported" is simply not true..." about another News company/source.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 08:46:21

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 08:59:09

43605D7E7C6760690E0 wrote:

[quote author=2A343B3A372A312C5E0 link=1535030687/0#2 date=1535036164] But what's been "reported" by fox news and out moronic president is simply untrue.
It's part of a far right, white nationalist campaign to further divide South Africa.
See my statement above - knowing that what's been "reported" is simply not true.

When did you take the trip to S. Africa ?
And sit in on meeting, and hear what the S. African people, are planing ?

I've never been to South Africa. Have you? (I don't think our orange president has been there either - he probably based his tweet on tucker carlson's show segment)

I base my posts on information I've gathered from several sources. How about you?

Surely, YHooooooooooo 'News', and their opinion, (which is/has Never been Aniti-Trump), would not be the opinion that made you decide to say:"...knowing that what's been "reported" is simply not true..." about another News company/source.[/quote]

Actually mn, this is not from yahoo, but from Huffington Post. Yahoo only reposted it.

Now, go ahead and argue about Huff Po all you want - but it's not just them reporting on it. It's been covered by several news outlets, and they all say the same thing - trump (and tucker) are suckers to a white nationalist propaganda campaign.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/23/trump-orders-close-study-of-south-africa-farmer-killings

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/23/17772056/south-africa-trump-tweet-afriforum-white-farmers-violence

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-africa-hits-back-at-trump-over-land-seizure-tweet/

There's lots more if you care to find out.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 09:00:03

Is "TDS" the new "Snowflake"?....
An obligatory pejorative that must preface any Right-Wing rebuttal?...

Drop it... your arguments will sound more intelligent... 8-)

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 09:08:17

Sorry but you can't deny there are some who are completely unhinged over Trump.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 09:10:33

685A5D4C4B5A4D725E4D543F0 wrote:

But what's been "reported" by fox news and out moronic president is simply untrue. It's part of a far right, white nationalist campaign to further divide South Africa.

You know that for a fact? Fox News is the only one reporting on this and they are lying about it?

Correction - tucker carlson was reporting on it and trump, in a late night twitter frenzy, to distract from the Mueller investigation, tweeted his "call to action". Every other news organization is reporting that trump and tucker are suckers to right-wing, white nationalist propaganda.

I found data that says while the violence is at a low, there have been 47 white farmers murdered this year.

And black ones have been killed as well. Though those 47 are tragic, it's important to know (as you said), it's actually a lower number, comparatively. Again, proof of white nationalist propaganda.

All in all, Trump should know those suffering from TDS will jump an anything he post.

But once again, this is not TDS, this is trump tweeting in the middle of the night, seemingly unhinged and with nothing better to do. He also tweeted NO COLLUSION - WITCH HUNT with no provocation.

He's a man-child. He's an idiot with no control mechanism. He's an albatross to the GOP.

Again, if Obama had directed his Secy of State to look into this, it would be a nothing burger. But Trump should know nothing he does is viewed without bias.

Obama wouldn't have sent a tweet aout. Obama would have had it verified, not taken the word of say, rachel maddow. Obama would have done what any other sane president would do. Think before he acted upon an unsubstantiated report.

He needs me to edit his tweets.

He just needs to stop tweeting and resign.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 09:12:20

665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:

Sorry but you can't deny there are some who are completely unhinged over Trump.

I am... but I'm not deranged...
I'm rationally and justifiably unhinged... ;D

I'm just saying it doesn't add to the discourse,... and works against your argument...

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 09:21:40

Not sure about that.

To what degree is your 'rational and justifiable' unhinging greater than my disagreements with Obama?
Double?
Triple?
10 times?

If someone were to go through and look at all our comments on here, in the news media, in Hollywood and entertainment culture, about the two, clearly the vitriol Trump comments 'outweigh' the vitriol Obama comments. I don't think you can claim to be a rational person and object to that comment.

