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Title: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 07:48:09 False Gods O Lord, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good." - Jeremiah 16:19 We like to call ourselves sophisticated. We trust in scientific theory and read the Wall Street Journal. We subscribe to the theory, se­cretly or not, that mankind has evolved intellectually and that we are far superior to our simple-minded, superstitious ancestors. We smirk when we read how they worshiped man-made gods. Yet we’re on our knees worshiping more subtle, but just as tan­gible, false gods—the "isms" of our day: workaholism, as if the fruit of endless labors will finally bring satisfaction; legalism, as if being good and performing flawlessly will secure peace; intellectualism, as if we could get so smart that we would finally feel fulfilled; and materialism, as if some possession could bring us joy. The first step in the worship of false gods is exchanging truth for lies. "You will not surely die," was the serpent’s lie to Eve in the garden. Cling to the truth. Once it’s discarded, you’ll believe any­thing. The truth of the Bible doesn’t change with our circumstances of life; rather, it defines and weeds out all falsehood. Remember Jesus’ words, "…the truth will set you free." - Steve Arterburn A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. - Sir Winston Churchill Have a GREAT DAY ALL  :)

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by MShipley on 08/24/18 at 08:33:43 The entire Genesis account of the fall of man is about one choice. Do we live by Gods' way or do we make our own way? Man's choice was that he did not need God and was able to make his own way by his own wisdom. The rest is history.....how do you think it is going?

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 10:57:01 677942435A464F532A0 wrote: The entire Genesis account of the fall of man is about one choice. Do we live by Gods' way or do we make our own way? Man's choice was that he did not need God and was able to make his own way by his own wisdom. The rest is history.....how do you think it is going? I think many have lost sight of what it is to forgive. Seems judging others, then justifying our own actions, has caused folks to miss so much about why humans are different.

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by faffi on 08/24/18 at 12:12:14 594A524F4A5C4C2B0 wrote: Seems judging others, then justifying our own actions, has caused folks to miss so much about why humans are different. I am not trying to make a cheap point, but this forum actually confirms that multiple times every day.

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by Serowbot on 08/24/18 at 12:39:21 Different that what?...

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 12:45:04 242324242B420 wrote: [quote author=594A524F4A5C4C2B0 link=1535122089/0#2 date=1535133421] Seems judging others, then justifying our own actions, has caused folks to miss so much about why humans are different. I am not trying to make a cheap point, but this forum actually confirms that multiple times every day. [/quote] The glory of life, creation, our being, is our free will..... Even the one I worship will not force me to his will, even tho I believe he has the ability. Who else can I assign that to? Anyone who visits here, saying they have nothing at stake, I find suspect. But yes, it is true, in a sense, folks don’t know, what they don’t know. And by default, it is their truth. I can’t change that, nor should I, as again, my motivation would be to my own makings. What is it about man, of all the creatures of this earth, seeks a further understanding of his existence? If we are just a ape, why do we care? Where did all these other mitigating factors come from? Why do we cloth ourselves with pride, envy, hate? Why is it only Homo sapiens care about such?

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by Eegore on 08/24/18 at 14:43:51  I don't know, there is a lot of information if one bothers to examine it that we live in the least violent and most productive time in human history.  A human is less likely to die at the hands of another human now than at any other point in history.  Not literally "hands" as in the symmetrically opposing articulate mechanisms attached to the wrist, but by intentional actions by all means. https://slides.ourworldindata.org/war-and-violence/#/5 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/steven-pinker-this-is-historys-most-peaceful-time-new-study-not-so-fast/ https://pintsofhistory.com/2013/09/07/the-least-violent-time-ever-now/

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by Serowbot on 08/24/18 at 15:32:00 We ain't so special...  Dogs, apes, elephants, and many other animals show jealousy, shame, joy, anger, love, pride, envy, humour, grief... I can't even think of an emotion they don't have. We just make more stuff...  :-? Watch this little guy,... it'll make your day... 8-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLrYzY3jVPY [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLrYzY3jVPY[/media]

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by Matchless G11 on 08/24/18 at 15:58:43 There is a difference..... "A ape will reach for a banana and is satisfied. We reach for the stars and we are not satisfied.

