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Title: Militarizing the border... Post by Serowbot on 11/02/18 at 09:42:45 Trump is sending 5 to 15 thousand troops to the border,... just days before the election... The caravan of immigrants are still a thousand miles away,... it will be weeks before they get to the border,... and even then, only about 20% usually make it. That will be an estimated 1400 people, many of them women and children. And,... it's perfectly legal, and Constitutionally protected for them to come and apply for asylum. Do we really need 15,000 troops to handle this?... At the same time, just days before the election, he starts up with this attack on the 14th amendment... If you can't see that he's stoking his base racist fears, you have to be blind. MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN... :-? Fear the brown people... vote orange... |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by T And T Garage on 11/02/18 at 10:03:25 5640574A52474A51250 wrote:
Sadly astute Sero. The republican base is motivated by fear. Fear of the non-white, the non-Christian, the non-heterosexual, etc. This is why bill-o had such great ratings on fox... of course, the audience was all over 60.... Like I said in a previous post. The country as a whole can see right through trump's antics. They see how toxic he is as president. How volatile he is and how that puts our country at risk. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by WebsterMark on 11/02/18 at 10:21:32 I completely support sending the military to dissuade this caravan and any others who think by joining with a group large enough to shove down fences and stream into the country, you get to be a citizen. That's a ridiculous policy and no politician of any party should support that. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by Eegore on 11/02/18 at 11:04:00 Given the efficiency of the government that I have witnessed in this matter I would take the extra troops as soon as I could. The more time to prepare the better. I'm not saying this isn't a political move, I'm just saying giving 3 government agencies a month to figure out how to work together is a good idea. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by LostArtist on 11/02/18 at 12:51:16 How about we send 10000 Imigration court judges and their staff for this little thing us AMERICANS call DUE PROCESS |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/02/18 at 12:58:51 Non Americans can't have more constitutional rights than the unborn. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by verslagen1 on 11/02/18 at 13:19:23 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
The new immigration judge... http://https://i.pinimg.com/236x/34/0c/11/340c1109d350cf3c21185e3696148179--judge-dredd-comic-covers.jpg |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/02/18 at 15:50:17 Remove your fences and doors. Everyone has as much right to your property as you. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/02/18 at 19:02:39 This is nothing but using the military as a political marketing tool. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/02/18 at 23:04:51 They have no right to entrance. It's a BORDER,which miss to be defended. Mexico Offered to give them shelter. If they want to be given the protection of, dammitt, the word escapes me, they are obligated to apply for it in the first place after they leave the place where they are being wronged. It's not the first time the military has been used to protect the border. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by MnSpring on 11/03/18 at 07:07:39 415E585F42457444744C5E52192B0 wrote:
Yep, the UL, Socialistic Progressives, Conveniently forget about that. It’s ALL, ‘Your back yard not mine’. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/04/18 at 01:50:04 JoG and Mn, Ironic that you are both so 'it's a border, it's mine',our land is inviolable and all that bullsh!t, because you only need to cast your mind back to the US invasion of Iraq, on a completely bullsh!t excuse. Where was the sanctity of their borders. And its a double irony because you made America less safe by empowering Iran. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by thumperclone on 11/04/18 at 07:11:24 2E3137302D2A1B2B1B23313D76440 wrote:
like Libya? |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by MnSpring on 11/04/18 at 07:56:16 20322625323436530 wrote:
And Who Invaded, and Why ? And its a double irony because you made America less safe by empowering Iran. So the 400 Million, to, empower Iran, you say should not have been done ? (Did you check with tt before you said that?) So then what do you think of the. 80 BILLION, given to the Auto makers, Which cost (well not you), but the US taxpayers 10 BILLION. in loss of not paying back. And the 180 BILLION given to banks, (AGI like). Which was a, Gift, ! Especially considering Australia is so much more, 'Civilized' than the USA in that regard. https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2016/02/12/government-waste-australia-ridiculous/ |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/04/18 at 11:55:21 :-X 2438253D203522333C3F3E35500 wrote:
like Libya?[/quote] WTF are you talking about? |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by WebsterMark on 11/04/18 at 13:02:46 If you clowns see border security as a racist issue, it's you with the problem, not me. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/04/18 at 14:22:18 033136272031261935263F540 wrote:
The issue is 'due process' not border security which you already have. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/04/18 at 15:26:39 Non citizens HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by WebsterMark on 11/04/18 at 19:17:42 53415556414745200 wrote:
The issue is 'due process' not border security which you already have. [/quote] We have millions of ILLEGAL aliens now so tell me again how we have border security? And half the leftist on this forum didn't give a crap about due process a few weeks ago.... |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/04/18 at 20:20:57 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
Humans have human rights. What about the rights of the Iraqis to not be murdered by the USA even though it was the Saudis who crappity smacked you over and now you kiss their arse. BTW JoG I've been meaning to ask you, what shoe size does Webster Mark take? |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/04/18 at 23:03:06 I advocated for destroying Iraq? WTF are you talking about? So you Agree that immigrants trying to gain access to America actually have no constitutional rights? And now you're moving the goalposts? |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/04/18 at 23:42:50 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
I didn't say you advocated for destroying Iraq. You are such a dumbass |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/04/18 at 23:46:51 Yeah, I'm a dumbass. I pointed out that only Americans have constitutional rights, you decided that Now it's about human rights and you tossed in Iraq being bombed... And because I don't follow, I'm the dumbass. Phhht.. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/05/18 at 01:06:15 6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 wrote:
You see this is why your an ugly nasty racist like Trump. Oh it's such a big deal a few thousand illegal immigrants or people looking for asylum, as if it's not like that everywhere in the whole crappity smacking world. It's a complete beat up engineered by trump to allow racists like yourself the chance to feel good about your ugliness. This is so fcuking important. Borders are so precious to you yet y'all couldn't give a rats arse when it comes to invading other people's borders, and you make this an issue about the illegals being dangerous but ironically by invading another country illegally and killing hundreds of thousands including your own sons and daughters in the military, you actually make your fearful selves less safe, and to cap it off the people who attack you are people you suck up to and sell weapons too. You reap what you sow moron. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/18 at 02:01:44 so fcuking important. Borders are so precious to you yet y'all couldn't give a rats arse when it comes to invading other people's borders, and you make this an issue about the illegals being dangerous but ironically by invading another country illegally and killing hundreds of thousands including your own sons and daughters in the mili You lying sackofshitt. I'm EXACTLY the One who has raised hell about our military ventures. And stopping the illegal immigrants from invading STILL matters. The color of the skin isn't an issue. It's that they have no right to force their way into America. How is your position NOT a call for open borders? |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by MnSpring on 11/05/18 at 08:19:02 4F5D494A5D5B593C0 wrote:
So, again, exactly HOW does Australia, deal with asylum-seekers ? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-asylum/australia-says-hundreds-likely-to-languish-in-pacific-camps-idUSKBN1I80LP “…Australia has long exiled asylum seekers on the remote island of Manus…” https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2143663/human-cost-australias-offshore-detention-centres And, tell the USA, ‘Citizens’, how, Government Health Care will be SO Wonderful ! “…A grieving mother is trying to raise money after government funds were slashed for her son who tragically became a paraplegic after a party stunt went wrong….” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5467925/Sydney-rugby-player-paraplegic-eating-slug.html Can’t wait to see how the he/she called tt TELLS YOU, how to respond. You reap what you sow moron. A-Yep, Ya Sure Do ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/18 at 09:11:24 Asylum seekers are expected to seek asylum in THE FIRST PLACE that they can. Mexico OFFERED asylum. Yet, some continue to America. They have No Rights to cross the border. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by MShipley on 11/05/18 at 13:14:39 Well, if we could just fund the border wall we wouldn't have to send our military. One of the reasons they are sent BEFORE they get there is to create the security that is now NOT in place. Mexico offered asylum and they turned it down. The UN offered asylum in various places and they turned them down. They are not looking for asylum because they FEAR for their lives. They just want to come live here and you know what? That is OK, they just have to follow the procedures and do it legally but NO they do not get to come here and make any demands. Additionally it is not the responsibility of the American taxpayer to take care of them until they can come here legally. PS: It is not just a few thousand illegals. It is estimated that the US currently has 20 Million at least. I think we should round them up and have military aircraft take them all to Australia. I hear that is a prosperous place. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by T And T Garage on 11/05/18 at 13:37:51 4D536869706C6579000 wrote:
Actually, keeping it real, it's about 11 million, not 20 million. Not endorsing it, just stating facts. I get that it's too many - but there are way too many agri-businesses that come to rely on this type of labor. It's been that way for decades. A wall is only a deterrent. People can still climb over or tunnel under it. And they'll continue to do so as long as these jobs exist. What's the best answer? I don't know. But it's not just a wall. If you're going to spend billions, it seems a waste to put all that into one basket. Why not reform the immigration process? Not saying make it easier, just more accessible. That would be a start. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by WebsterMark on 11/05/18 at 14:10:34 A wall is a start. Immigration reform relies on enforcement which relies on the justice department which relies on the current administration. A wall doesn't buckle to the whims of the media. Anyone who says a wall, as a deterrent, is not worth it is kidding themselves. We all lock our doors, have fences with locking gates knowing full well the few determined thieves will still make it through. And a recent Yale - MIT study (no conservative stronghold to be sure) put the number as high as 22 million and a Bloomberg report put it as high as 30 million. 10% of the population? I could see that being true easily. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by MnSpring on 11/05/18 at 14:29:50 No kind of wall or string will work, UNLESS, their are consequences for going, over/under/through. The only, consequences now are. Free Food, Free Housing, Free Health care, and enough extra money to by Cigs & Beer with. After all, ALL, the Illegals come to the land of Milk and Honey, because they KNOW, they will get Milk & Honey. If their were consequences for crossing a line/boarder, then the Wall, could be a piece of string held up by some fence posts. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by T And T Garage on 11/05/18 at 15:27:54 7A484F5E59485F604C5F462D0 wrote:
Yeah, that report has a fluctuation of 16 to 30 million. The metrics are basically estimated. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201193 (read the last paragraph) DHS puts illegal immigrants at 11 million or so. Still to high, but that's a real number. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by T And T Garage on 11/05/18 at 15:28:46 1B380526243F3831560 wrote:
I hope you don't wonder why people can't take you serious. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by thumperclone on 11/05/18 at 15:31:21 he is serious for a fourth grader |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by thumperclone on 11/05/18 at 15:35:57 3E2127203D3A0B3B0B33212D66540 wrote:
your choice of words reveal your true IQ not the 140 you claimed |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/18 at 15:53:04 At this point Really smart people would say Fukk You. And I am smart |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by MnSpring on 11/05/18 at 16:30:35 4D535C5D504D564B390 wrote:
As long as you are so incredibly intelligent, let me ask. When you are sitting at home, relaxing having a pizza and watching Opera re-runs, several people, break down the door, they come in, take your Pizza, change the TV channel and say: “I am going to live here, so tomorrow cash your work check, and give us all some of your money.” Then tomorrow: “ Wash all of our underwear”, then the next day: “ Change the sheets on our beds”. Then the next day: “Re-stock the Fridge, and Cupboards” "And do all of those things, each day from now on, why we sit here and eat your food and enjoy your hospitably" YOU, will say: “Great, Welcome, Everything I have ever worked for, is now YOURS” WHAT ? You say NO !!!!!!!! Well than you are most Certainly a, ... ... ... ... ... ... ... |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/05/18 at 17:17:56 America needs more immigrants to repopulate the 33,000 killed in gun violence every year. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by MnSpring on 11/05/18 at 17:26:50 796B7F7C6B6D6F0A0 wrote:
Not only is that a total LIE, (must have learned that from tt) It is not even remotely true. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/05/18 at 18:11:52 @Mn, Truth is Lies, Love is Hate, Black is White, welcome to 1984. When are you going to tell me what shoe size JoG wears? |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by thumperclone on 11/05/18 at 18:42:30 637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
ignorant childish response |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by eau de sauvage on 11/05/18 at 18:52:12 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
lol. You're more than smart, you're a stable genius. yet as smart as you are you are not able to tell me Webster Mark's shoe size. Go figger. |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by T And T Garage on 11/05/18 at 21:05:51 10330E2D2F34333A5D0 wrote:
As long as you are so incredibly intelligent, let me ask. When you are sitting at home, relaxing having a pizza and watching Opera re-runs, several people, break down the door, they come in, take your Pizza, change the TV channel and say: “I am going to live here, so tomorrow cash your work check, and give us all some of your money.” Then tomorrow: “ Wash all of our underwear”, then the next day: “ Change the sheets on our beds”. Then the next day: “Re-stock the Fridge, and Cupboards” "And do all of those things, each day from now on, why we sit here and eat your food and enjoy your hospitably" YOU, will say: “Great, Welcome, Everything I have ever worked for, is now YOURS” WHAT ? You say NO !!!!!!!! Well than you are most Certainly a, ... ... ... ... ... ... ... [/quote] It's a shame - I'm a little embarrassed actually.... But I get such a kick out of seeing mn squirm... LOL |
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Title: Re: Militarizing the border... Post by T And T Garage on 11/05/18 at 21:06:41 3529342C312433222D2E2F24410 wrote:
ignorant childish response [/quote] But - trump is a stable genius... he even said so!! :D |
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