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Title: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 10:17:56 Good to see some karma in play. http://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-scrambles-host-conference-khashoggi-fallout-151418681.html Yet, trump's still gonna do an arms deal... SMH |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/22/18 at 11:11:55 Is it a brutal regime? Yeah.. It's not a democratic republic. They BEHEAD PEEPULL. You Don't go criticizing the big dogs and expect to be treated like an American IN America. Not every country operates from a Human life is Precious Start point. Who are you to judge? Where is the inclusiveness? |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/22/18 at 11:22:03 Where was the outrage? A poor woman doesn't deserve the same caring? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/flashback-abused-maid-is-beheaded-in-the-street-in-saudi-arabia-not-a-peep-from-us-liberals-video/ In the street.. Hack her head off. And for what? |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 11:46:45 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
Was that maid a permanent resident of the US? No? Just move on if you can't, or just plain refuse to see the difference. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 11:47:54 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
Where's your common sense? We should be deailing weapons to these people?? Really???? And you b!tch about Libya??? |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/22/18 at 12:22:46 In a world of my design we would own Saudi Arabia and their oil. In the meantime, they are important to the maintenance of the value of your dollar. And an important ally. I don't agree with what they did. The guy even told his GF who to call if he Didn't come back. He knew he had offended some people. I hear arrests have been made. Again Not everyone has the same mindset of America. I don't remember Gadhaffi being accused of anything like this. We DESTROYED a civilization AND opened the floodgates to Europe. That you are unable to grasp the enormity of that is not surprising. People are dying every DAY because of that. But, Obama, Commander in Chief Was powerless to stop it. He LIED TO AMERICA to generate support for a murderous atrocity, and lefties CHEERED and called me racist because I didn't agree. The Yemeni engagement by the Saudis is something I don't understand. No idea WHY that is going on. Odds are, it's indefensible. Just like our destruction of Libya. And Iraq, And the Vietnam war, I don't KNOW of any war we had to be in after WWII. WTF are we doing in Afghanistan? Why can't we win and come home? Funny how the opium crop is doing so well after the Eevil Taliban had it at record lows And We have an opioid crisis.. Hmmm... |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by MShipley on 10/23/18 at 07:52:34 Who do you want to be friends with in the Middle East? Or do you just want to leave and have NO presence there. We will just let Israel die. The Saudis are brutal. but they are MOVING toward a more free society. Turkey is moving toward Sharia. Just a thought here???? Maybe Turkey killed him so that the Saudis would get blamed and the liberals would freak out and call for a new Saudi leader and that leader would lean more toward Sharia and consolidate the Arabs against everyone else. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/23/18 at 08:46:22 5C427978617D7468110 wrote:
Huh? Are you serious?? Have you ignored the coverage of this?? The saudi consulate had a body double! Their story has changed 5 different times! They killed him. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by MShipley on 10/24/18 at 09:58:48 TT says: As far as Israel is concerned, I couldn't care less. I'm not a zionist. I don't believe that we need to fulfill some prophecy for the coming rapture. It has nothing to do with being a Zionist or the biblical rapture. Israel is our friend and ally. If we did not support the more moderate Middle East countries and pulled out of the Middle East they would not last a month. Would all that death matter? |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/18 at 10:16:57 Israel is our friend and ally. So we've been told. U.S.S. Liberty? They tried to get us in a war. Or, another war? How much of our blood and treasure spilled in the M.E. benefits America? Who does it benefit? Are we conquering Israel's enemies? IDK, but I do know their lobby is way too powerful. I also don't agree that we have some biblically ordained responsible to protect Israel. Not because I don't believe the bible, but because I don't believe Israel is the Israel of the bible, AS IT IS TODAY. From what I read some years ago, they are imposters. Not everyone, but the top dogs. Sure, regular Jewish people also live there, but the foundation of it was created out of need. It's been almost twenty years, details escape me, I decided what I believed and nothing has caused me to rethink it. We have elected officials who sure seem to put Israel first. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/24/18 at 10:25:24 1F013A3B223E372B520 wrote:
The fact is, Israel is far from innocent. Again - why is Israel so important to the US? The conflict there has been going on for forever. "Peace in the Middle East" has almost become a joke. Why does the US seem to overlook the attacks and bombings from Israel and concentrate only on the Palestinian attacks? Now with the US Embassy in Jerusalem, things are sure to get worse. The trump administration is basically taking only one side. We've lost our credibility and have sided with the thugs. You don't believe me? Just look at what's been happening with the Saudis - you even think there's a possibility that they're innocent of killing Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi. Im my opinion, you're being duped by the bad guys. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by MShipley on 10/24/18 at 10:43:48 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