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by thumperclone on 08/24/18 at 16:08:31 its good that it works for you ray there's a fella at work in the same AA Jesus boat as you what ever gets you through the night.. hopefully the day wont come to you that you realize your "church" is a sham just another enterprise

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 16:34:50 392538203D283F2E212223284D0 wrote: its good that it works for you ray there's a fella at work in the same AA Jesus boat as you what ever gets you through the night.. hopefully the day wont come to you that you realize your "church" is a sham just another enterprise Well we again see others assigning something that they have no firsthand knowledge of. Of course many shams have been ran under the banner of religion, not much difference than a political party. However, I am my own church with God, as you assign value. I am directed by him, with Jesus as example, and the spirit as my link  ;D I know you don’t understand it, that’s cool, it is crazy for sure... But until you get into my head, heart, and soul, you have no idea, none... It’s just not possible. Judge all believers by those who corrupt the church, same as all the white extremists judging other races, by the acts of a few. That is what is wrong with the world, people assigning to others their own bias and belief because they know they are right  :) Thanks for your well wishes, I appreciate that  ;)

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/24/18 at 16:38:06 WATCH the Godless attack those who understand used to upset me. Now, I understand what they are.

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 17:03:50 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote: WATCH the Godless attack those who understand used to upset me. Now, I understand what they are. But Jog, look at those who understand, attack those who are not saved. Which, as a believer, do you think troubles Jesus more?

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by thumperclone on 08/24/18 at 17:44:56 you assume I am not saved I see through the false what is the definition of CHRISTIANITY?

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 17:54:14 3C203D25382D3A2B2427262D480 wrote: you assume I am not saved I see through the false what is the definition of CHRISTIANITY? A person who has a relationship with Jesus. Assuming, you told me i’m Like a guy you know, is that a guess, or assumption?  ;D

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by thumperclone on 08/24/18 at 18:12:11 in your previous posts you have indicated that you are going through the same rehab as my friend at work no judgment on my part just beware of wolfs in sheep clothing

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/24/18 at 19:36:24 I got sober over 15 years ago, not sure how you got I am actively in rehab? But of course life is always actively trying to improve, hopefully. I hear ya in the sheep, but in the end, if I am fooled, I can live with that, sorta like a better to have loved, and lost, than to not have loved at all.... It’s on them, ya know what I mean? I ain’t no wizard, nor am I going to go through life thinking everyone might be a wolf..... Gives me a nervous tick, and kills my buzz  :D Thanks!

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by Matchless G11 on 08/25/18 at 03:10:44 160A170F120710010E0D0C07620 wrote: you assume I am not saved I see through the false what is the definition of CHRISTIANITY? The good definition is found in the works of GK Chesterton, "Orthodoxy" and "the Everlasting Man" A quick view through the arguments is presented by Lewis in "Mere Christianity" .

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by T And T Garage on 08/25/18 at 05:30:07 I'm sorry to have to bring this up, but how can you, ray, make a post like this after making a terrible remark like you did to me regarding 14 year old girls?  You didn't apologize - in fact, you barely acknowledged you even made it. Keep it real on here, huh?

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by Eegore on 08/25/18 at 06:24:55  Why does it matter what people think or say about any of us on here?  What is the emotional investment about?

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/25/18 at 08:46:00 170906070A170C11630 wrote: I'm sorry to have to bring this up, but how can you, ray, make a post like this after making a terrible remark like you did to me regarding 14 year old girls?  You didn't apologize - in fact, you barely acknowledged you even made it. Keep it real on here, huh? First of all, you are not sorry, why do you even say that? You have a “need” and you want others to satisfy it, we can’t, only you can. I addressed the mentioning of 14 year old girls already, it was just a extension of your remark about Trump tweeting like 14 year old girls, that you gave to another posters challenge of you, I threw it back in your face as the stupid remark it was.... Keep it, your real, eh. You must be honest first, to yourself, or you will always think it’s others, who are lying. The testimony your behavior on this board gives me is that you spend much of your life looking at/for the wrongs of others, blaming them, calling them out, thinking it will change them, and justify you, so I reckon you can then feel all is right in the world. You don’t need anything from me, nothing, agreement, apologies, atta boys, nothing. Go script your own story, your own life, be that CHANGE in your world you wish to see in others. That is the challenge for all of us who like to “argue” with others on the internet  ;D Have a good day TT, make it a winner.