Now you may and no doubt will argue that Obama is not even in the same neighborhood as Trump when it comes to valid reasons be disagree with him, but that is relative and depends on your point of view.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 09:22:44

to distract from the Mueller investigation, tweeted his "call to action".

Really..... See my comments about TDS.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 09:35:27

122027363120370824372E450 wrote:

to distract from the Mueller investigation, tweeted his "call to action".

Really..... See my comments about TDS.

See what an effective Moderator I am?...
;D ;D ;D

Serow

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by MShipley on 08/23/18 at 09:49:10

I have stated before that I travel the world with my church helping the poor of the world. One of the places I go is Zimbabwe. South Africa is currently following exactly what Zimbabwe did. They are going in and taking all the farms owned by white people and giving it to the natives there. Zimbabwe was once a prosperous nation known for it's farming. it is now one of those *$&%holes that Trump talks about.

I have spoken with many White Farmers in Zimbabwe whos families have owned farms for 200 years in tears because the government came in one day and gave them 24 hours to get out. Many stood their ground and were killed.

Deserved or not this is done out of pure hate for Whites. Zimbabwe which was once a fertile, prosperous nation is now a nation of nothing but Bush country again and the people are starving because the people they gave the land to...there families and anyone else high in the Government....knows nothing about farming. They cut their own throat and South Africa is doing the same.

You can call this a Right Wing Lie or diversion if you want, you can call Trump stupid for caring about what is going on, I really don't care, it just exposes the irrational hate that you carry.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 10:35:09

370502131405122D01120B600 wrote:

to distract from the Mueller investigation, tweeted his "call to action".

Really..... See my comments about TDS.

I don't see how it's TDS when our president tweets in the middle of the night, after seeing a tucker carlson show, about how terrible things are in South Africa without ever looking into what's really going on.

Once again, we are just shining a light on the failings of this president.

You can label it whatever you like, but it's not a syndrome. It's simple truth. He is not fit for office and should resign/be impeached and thrown out.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by MnSpring on 08/23/18 at 10:41:56

12310C2F2D3631385F0 wrote:

[quote author=766867666B766D70020 link=1535030687/0#14 date=1535045709]"... He is not fit for office ..."

Perhaps you should read the post above the one you posted.
[/quote]

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by LostArtist on 08/23/18 at 10:42:47

360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:

What's going on in S. Africa is a real thing. Land is being seized with no compensation. To the people who just cried 'no one is above the law' and 'justice is justice no matter towards who' seem to think it's what they deserve for being white and owning land.

isn't that the colonizers did originally? only they took black owned land right? So the question is, is turn around actually fair play?

To call it white nationalism is a stretch I think.

South Africa is entering a slow descent into a second Venezuela.

maybe... there's a steep learning curve and revenge is easy

This is a perfect example where labeling someone a racist or labeling positions taken against policies that happen to be enacted by black leaders inherently racist, does real harm. I would have thought Obama, Hilary or Sanders would have done the same thing.

you're going to have to explain that last bit a bit more, you think Obama, Hilary or Sanders would have done what as the same thing?

oh, and because Fox News is the ONLY one reporting it, tells you something... at least it should, if there's only one source, then how do you verify it?

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by LostArtist on 08/23/18 at 10:45:46

6D7B6C71697C716A1E0 wrote:

Is "TDS" the new "Snowflake"?....
An obligatory pejorative that must preface any Right-Wing rebuttal?...

Drop it... your arguments will sound more intelligent... 8-)

I"m not so sure about that... ::)

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 10:47:43

53704D6E6C7770791E0 wrote:

[quote author=12310C2F2D3631385F0 link=1535030687/15#15 date=1535046065][quote author=766867666B766D70020 link=1535030687/0#14 date=1535045709]"... He is not fit for office ..."

