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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Military war games with N.Korea, are back. /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1535504746 Message started by eau de sauvage on 08/28/18 at 18:05:46 |
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Title: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by eau de sauvage on 08/28/18 at 18:05:46 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/world/asia/military-exercises-korean-peninsula-.html After giving Kim a propaganda coup and sucking up to him and treating the tyrant as an equal deserving of the respect of the US, Trump's supporters who believe anything he says, said that 'well you have to give him a chance'. OK he's had his chance, he's cancelled Pompeo's 4th visit, Kim has called the US as 'acting like gangsters' and now Mattis says 'war games are back on'. In other words, it's business as usual, nothing changed, Kim used Trump and as the US's representative, he made the entire US look like fools. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by WebsterMark on 08/28/18 at 18:27:15 First off, the article you posted did not declare war gams are back. The very title includes the word MAY and not the word WILL yet you titled your post that they were definitely back on. The article correctly catches the intent of Matthis comments which is clearly a negotiating tactic. Using the phrase "no intention at this time to suspend" is purposeful language. We are in a better position now than before with North Korea. There was no propaganda coup. No one watched that event and decided Kim was a good guy. Everyone took a wait and see approach. Maybe the only things that will come out of the summit have already happened; in which case there was no harm done to the US. One symptom of TDS is an inability to see events at their elementary components. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by Eegore on 08/28/18 at 19:23:49 I don't know what's going to happen but I can say that nobody I know that's over there is expecting them to stop for very long. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 08/28/18 at 20:42:59 The moral of the story is this - our president is a liar and terrible negotiator. SK got everything it wanted - now we (as a country) will look like the fool. Wait, no. Now we (as a country) ARE the fool. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by faffi on 08/28/18 at 23:36:50 We could also try and give Trump the benefit of the doubt every now and then and say that meeting with Kim was a bold move with a high risk of failure, but also with big potential benefits. I think Trump is one of a very limited number of leaders that could go through with such a meeting, as they are both, uhm, unusual persons. And I think he should get kudos for trying, despite the risk of it having failed. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by WebsterMark on 08/29/18 at 04:44:33 I agree faffi, this was the kind of move a business would do. It didn't work out, moving on. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by Serowbot on 08/29/18 at 06:05:34 The kind of move a reality show would do... |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by WebsterMark on 08/29/18 at 06:07:58 or the kind of move a President should do. Who knows yet. It's a movie, not a snapshot. Wait until the movie is over. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by faffi on 08/29/18 at 06:11:22 I still think the potential outcome, however slim, was worth it. IF, and I know it is a big if, North-Korea would begin to open their boarders and allowing a flow of people as well as trading with the outside world, and if they would reduce or shut down their nuclear arms testing, that would be huge. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by WebsterMark on 08/29/18 at 06:16:13 We received the remains of some war dead, so that's some relief to a few citizens. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/18 at 07:18:19 I don't see that anything was lost. The end isn't known yet. It's not a stupid thing he did. He can't make Kim not be a jakkass. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 08/29/18 at 07:54:01 675552434455427D51425B300 wrote:
"Moving on"?? Therein lies the problem mark - this isn't about business. This is about nuclear weapons. Again, HUGE difference. Further, it makes the US look weak and/or uncaring. We suspended our war games with nothing on paper. This is a dictator that took advantage of our ill-equipped president. And yet again, I have to say - put a democratic president in this place and the GOPers would be going bonkers. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 08/29/18 at 07:59:51 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
By just saying "it's not a stupid thing" doesn't make it so. Our "wonderful" president walked away with nothing. Nada. Zip. kim got us to suspend our war games, got a photo op with a sitting US president and basically gave trump the finger on his way out. However, it is true that it's not over yet. But given kim's history, do you honestly think he's going to become magnanimous all of a sudden? Yeah... no. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 08/29/18 at 08:02:24 6661666669000 wrote:
I wish I could be as optimistic as you Faffi. But looking at kim's history, do you really think he's going to suddenly become this great statesman? He knowingly lets his people starve. He's ordered people opposing him to be put to death. He's threatened the US directly. You can wish, but I don't see it happening. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/18 at 08:08:55 534D42434E534855270 wrote:
By just saying "it's not a stupid thing" doesn't make it so. Our "wonderful" president walked away with nothing. Nada. Zip. kim got us to suspend our war games, got a photo op with a sitting US president and basically gave trump the finger on his way out. However, it is true that it's not over yet. But given kim's history, do you honestly think he's going to become magnanimous all of a sudden? Yeah... no.[/quote] Why do you want WAR games? It's a bullying tactic. It's threatening. It's liable to start war. No, we lost nothing. And no missile launches since. We gained. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 08/29/18 at 08:30:04 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
By just saying "it's not a stupid thing" doesn't make it so. Our "wonderful" president walked away with nothing. Nada. Zip. kim got us to suspend our war games, got a photo op with a sitting US president and basically gave trump the finger on his way out. However, it is true that it's not over yet. But given kim's history, do you honestly think he's going to become magnanimous all of a sudden? Yeah... no.[/quote] Why do you want WAR games? It's a bullying tactic. It's threatening. It's liable to start war. That's not what war games are at all. It's preparedness training. They happen all over the world, all the time. No, we lost nothing. And no missile launches since. - I think you mean, 'yet'. We gained.- nothing [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by faffi on 08/29/18 at 13:58:51 263837363B263D20520 wrote:
No, I do not have high hopes, but I believe the chance is less than zero. And due that slim chance, I see no harm trying. In fact, I think it makes sense to try. I also think it is important not to automatically condemn everything Trump does, but keep an open mind and judge each thing he does separately, even if one - like me - think the overall ability is severely lacking. Just like I have no respect for people who claim Obama did nothing good whatsoever, I cannot respect people who only look for - and see - Trump's bad sides and give no credit to things he does well. One must be able to see actions and results, not just his, ehm, unusual way of communicating. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 08/29/18 at 14:20:19 2C2B2C2C234A0 wrote:
No, I do not have high hopes, but I believe the chance is less than zero. And due that slim chance, I see no harm trying. In fact, I think it makes sense to try. I agree. But with the posturing that was done and the out and out lies that have been told about what this meeting was going to do. i just don't have much hope. But yeah, there was a chance. Not sure about that now. I also think it is important not to automatically condemn everything Trump does, but keep an open mind and judge each thing he does separately, even if one - like me - think the overall ability is severely lacking. I try, but it's not easy :) . I actually haven't given up completely on the trade agreements. From the start, I've said "let's wait and see". But that's about it. so far - on immigration, the tax breaks, the increased spending have been the leading cause for my continued concern. Not to mention his constant tweeting. While it's no secret that I think the man is vile and doesn't deserve the office, the things I "complain" about are well documented and not only my opinion. Just like I have no respect for people who claim Obama did nothing good whatsoever, I cannot respect people who only look for - and see - Trump's bad sides and give no credit to things he does well. I guess I'm guilty of that - because frankly, I don't see anything to give him credit for that he does well. One must be able to see actions and results, not just his, ehm, unusual way of communicating. [/quote] If you're able to see that, then you must be seeing something I'm not... |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/02/18 at 15:41:05 Meanwhile... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-29/russia-to-hold-its-biggest-war-games-since-fall-of-soviet-union/10176374 https://www.stripes.com/news/joint-war-games-in-russia-build-on-china-s-effort-to-offset-us-military-reach-1.544768 |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by MnSpring on 09/02/18 at 17:33:40 7B656A6B667B607D0F0 wrote:
Let’s see, exactly, WHICH, side of your mouth are you talking out OF ? One side you say, repeatedly, that Trump is a POS, and NO ONE, in ANY Country, respects him or thinks he is nothing but a POS. (And your minions repeat the same) Then, on the OTHER side of your Mouth, you say, that Kim is elevated, because he has ‘photo-oped’ with Trump. So exactly, WHICH side of your mouth are you taking through ????????? |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 09/02/18 at 19:38:14 41625F7C7E65626B0C0 wrote:
Let’s see, exactly, WHICH, side of your mouth are you talking out OF ? I only have one side. One side you say, repeatedly, that Trump is a POS, and NO ONE, in ANY Country, respects him or thinks he is nothing but a POS. (And your minions repeat the same) He is. Thanks for paying attention. Then, on the OTHER side of your Mouth, you say, that Kim is elevated, because he has ‘photo-oped’ with Trump. Yeah, because like it or not, trump is the president of the most powerful country on Earth. So, that's kim's motivation. So exactly, WHICH side of your mouth are you taking through ????????? [/quote] I only have one mn. To be clear - trump is an idiot and not worthy of the office of president, but it seems that people like you and kim love him. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/18 at 23:10:15 t it seems that people like you and kim love him. T R O L L |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 09/03/18 at 10:43:31 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
Yep jog. Name calling always helps. Good going! How very smart of you! |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/18 at 11:27:38 Conflate Americans with the Korean dictator.. And you aren't a troll? No, that is EXACTLY what you are. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by Serowbot on 09/03/18 at 12:47:14 We were going to have war games,.. then we weren't,... then we are again... I'm sure the off again on again cost several million dollars,.. or more... MAGA... :-? |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/18 at 13:22:02 Why? |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 06:07:02 627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:
No, I'm just being honest. trump is at another low point in his presidency. The only ones who thinks he worth anything are kim and his most ardent supporters. Conflate? Not hardly. Your actions on the other hand, well, they lend themselves to troll like behaviour. But yeah, you keep up the name calling. That'll work out great I'm sure. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 09:10:39 372926272A372C31430 wrote:
Say someone, encountered, ‘observed’, a person, who’s skin was Black. Then said: “Your Skin is Black’ That is not name calling, it is purely a statement of fact. So if a person encountered, ‘observed’, posts, of a person that are Troll posts. Then said: “Your a Troll’ That is not name calling, it is purely a statement of fact. |
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Title: Re: Military war games with N.Korea, are back. Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 09:22:52 6C4F725153484F46210 wrote:
Say someone, encountered, ‘observed’, a person, who’s skin was Black. Then said: “Your Skin is Black’ Who in their right mind would say that to someone in the first place mn? I think you're just trying to be silly. That is not name calling, it is purely a statement of fact. Again, why state an obvious fact for no reason. You don't just walk up to someone and tell them the obvious... Well, maybe you do. But that's not normal. So if a person encountered, ‘observed’, posts, of a person that are Troll posts. Then said: “Your a Troll’ That is not name calling, it is purely a statement of fact. No, it's name calling, because I'm not a troll. I'm a human being. Trolls are mythical characters. There are no such things as trolls mn. Don't you know that? Do you believe in other mythical creatures? That actually might explain a lot. Now, I'm not making fun of you, I'm merely asking you. Please, don't become defensive. [/quote] |
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