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Title: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 05:21:52 You know, I remember saying (tongue in cheek) that "I hate being right". That's obvious BS. I love being right! All along I (and pretty much every poll) have said that the democrats would probably win the House and the republicans would probably retain the Senate. Well, here we are! Now, what I didn't expect are the huge wins of diversity! Native American Women, Muslim Women, a gay Governor and an African American nurse/first time politician against a 3 term republican. Some other nice surprises - no more scott in WI and a few other nice wins in Midwestern state's governor races. So - the House is now more representative of the overall makeup of this nation. Now the real work begins. (psst, hey trump, we're gonna get your tax returns!) |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 05:30:40 Oh, and although it would be soooo easy, I'm going to resist the urge to shove the House take-back in anyone's face. You're welcome. :D |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 06:14:01 House seats lost midterm since WWII Obama 2010 -63 Clinton 1994 -52 Eisenhower 1954 -48 Ford 1974 - 48 Johnson 1966 - 47 Truman 1946 -45 Bush 2006 -30 Truman 1950 -29 Reagan 1982 -26 Trump 2018 -26 Current Democrats under performed. If they misinterpret these results as something other than they were, they'll have a very short time at the top. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 07:42:42 1F2D2A3B3C2D3A05293A23480 wrote:
LOL - I see what you're doing mark. I understand. That's OK. The democrats won the house and many inroads at the state and local levels. I can see the forest from the trees. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 07:57:50 013334252233241B37243D560 wrote:
weren't you saying just months ago that you thought the Republicans were going to win and gain seats in both houses???? that there was going to be a RED WAVE, and that you didn't know a single person voting blue.... |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 08:13:47 weren't you saying just months ago that you thought the Republicans were going to win and gain seats in both houses???? that there was going to be a RED WAVE, and that you didn't know a single person voting blue.... No. Said I didn't feel confident enough to bet either way. I'm sure I never used the phrase RED WAVE. (unless it was a joke) Never said I don't know anyone voting blue. I said I don't personally know anyone who supported Trump who was now against him, but Trump wasn't a candidate. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 08:22:15 I see what you're doing mark. I'm pointing out the obvious. From a historical point of view, this is pretty far down the list of midterm results. It in no way compares to the repudiation Obama got in 2010 or Clinton in 1994. But what's also obvious is it was a party shift in power for the House. It's their football to run with now so we'll see what strategy they go for. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 08:41:21 360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:
you've said time and time again, you don't know any lefties like you see here... well, look at the map... democrats won in a lot of places they shouldn't have even had a chance, it's the moderate lefties that lost. Except Lamb in PA, but generally... the more liberal lefties, if they didn't win, made difficult races interesting, Beto in Texas, Millum in Florida, Abrams in Georgia, etc... |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 09:01:49 you've said time and time again, you don't know any lefties like you see here... well, look at the map... Just to be clear, I said nothing that you said I did. You should at least acknowledge that. democrats won in a lot of places they shouldn't have even had a chance Sure, perhaps that's true. but the opposite can also be true. Given the level of absolute hatred towards Trump on this forum and what many of you said is indicative of the nation, the Republicans who in places they never should have, right? Look, one thing to keep in mind, House races are more local, Senate races (while State offices) are more national in scope. If you read the House results as an invitation to attack against Trump and they use their two years following that strategy, they'll likely lose in two years. The only way that doesn't happen is if the Mueller report comes out with clean and convincing proof of Trump being a traitor. And that's not going to happen. My early prediction is they'll be 'talk' of impeachment from some of the fringe nutjob Democrats, but it will be just talk. Democrats have a tough couple of years ahead of them. If they make the slightest miscalculation, they're screwed. It would be a 'yuge' mistake to think you've got Trump on the ropes. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 09:21:46 7B494E5F58495E614D5E472C0 wrote:
I'd say the game plan is getting trump's taxes and looking into his ties with russia. Impeachment might not be the best thing politically at the moment, but I'd sure love to see it. Then we can go to work on the important issues. Medicare for all, immigration reform, etc. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by Serowbot on 11/07/18 at 09:29:11 Reports have been that Trump is bouncing off the walls in frustration in the WH... Now, with an opposing House to deal with,.. he may be bashing his head through those walls. I find that contenting. We didn't win yuge,... but we did get a rope around that bull in the china shop... |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 09:37:20 Reports have been that Trump is bouncing off the walls in frustration in the WH... I've seen a million news stories starting with "Reports.... or sources say... that have been Fake News so I take that with a grain of salt. You didn't win yuge, but you've either started a trend that will bring him great difficulty, or this was nothing but a speed bump. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 09:37:53 I'd say the game plan is getting trump's taxes and looking into his ties with russia yes, please pursue that..... |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 09:44:02 093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:
I can tell you're being sarcastic mark - but again, I understand. I think it's safe to assume that you think it's folly. You go right ahead and think that if you'd like. One thing is for certain. The back story on trump will not be a pretty one. At its core, there are tons of shady happenings. Do you think he's kept his taxes secret for no reason? You think he's doing it to p!ss off the dems? Think again. There are more reasons than not to believe that he's in neck deep with russian oligarchs and money laundering. Like the midterms, I guess we'll see... |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 09:52:22 Do you think he's kept his taxes secret for no reason? I know why. There are more reasons than not to believe that he's in neck deep with russian oligarchs and money laundering. Coming from a guy who thought a high school Jr organized gang rapes with hundreds of people involved and no one found out until now, that doesn't really mean anything. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 10:14:38 6A585F4E49584F705C4F563D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 10:17:27 073532232435221D31223B500 wrote:
I believe Dr. Ford's story. Come to peace with it mark - it ain't gonna change. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 10:33:28 I have no idea what point you are trying to make Lost. Using giant sized font isn't helping. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 10:35:48 Coming from a guy who thought a high school Jr organized gang rapes with hundreds of people involved and no one found out until now, that doesn't really mean anything. I believe Dr. Ford's story. Come to peace with it mark - it ain't gonna change. I know it's hard to keep all those lies against Kavanaugh straight but that wasn't Ford's lie, that was the third woman's lie. Another ridiculous story you believed. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 10:51:57 506265747362754A66756C070 wrote:
just proving you a bold faced liar. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 11:00:52 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
Yeah mark, I know. What you fail to see is that at no time, have I given any credence to any other accuser. Pay attention and stop trying to paint everyone with the same brush. You're the one beating a dead horse. I have to wonder why it bothers you so. Maybe because at your core, you know the kind of guy brett is - and some small part of you believes Dr. Ford. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 11:03:40 Oh, btw - try to stay on the thread's topic, m'kay? |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 12:06:58 73504C4B7E4D4B564C4B3F0 wrote:
just proving you a bold faced liar. [/quote] How so? And in the last few minutes you have called me a fool and a bold faced liar. Neither of which are true. So ponder that before you plead for civility next time. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 12:07:37 Yeah mark, I know. What you fail to see is that at no time, have I given any credence to any other accuser. yes, you have. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 12:10:10 467473626574635C70637A110 wrote:
Have I? When? I think I may have said something to the effect of "Now more are coming out against him..". I don't think I ever said they were anything but accusations. Please, feel free to locate those posts if you'd like. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 12:21:11 No, I'm not going to look. You went on a long rant about how you knew frat boys just like him etc.... Pretty sure the gang rape accusation was the topic. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/18 at 12:35:29 Anyone who doesn't see what TainT has done to our forum is willfully blind. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 12:40:08 1B292E3F38293E012D3E274C0 wrote:
OK, be lazy. Just go ahead and accuse without proof. Par for the course. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 12:41:05 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