Perhaps you should read the post above the one you posted.
[/quote]
[/quote]

I did. MShipley's entitled to his opinion, and I of mine. (yes, and even you of yours)

I think that trump is unfit for the office of president based on his erratic behavior, his lack of knowledge and his propensity for putting himself first.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 10:49:56

0B152E2F362A233F460 wrote:

Interested to see any responses to this post.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 10:53:32

What's going on in S. Africa is a real thing. Land is being seized with no compensation. To the people who just cried 'no one is above the law' and 'justice is justice no matter towards who' seem to think it's what they deserve for being white and owning land.

isn't that the colonizers did originally? only they took black owned land right? So the question is, is turn around actually fair play?

Seriously Lost, that's the way these things should go? So if some Indian shows up at your door, tells you to leave because he wants land your ancestors took from his ancestors, you're just gonna pack up and leave? If he attacks you, what are we suppose to do? Sit back, watch and say 'that's too bad, but you know, Lost had it coming...."

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by MnSpring on 08/23/18 at 11:19:17

7E4C4B5A5D4C5B64485B42290 wrote:

"... if some Indian shows up at your door, tells you to leave because he wants land your ancestors took from his ancestors, ..."

Lost (I believe he has) said he is in TX.

It would be closer, (in time), to say.
What if a Illegal Alien, came to you door and said;
"Get Out, or I will kill you”

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 11:51:25

435D66677E626B770E0 wrote:

I find it highly suspicious that all of a sudden, our president - under the gun/microscope by the Mueller investigation - is tweeting about South Africa right after a tucker carlson segment on fox.

To me, that shows short-sightedness, lack of knowledge and an attempt to distract from what's going on with him legally.

I'm not saying that there isn't violence, and I sure you've witnessed it first-hand. But what I am saying is that it's not as bad as the white nationalist propaganda makes it out to be.

As I've said, yes - I dislike the president immensely. But this kind of tweeting/stirring the base is nothing I'd tolerate from a liberal either. The man is unhinged in his incessant tweeting and is simply not fit for the office of president.

Of course - that's only my opinion...

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 13:20:42

Trump had a really bad day, yesterday...
This S. Africa turmoil,.. is his way of deflecting to the other side of the world...

I think he just looked at a map and tried to find the place farthest from Cohen in NY...
We're all surprised he found it... ;D

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by LostArtist on 08/23/18 at 14:47:41

5C6E69787F6E79466A79600B0 wrote:

What's going on in S. Africa is a real thing. Land is being seized with no compensation. To the people who just cried 'no one is above the law' and 'justice is justice no matter towards who' seem to think it's what they deserve for being white and owning land.

isn't that the colonizers did originally? only they took black owned land right? So the question is, is turn around actually fair play?

Seriously Lost, that's the way these things should go? So if some Indian shows up at your door, tells you to leave because he wants land your ancestors took from his ancestors, you're just gonna pack up and leave? If he attacks you, what are we suppose to do? Sit back, watch and say 'that's too bad, but you know, Lost had it coming...."

if they've taken over the government, get up and leave is exactly what I'd do, what else can I do? die? for what? dirt? fight? how? they own the government.... therefor superior fire power oh, and if you say, it's more than just dirt, it's blah blah blah, then yeah, that's exactly how THEY felt when whitey killed them and took it from them.

I might try to explain to them that I'm a 3rd generation here, we came over around WWI I believe, so my family directly didn't take the land from them and I'd be happy to continue renting from them... yeah, I rent, so moving isn't exactly a catastrophe for me.

but by all means, if you think it's worth dying for, that's your choice...

oh, and we aren't talking hundreds of years here though. South Africa got "independence in 1910, and apartheid, you know, that racist thing you seem to support as a better life, only ended in 1994

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by Serowbot on 08/23/18 at 14:57:33

Trump is only repeating Tucker Carlson's bullet points from White Nationalist propaganda on this topic.

This Presidents international advisers are TV personalties...
...and their sources are racist White Nationalists...
That's frikkin' scary... :-?

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 14:59:12

5741564B53464B50240 wrote:

It is, isn't it?

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by MnSpring on 08/23/18 at 16:38:05

That’s frikkin' scary.