I do not disagree with your assessment and by the way I never stated we have a Biblical obligation whether I believe that we do or not. TT brought that up. Unfortunately this issue has as usual been politicized to somehow condemn Trump because that supersedes all reality. The Middle East is a VERY volatile place in the world. Always has been, probably always will be until it is turned to glass. (PS I am not advocating that). Whether it is Trump, Obama, Bush or any future President the USA will always be walking on egg shells when dealing with them. And you know what? Sometimes the most prudent thing to do is keep your mouth shut and wait. Like I said we politicize everything (like Halloween costumes). To some the opportunity to bash the President supersedes American interest. If everyone has not noticed it is a cruel ugly world out there. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by MShipley on 10/24/18 at 10:53:40 TT said...In my opinion, you're being duped by the bad guys. Well if Israel and Saudi Arabia are the bad guys in the Middle East then whom do you think are the good guys in the Middle East? Let me qualify that. Whom that has any stature or influence in the Middle East are the good guys. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/24/18 at 11:41:23 071922233A262F334A0 wrote:
It's about the money Lebowski... The "good guys" are whomever we deem fit. Since around 1900... Coincidently, they are also the ones that have the oil and that we trade with. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by MShipley on 10/24/18 at 11:49:31 293738393429322F5D0 wrote:
It's about the money Lebowski... The "good guys" are whomever we deem fit. Since around 1900... Coincidently, they are also the ones that have the oil and that we trade with. [/quote] You didn't answer my question! Of course it is about the money? |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/24/18 at 11:58:42 0A142F2E372B223E470 wrote:
There are none that we need to concern ourselves with. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/18 at 12:23:57 But Trump should cease to do business with Saudi Arabia. |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by MShipley on 10/24/18 at 12:26:45 4E505F5E534E55483A0 wrote:
There are none that we need to concern ourselves with. [/quote] So if the Middle East and everyone in it goes to war and millions die it is not our concern? Yet you have concern for 1 man? :-/ |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/24/18 at 12:51:05 1B053E3F263A332F560 wrote:
There are none that we need to concern ourselves with. [/quote] So if the Middle East and everyone in it goes to war and millions die it is not our concern? Yet you have concern for 1 man? :-/ [/quote] Millions have already died in the name of oil, money and Allah. You think us trying to bring "democracy" to them is somehow going to save them all? C'mon.... |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by MShipley on 10/24/18 at 13:35:27 372926272A372C31430 wrote:
There are none that we need to concern ourselves with. [/quote] So if the Middle East and everyone in it goes to war and millions die it is not our concern? Yet you have concern for 1 man? :-/ [/quote] Millions have already died in the name of oil, money and Allah. You think us trying to bring "democracy" to them is somehow going to save them all? C'mon.... [/quote] Millions have died. So what? Do you want there to be more? No I don't think we will ever bring Democracy to that region. However we can use our influence wisely in that area to try to prevent millions of innocent people from dying. Why should I believe that you are so concerned about one man when you don't have concern for millions? Would it be because the one supports your political narrative? |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by T And T Garage on 10/24/18 at 14:54:11 2D330809100C0519600 wrote:
No, it's because that one man was a permanent resident of the US. He was a thorn in the side of the saudi royalty (and the other oil oligarchs) and was killed for that reason. Now, if you want to talk about the middle easterners killing Americans or those like Khashoggi, I'll have the same stance. What they do to their own should definitely be scrutinized - they are a major influencer in the world. But when I see those in power here excusing them for no other reason than money - it makes me sick. So, to think that there are "humanitarian" reasons we're in the Middle East is kind of funny. We all know exactly why we're there. Let's not sugar coat it. BTW, remember who hired the 9/11 crew...... |
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Title: Re: From MBS To NFG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/18 at 15:06:02 Let's see, cut off Saudi Arabia, bring the troops home, stop selling to them, stop buying from them, And, looks like we may have to tell China to get lost.. You're not talking about Money You're taking about the ECONOMIES of Nations. Great ethical standards, but, life is messy and reality isn't always nice. Buck up. https://needtoknow.news/2018/10/former-interpol-president-meng-hongweis-wife-believes-dead-following-arrest-chinese-officials/ https://needtoknow.news/2018/10/former-interpol-president-meng-hongweis-wife-believes-dead-following-arrest-chinese-officials/ |
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