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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Middle Income Tax Break /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1540250081 Message started by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 16:14:41 |
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Title: Middle Income Tax Break Post by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 16:14:41 So, our president says he's going to cut "middle income people's" taxes by 10%. "We're putting in a resolution sometime in the next week or week-and-a-half, two weeks," trump said. "We won't have time to do the vote" before the election, Trump told reporters. "We'll do the vote after the election." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Wait - I've seen this tactic before... When my buddy Jimmy in grade school ran for class president - he promised everyone chocolate pudding for dessert at every lunch time!! I wonder what ever happened to Jimmy - I never got my dessert.... ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/22/18 at 16:39:07 He's kept more promises than any other. |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by LostArtist on 10/22/18 at 18:39:29 the new tax cut includes an additional tax cut for the rich.... just what I've heard so far, peanuts for the middle class, the rich get the lion's share, to hell with us little people, as always.... |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 19:09:23 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
Not hard to keep promises that say you'll just reverse everything the previous administration did by executive order. It's like promising to breath... |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 19:13:32 http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/might-trumps-boldest-lie-yet-210637690.html |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/22/18 at 19:18:52 150B040508150E13610 wrote:
Not hard to keep promises that say you'll just reverse everything the previous administration did by executive order. It's like promising to breath...[/quote] Wadda load. Utter nonsense |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by T And T Garage on 10/22/18 at 19:30:30 66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
Not hard to keep promises that say you'll just reverse everything the previous administration did by executive order. It's like promising to breath...[/quote] Wadda load. Utter nonsense [/quote] Oh? You think? The list - trump - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/ Obama - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/ |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by WebsterMark on 10/23/18 at 04:52:19 The CEO of my company agrees with this article, a section of which I pasted below. He never talks social politics which leads us to believe he leans strongly to the left. But he's a smart man whose lead our company to the top in our industry. He knows how to read the business landscape. Competitiveness: It might not make a lot of mainstream newspapers, so let us inform you: The World Economic Forum just ranked the U.S. as the world's most competitive economy for the first time since 2008. A lot has happened since then, but mostly the U.S.' No. 1 ranking is a result of the surprise election of Donald Trump. It's also yet another bit of evidence for why policies truly matter. The last time the U.S. stood atop the WEF global ranking of 140-plus countries, President Obama had just been elected. But he had yet to sign the growth-killing Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare bills, or a wasteful "stimulus" of nearly $1 trillion. For the next eight years, the U.S.' competitiveness ranking slid, pretty much until Trump was elected and reversed the slide with tax cuts, deregulation and trade renegotiations that pushed U.S. GDP growth roughly 50% higher than it was under Obama. It was a stark admission by the global group, which includes many of the world's left-leaning elite and superwealthy CEOs and entrepreneurs, of the strides made under Trump. For the record, the U.S. ranked as low as seventh place but got no higher than No. 3 under Obama. |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by Eegore on 10/23/18 at 06:49:07 Its obvious that the economy is growing and US competitiveness is higher. What I wonder about is if we had practices that crippled an economy, then created a method to protect against it, then how do we prevent another crippling event by removing all the protections that were implemented? Its like adding speed limits and guard rails to a mountain road, then taking them all off and expecting everyone to just be safe. |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by T And T Garage on 10/23/18 at 08:20:45 426260687562070 wrote:
That's a great point Eegore. Saving a company like GM was a must. The stimulus was needed. Yes, it cost a ton, but look what happened to the deficit in 4 years. There is credit to deregulation. However, there is also credit to checks and balances. The financial crash of 2008 was because the banks weren't held in check. They sold crappy loans to unqualified customers and then sold that debt off - knowing it was a bad deal. We can't let predatory lending and cheap money drive our banks down that same road. Dodd-Frank has had parts of it repealed - for better or worse. If we let capitalism run rampant, the same exact thing will happen as it did in late 2007 (IMHO). |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by WebsterMark on 10/23/18 at 09:21:46 Its like adding speed limits and guard rails to a mountain road, then taking them all off and expecting everyone to just be safe. Amazingly, this country grew like it did without guard rails or at least limited guard rails. There is such a thing as the invisible hand of economics. All of us are among the smartest, most educated economist in the world. We make decisions and navigate our way through what’s really an amazingly complicated yet decidedly simple maze every single day. It’s