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/25/18 at 08:49:23 0E2E2C24392E4B0 wrote:  Why does it matter what people think or say about any of us on here?  What is the emotional investment about? A great question. I will give my reply later this evening. This “need” is one that has been a great cause of ill in this world, for this weakness has been capitalized on greatly by many.

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by JOEL2014 on 08/25/18 at 09:08:02 We are allowed to judge people by their actions and words. The Word tells us in Matthew 7:20 we will know them by their fruits, and in 2 Timothy 3:1-5 to turn away from these people. How can we recognize the lost if we can't make a judgement call? What Jesus warns us of is HYPOCRITICAL judgements. If we drink Mon-Sat, and tell others in church Sunday that drinking is a sin, then what are we? I'll take "Hypocrites" for 400, Alex.  ;) We are called to love everyone as Christ loves us and everyone, saved or lost, should practice that. Whether we believe in God or not, the world would be a much better place if we all did. God bless!

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by T And T Garage on 08/25/18 at 09:08:59 24372F32372131560 wrote: First of all, you are not sorry, why do you even say that? It's a turn of phrase, nothing more.  It shows my hesitance, because your original post has nothing to do with it. You have a “need” and you want others to satisfy it, we can’t, only you can. I addressed the mentioning of 14 year old girls already, it was just a extension of your remark about Trump tweeting like 14 year old girls, that you gave to another posters challenge of you, I threw it back in your face as the stupid remark it was.... No, you didn't - and anyone reading the CONTEXT of the comment knows exactly what you were insinuating. Keep it, your real, eh. You must be honest first, to yourself, or you will always think it’s others, who are lying. The testimony your behavior on this board gives me is that you spend much of your life looking at/for the wrongs of others, blaming them, calling them out, thinking it will change them, and justify you, so I reckon you can then feel all is right in the world. How can you possibly be that sanctimonious?  Remember ray, I'm not comparing you to a 14 year old girl, I'm comparing our president to one.  It's not clear why you protect him, or feel that need to. It's also not clear why you, in one post can pontificate like a scholar, and then make insinuations like you do.  What happened to the Golden Rule? Since I've been back, I've never called you a name nor insinuated anything about you (until now).   So - why the aggression?  Why the animosity towards someone that has not hurt you in the slightest? You post on here about "overcoming our faults".  I find it funny that you seem to be the one that tries the least to do it. You don’t need anything from me, nothing, agreement, apologies, atta boys, nothing. Go script your own story, your own life, be that CHANGE in your world you wish to see in others. That is the challenge for all of us who like to “argue” with others on the internet  ;D No ray, I'm sorry (there's that turn of phrase again) - you don't get off that easy.  For all the dirt that jog throws around, for the "holier than though" form MShipley and for the less than understandable posts form mn - they, at least, seem to be genuine in their positions.  You ray, don't. So why is that?  You and your friends talk about "drive byes" by Sero, yet your 14 year old girl comment is by far one of the worst.  And what makes it even worse it is that you take no responsibility for it.  No apology. No remorse. It reminds me of the time you posted a pic of your melanoma surgery on your face and "joked" about it - saying you got beat up.  Surprisingly, the first one to respond with genuine concern was Lost - and you led him on by not responding. Maybe before you start posting about the flaws of us all, think about what you've done and how it's affected others.  Take responsibility for your actions.  They have consequences. Have a good day TT, make it a winner. Enough of the condescension.  I don't buy it - and I don't think anyone else does either.

Title: Re: works for me....... Post by raydawg on 08/25/18 at 09:48:17 080D070E030C06050E03061B11620 wrote: We are allowed to judge people by their actions and words. The Word tells us in Matthew 7:20 we will know them by their fruits, and in 2 Timothy 3:1-5 to turn away from these people. How can we recognize the lost if we can't make a judgement call? What Jesus warns us of is HYPOCRITICAL judgements. If we drink Mon-Sat, and tell others in church Sunday that drinking is a sin, then what are we? I'll take "Hypocrites" for 400, Alex.  ;) We are called to love everyone as Christ loves us and everyone, saved or lost, should practice that. Whether we believe in God or not, the world would be a much better place if we all did. God bless! Joel, yes, we need to discern all, but be careful to judge, as we shall be judged accordingly, yikes! It’s a fact, we need to know where to cast the seeds where they stand the greatest chance to sprout and offer the same. We see exampled again, and again, of scripture being taken out of context. We need to be careful that we too, don’t fall prey to the same behavior  :)

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