Ya know what I Think is, scary,
that when two, Ultra-Liberals, believe that a POTUS,
says it is wrong, to let a Person/People, get Killed,
and their Land Taken, and given away to some someone else,
who, (my words) has the right application of nose on butt.

Think that is wrong.

That’s firkin' scary !

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 16:43:45

193A0724263D3A33540 wrote:

Well then mn, it's a good thing that that didn't happen then, huh?

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/18 at 16:50:46

5345524F57424F54200 wrote:

TDS.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/18 at 16:53:29

556760717667704F637069020 wrote:

[quote author=5345524F57424F54200 link=1535030687/15#25 date=1535061453]Trump is only repeating Tucker Carlson's bullet points from White Nationalist propaganda on this topic.

This Presidents international advisers are TV personalties...
...and their sources are racist White Nationalists...
That's frikkin' scary... :-?

TDS.[/quote]

So then mark - you think it's totally fine for our president to tweet out what he did based on a tucker carlson segment on fox?

Unless you mean that trump himself is suffering from TDS - now that I might believe.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/18 at 04:52:31

Was Tucker's report accurate or not?

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/24/18 at 05:33:44

6B595E4F48594E715D4E573C0 wrote:

Was Tucker's report accurate or not?

It was inaccurate. It fell in line with white nationalist propaganda. There's no "there" there.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/23/white-farmers-trump-south-africa-tucker-carlson-far-right-influence

http://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/08/23/trump-s-south-africa-tweet-tucker-carlson-has-turned-white-nationalist-narrative-white-house-policy/221085

So again, it's not that I dislike tucker carlson making such reports - he's a show host, not a journalist. The problem I have is that our president bases his policy and plans investigations base on this a$$-hat.

I'd be just as irate if Obama had done this with someone like maddow.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/18 at 07:25:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r8CyRxG8GI

From last night. Watch from 6:18 - 15:33

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/24/18 at 08:01:29

122027363120370824372E450 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r8CyRxG8GI

From last night. Watch from 6:18 - 15:33

Watched - and learned.

If you base the South African government on julius malema, then you must also base the republican party on the KKK, the alt-right and the like.

malema is not a "pivotal" part of South Africa - he's an extremist racist that's been expelled from the ANC for hate speech and is currently being pursued by AriForum for corruption.

Ramaphosa (the current president) has very different views than malema. I wonder why tucker didn't cover that?

One of the funnies things tucker said was "why would you take the statistics from the government at face value? That's insane, and our State Department does."

Not sure what we're supposed to do here tucker.... malema is an extremeist and doesn't have any final say on land expropriation. But of course, that's not discussed.

tucker is a pot stirring show host. That's pretty much it. He's no better than al sharpton

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by MShipley on 08/24/18 at 08:18:32

You can argue Trump's timing I don't really care, that in itself is motivated solely by hate. To deny that the report is not accurate is to deny reality.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/24/18 at 08:37:51

5D437879607C7569100 wrote:

You can argue Trump's timing I don't really care, that in itself is motivated solely by hate.

No, the motivation is concern. All you have to do is look at the man's tweets. He truly is unhinged. It's about what's right and how a president should conduct himself.

To deny that the report is not accurate is to deny reality.

I'm not saying there hasn't been killings, there's no denying that. But what tucker and his cohorts are saying is that the scale is greater than it is. That's misleading at best. Further, he's referencing a far left extremist to be the position of the entire Parliament. It's simply false.

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/18 at 08:53:07

Title: Re: White Nationalist Talking Points
Post by T And T Garage on 08/24/18 at 09:02:00

586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:

Further, he's referencing a far left extremist to be the position of the entire Parliament

He absolutely did NOT do that. In fact, I distinctly remember him saying that party controls a third of Parliament.

Well, he's wrong about that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_South_Africa

To be fair, no - he didn't come right out and say that. But he sure didn't cover the fact that Ramaphosa has rejected everything that malema has put forward. As always, context matters.

But consider if the KKK controlled a third of Congress?

Again, he can say what he wants, he's a talk show host. But our president should know better.