impossible to accumulate enough facts to determine what’s best and then steer everyone else’s hand, but we seem to keep trying. Is there a place for guard rails? Sure. Have we overdone it? I think so. At some point, each of us have to be responsible to educate ourselves how to navigate that maze and just as importantly, how to help others in our families to navigate that maze. I don’t know why we are in need of government to regulate seemingly every facet of our day to day lives. |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by LostArtist on 10/23/18 at 11:18:35 and while we grew, we had slavery, child labor, crazy pollution, poison products, etc... so while I can be convinced that some regulations are too burdensome, let's not throw them all away just cause!!! okay? |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by WebsterMark on 10/23/18 at 11:19:39 Whose throwing them all away? Who is calling for child labor, for slavery, crazy pollution, poison products?.... No one. |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by LostArtist on 10/23/18 at 16:00:17 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:
well, that's good to hear, cause all the anti-regulation rhetoric and the destruction of the EPA, Education departments over the last 2 years and the rollback of financial regulations... I just assumed you all were going to just rollback everything to get back to whenever it was that you thought America was Great, so, what's the base level of regulation you are comfortable with? |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by MnSpring on 10/23/18 at 16:41:53 425C53525F425944360 wrote:
YEA, So Have I. 'Ya Gotta Pass it to see what's in it' 'You can Keep you Doctor' 'Premiums will go down' |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by T And T Garage on 10/23/18 at 16:56:31 1C3F022123383F36510 wrote:
YEA, So Have I. 'Ya Gotta Pass it to see what's in it' 'You can Keep you Doctor' 'Premiums will go down'[/quote] *yawn* |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by LostArtist on 10/23/18 at 17:53:49 082B1635372C2B22450 wrote:
YEA, So Have I. 'Ya Gotta Pass it to see what's in it' 'You can Keep you Doctor' 'Premiums will go down'[/quote] wait, you took all those literally????? tsk, tsk, tsk.... |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/23/18 at 19:30:58 They were lies. Big ones |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by LostArtist on 10/23/18 at 21:31:15 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
so "small" lies aren't just as much a sin? and "ya gotta pass it to see what's in it" isn't actually a lie, that's a process problem, amendments to a bill can be added at any time while they are debating and forming it, so until it's actually passed, it's an ever changing thing and the other two, well, Obama was speaking for someone else, he was speaking for the insurance companies that then screwed us. oh, and I did keep my doctor and if you ever believed premiums would go down,..... well..... and hasn't Trump and the GOP all said "we'll repeal and replace" and yet...... all liars too are those lies really that big, compared to lies designed to turn us against each other, turning us into hating immigrants, so much that we rip their families apart and justify it, "oh they broke the law...." , to twist a peaceful protest about justice for black lives into an anti-American demagoguery, lies that turn protests into mobs.... |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/23/18 at 22:51:59 much that we rip their families apart and justify it, "oh they broke the law...." Hey, dumbass, parents go to jail in America EVERY FUKKING DAY. |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by WebsterMark on 10/24/18 at 05:54:54 5E7D61665360667B6166120 wrote:
well, that's good to hear, cause all the anti-regulation rhetoric and the destruction of the EPA, Education departments over the last 2 years and the rollback of financial regulations... I just assumed you all were going to just rollback everything to get back to whenever it was that you thought America was Great, so, what's the base level of regulation you are comfortable with? [/quote] It's like porn, I'll know it when I see it! There's no way to define that specifically unless you're addressing a particular topic. Let's take helmet laws. I've never ridden without a helmet on the dirt or street. Had to many dirt bike crashes to know anything can happen in a blink of an eye. (I almost got hit by a turkey one time, no kidding) But, I'm against helmet laws for those over a certain age. If it were up to me, I'd say 25 but that's just me. So there's an example of a base level of regulation. Guns is another great example. Trying to define an assault rifle by listing accessories that make it look scary is an example of over reach because with each alteration, it requires more regulations to address. I think the current regulations on automatic weapons is fine. No automatic weapon has ever been used in a crime as far as I can remember. The steps in place limit ownership to those who clearly show a desire to own an automatic weapon that is not dangerous to the population. It's expensive and comes with a pretty intense background check, at least that's what I've been told. I tend to believe that's true since they aren't used in crimes. |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by LostArtist on 10/24/18 at 19:09:57 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
not for what equates to jaywalking |
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Title: Re: Middle Income Tax Break Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/18 at 20:16:54 If they stopped in your house, it's breaking and entering. Or should we just forget the border and welcome everyone who can get in? It's okay, say it. I already know what you want. And you want to commit suicide by generosity. Just not YOUR money. Not Your destroyed job market. Not Your overburdened social safety nets. You're delusional. |
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