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Title: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/18 at 04:25:55 Supreme Court hearings start today. Let's watch some of that "genuine" bipartisan John McCain inspired civility & respect shown to Kavanaugh by those Democrats I just spent a week listening to...... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 05:52:53 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
Well, at least Kavanaugh gets a hearing. Remember what mitch the turtle did to Garland? Sorry about the whataboutism, but worth mentioning. As to the bipartisanship of the hearing, I can guarantee that it will be tough but fair. As it should be. This guy Kavanaugh is no saint. Look at some of his rulings. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/18 at 06:04:58 tough but fair. I'd take a bet on that. This guy Kavanaugh is no saint. Look at some of his rulings. Neither was McCain but he was lauded as a Saint. As far as Garland, elections have consequences. If the Dems had controlled the Senate, they'd have gotten hearings. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 06:12:13 7F4D4A5B5C4D5A65495A43280 wrote:
Yeah, and that's fair? Please.... That had never happened before the repubs rewrote the rule. But whatever. At the moment, there is no following the Constitution. The GOPers are running the show as they see fit. Karma's a b!tch though. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/18 at 07:26:05 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/04/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-interrupted-by-democratic-senators-protests.html Boy do I hate being right all the time. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 07:48:26 0E3C3B2A2D3C2B14382B32590 wrote:
Yep. Karma. I love it. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 08:39:48 352B242528352E33410 wrote:
WOW, a bunch of people, dressed in Suits and Skirts, Are acting, JUST like, ANTIFA, and BLM. Showing the world, they have freedom of speech, but NO ONE ELSE does ! And tt, says, ‘Karma’. (In a Announcer Voice) This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc. Sponsored by Ttlosteds, the proud makers of, Spin-O-Rama, the new lubricant, that makes, Everything Spin Better ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 09:00:20 5E7D4063617A7D74130 wrote:
WOW, a bunch of people, dressed in Suits and Skirts, Are acting, JUST like, ANTIFA, and BLM. Showing the world, they have freedom of speech, but NO ONE ELSE does ! How do you figure that? That's not even close to an explanation. This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about people being sick and tired of the GOPers making their own rules. But please, enlighten us all as to how "no one else" has freedom of speech. And tt, says, ‘Karma’. (In a Announcer Voice) This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc. Sponsored by Ttlosteds, the proud makers of, Spin-O-Rama, the new lubricant, that makes, Everything Spin Better ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Yes mn, karma. You see, when the GOPers blocked Garland, it was unfounded and unprecedented. They just flat out refused to start the hearing process. Actions, like elections, have consequences. Vis-à-vis - karma. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/18 at 10:03:47 since I work out of my home and I'm not traveling today, I sat down for a minute to watch the spectacle. It was just in time to hear Ted Cruz opening statement. He made a very good point, the papers that the Democrats are demanding to see during Cavanaugh's time as secretary in the White House are meaningless because all that position does is correlate the documents. They do not add any commentary or opinions. Kavanaugh authored absolutely nothing on these documents. The only reason to call for these documents is to delay the confirmation until after the election. That's all. Or, as Cruz pointed out, it would also be a wealth of information to go back and further evaluate the presidency of George Bush. and the only real value in doing that is to further use that information against Trump in 2020. The point is this spectacle is really only about two things and everybody knows it. One, delay until after the election and hope the Democrats win back the Senate in which case they would reject the nomination. secondly, as usual this is about the Democrats absolute rock that they stand on in national elections, which is the right of women to killed their unborn babies if they consider those children be an inconvenience. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 10:14:17 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
LOL - yeah, that's all we dems care about.....smh.. Then I guess all the republicans care about is not sticking to any principal they espouse.. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 11:59:47 140A050409140F12600 wrote:
...shm... What does Simple Harmonic Motion, (a concept in physics), have to do with this subject ? (In a Announcer Voice) This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc. Sponsored by Ttlosteds, the proud makers of, ‘Lieospin’, the New way, to make everything you say, sound like it is correct. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 12:23:54 1F3C0122203B3C35520 wrote:
...shm... What does Simple Harmonic Motion, (a concept in physics), have to do with this subject ? Nothing. But I see that I made a typo. What I meant to put was "smh" (I've corrected it just for you). To make it clear to you, in internet vernacular, SMH means "shake my head" - as in disbelief or out and out frustration. You see mn, I was being sarcastic with the notion that "all dems want is legal abortion". Now, everyone (but you apparently) knows that's just not true. Therefore, I used the "smh" acronym to display my frustration at the comment. My sincerest apologies though - I should have indicated that my comment was meant in sarcasm. I'll try to do better. Bless your heart. (In a Announcer Voice) This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc. Sponsored by Ttlosteds, the proud makers of, ‘Lieospin’, the New way, to make everything you say, sound like it is correct. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 13:11:36 584649484558435E2C0 wrote:
OMG, you made a Mistake ? (shhhhh, don’t tell anybody) “…To make it clear to you, in internet vernacular, SMH means “shake my head”…” Not in all cases. Many people believe SMH, means, ‘Shave My Head’, to which I ask, why do you always Shave Your Head ? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 13:17:07 11320F2C2E35323B5C0 wrote:
OMG, you made a Mistake ? (shhhhh, don’t tell anybody) “…To make it clear to you, in internet vernacular, SMH means “shake my head”…” Not in all cases. Many people believe SMH, means, ‘Shave My Head’, to which I ask, why do you always Shave Your Head ? [/quote] Well, in this case mn, it means "shake my head". But bless your heart for trying to make it seem otherwise. Just so you know - anytime that I use "smh" - it will mean "shake my head". OK? I'd hate for you to be confused. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 13:23:24 524C43424F524954260 wrote:
Well, that's what you, in this case, meant. Why did you mean, 'Shave My Head, in the other cases ? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 13:25:34 15360B282A31363F580 wrote:
Well, that's what you, in this case, meant. Why did you mean, 'Shave My Head, in the other cases ?[/quote] I didn't. You assumed that. You know what happens when you assume, don't you? Oh, bless your heart mn. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 13:34:44 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
Is this the 4th or the 5th time you have said: "...bless your heart..." So are you Lying, when you say you are, ‘Agnostic’ ? Or are you Lying, when giving a, 'blessing' ? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 13:36:53 51724F6C6E75727B1C0 wrote:
Is this the 4th or the 5th time you have said: "...bless your heart..." So are you Lying, when you say you are, ‘Agnostic’ ? Or are you Lying, when giving a, 'blessing' ?[/quote] Once again, you're beginning to hijack a thread. Out of respect to the OP, I will not be responding to you regarding your concern for my "blessing". But seriously, bless your heart mn. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 13:42:07 405E51505D405B46340 wrote:
Just can't answer can you! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/18 at 14:14:44 I caught his opening statement. He's a fine man. He'll be confirmed. The rest of the show this week is just Democrats grandstanding. Republicans would do the same but I don't recall when a Democratic judge is up for nomination, the ruckus in the room is so bad the nominee's kids have to be escorted out. But this is who today's Democrats are. Angry, hateful, mean..... Honestly, let's just cancel these 'hearings' and have a vote. Can't the Senate advise and consent via email?.... or Twitter! |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 14:22:08 4A787F6E69786F507C6F761D0 wrote:
Well, if the republicans had been fair to Garland, maybe this wouldn't be happening. I hope they block him. We don't need a Supreme Court Justice that would basically allow the president blanket immunity. IMHO |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/18 at 04:52:25 Wouldn't have made any difference. They'd still be acting like childish idiots. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/18 at 05:04:45 .....and speaking of that, don't we have the Dems to blame for this whole mess to begin with? Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy started this whole attacking Supreme Court nominees with Bork. Then, The Master of Disaster, Harry Reid, used their short lived Senate majority to change to simple majority vote, the nuclear option it was called. Other than getting beat up for not paying a gambling debt (I'm using Bob Woodward style of 'journalism' meaning I can write whatever I hear and call it truth) that's the only valuable thing Reid did.... It all but guarantees two perhaps four good justices on the court if the good guys hold the senate. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/18 at 05:40:59 5E6C6B7A7D6C7B44687B62090 wrote:
"Good guys"? Therein lies the problem. If you base your good and bad purely on party - well, don't expect good results. I personally would have voted for Kasich of hillary had he won the nomination. I'm no fan of most republicans, but I'm also not a fan of most establishment dems either. A sea change is on the way. I'm hoping that the midterms bring in a wave of progressives and force a change of the republicans to swing towards the middle. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/18 at 05:59:13 If you base your good and bad purely on party A good side road to go down. Why stick with party vs person? Well, for one thing, party ideology is slower to change. On the whole, I think change should be a long, slow agonizing process. Otherwise, you easily fall into the shinny nickel trap where you chase flashy ideas with no substance behind them. Conservative ideology and liberal ideology are pretty clearly defined for most major issues. Smaller government vs larger government, personal responsibility vs corporate responsibility, pro-life vs pro-choice. Since McCain's a hot topic now, the idea of him being President with a Democratic Vice President was ridiculous. The VP is already something of a figurehead as it is now. Having one from the opposite party would further relegate him to attending funerals and more useless committees designed to keep him busy like Gore's 'reinvent government' debacle. Also, following ideology vs person helps decide key issues that are more in the grey area. I'm against the death penalty in ALL circumstances. I don't believe the State has the right to take someone's life just like I don't believe a woman has the right to kill her unborn baby. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/18 at 07:53:47 0A383F2E29382F103C2F365D0 wrote:
Then your party is not of your view. The conservatives support a death penalty. This is what I'm talking about. There are things about the democrats that I don't support - most of it's on the establishment side. However, there are some things that I support on the conservative side - balancing the budget, means testing for welfare, common core, and a few other things (but on a more limited basis that their official position). As I said, I would have voted for Kasich over hillary in a heartbeat. I was never a "Bernie or bust" guy either. I have never - and will never - vote straight ticket. I take my time in the booth and do my research ahead of time. I voted for rauner for governor (my mistake admittedly), and have in the past voted for a republican alderman. IMHO to voting party over policy is why we are so divided as a country today. No one party is 100% right. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by LostArtist on 09/05/18 at 10:06:29 webster, again, partisan hack... why bother talk to him, just look at the party line and that's what webster believes... another cookie cutter republican.. useless |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/18 at 10:51:02 cookie cutter? Did I not just go against a key policy of the Republican platform? Did you read that? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by verslagen1 on 09/05/18 at 11:40:57 5A444B4A475A415C2E0 wrote:
You know as much as anybody it was more fair or merciful that they didn't put him thru the republican version of this circus just to vote him down. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/18 at 12:21:13 485B4C4D525F595B500F3E0 wrote:
You know as much as anybody it was more fair or merciful that they didn't put him thru the republican version of this circus just to vote him down.[/quote] Actually, Garland was a republican's dream comparatively. He was as conservative a choice that Obama could make. I wasn't actually in favor of Garland as a pick - but what the GOPers did was unprecedented - that's what makes the current protest of brett justifiable. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by verslagen1 on 09/05/18 at 12:44:59 574946474A574C51230 wrote:
8 vs 26 isn't quite unprecedented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_nominated_to_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States_in_the_last_year_of_a_presidency |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/18 at 13:42:55 6C7F6869767B7D7F742B1A0 wrote:
8 vs 26 isn't quite unprecedented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_nominated_to_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States_in_the_last_year_of_a_presidency[/quote] LOL - ok vers... Having to go back to Hayes to cite precedent, nice try. But even in that case Matthews still got appointed by Garfield. Yeah, sorry. The GOPers that refused to hear Garland have no legs to stand on. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by verslagen1 on 09/05/18 at 15:41:18 You know that was 8 confirmed vs 26 nominated doncha? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/18 at 18:33:27 504354554A4741434817260 wrote:
Yep - but how many didn't even get a vote? That's the stat I'm referring to. That's what the GOPers did to Garland. But I'm your huckleberry.... So I hereby stand corrected - nearly unprecedented in the history of the US. BUT - Unprecedented in this century. |
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