LOL -in your blame, you actually stoop to name-calling. Yeah, jog, that's somehow my fault, huh? |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 12:52:24 497B7C6D6A7B6C537F6C751E0 wrote:
just proving you a bold faced liar. [/quote] How so? And in the last few minutes you have called me a fool and a bold faced liar. Neither of which are true. So ponder that before you plead for civility next time. [/quote] I'm not really sure how I can help you as you seem predetermined not to see the truth, even when I LITERALLY SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU one more time with feeling! 8-) I said: "you've said time and time again, you don't know any lefties like you see here... well, look at the map..." you said: "Just to be clear, I said nothing that you said I did..." then I FREAKING QUOTE YOU SAYING THAT EXACT THING: "As I've said before, I never run into leftist in the real world like on the internet and on this forum in particular. " not only are you saying that thing that you said you didn't say, you said that you've said it before, as though it's part of your regular dialogue..... and you have the gall to question it??? dude, you're done, no wonder you like Trump, you and him are two peas in a pod, liar and bigger liar. it's people like you, who can rationalize any lie away to keep their confirmation bias and ego bloated that are really damaging the morality and integrity of this world. you don't even know what civility means... you couldn't stick to an issue and JUST THE ISSUE without calling ANYONE names or degrading them if your life depended on it, and I mean anyone, public officials included. You've NEVER ONCE said, yeah, hey, let's be more civil, I'm for that, you and JOG and Ray and MNSprings always duck that, cause your dislike and hatred of anyone on the other side is so palpable you can't help it. you have not respect for anyone who disagrees with you. your whole world view is judgement, you have to be better, you can't ever be wrong, you, you, you... and you change criteria however you see fit to make it so you never lose. I've offered several times to start again on neutral ground, you mock it, I offer to give you the benefit of the doubt if you return it, you can't stomach the thought... so HERE IT IS: The CHALLENGE, debating issues without even addressing a person, personality, political party, or even side.... (liberal, conservative, etc..) . just based on facts and outcomes and theories, without using invective adjectives or language. Heck, back in the day even JOG could do that.... |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 12:53:02 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
want a mirror???? |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by verslagen1 on 11/07/18 at 12:53:12 584649484558435E2C0 wrote:
LOL -in your blame, you actually stoop to name-calling. Yeah, jog, that's somehow my fault, huh?[/quote] Have you forgotten already? That's your self acknowledged name. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 12:54:34 6B786F6E717C7A78732C1D0 wrote:
LOL -in your blame, you actually stoop to name-calling. Yeah, jog, that's somehow my fault, huh?[/quote] Have you forgotten already? That's your self acknowledged name.[/quote] Nope - it's "trump's taint". You know, the one that all the republicans here suckle on... ;D |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 13:13:53 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
OK, be lazy. Just go ahead and accuse without proof. Par for the course.[/quote] Hardly par for the course. and I don't quite shoot par, but I'm close.... At the very least, you defended her accusations when I pointed out how completely ridiculous and impossible they are. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 13:22:00 I said: "you've said time and time again, you don't know any lefties like you see here... well, look at the map..." you said: "Just to be clear, I said nothing that you said I did..." then I FREAKING QUOTE YOU SAYING THAT EXACT THING: "As I've said before, I never run into leftist in the real world like on the internet and on this forum in particular. " not only are you saying that thing that you said you didn't say, you said that you've said it before, as though it's part of your regular dialogue..... and you have the gall to question it??? dude, you're done, no wonder you like Trump, you and him are two peas in a pod, liar and bigger liar. it's people like you, who can rationalize any lie away to keep their confirmation bias and ego bloated that are really damaging the morality and integrity of this world. Sorry, but I don't speak the "Lost" language. Someone's going to have to help and translate. As best as I can piece together what you're trying to say is: I've said I don't run into leftist like the ones I do on this forum elsewhere on the internet, meaning other motorcycle forums I visit. Which is true. I've also said I don't run into people like you in the real world either, which is mostly true. I occasionally see wachos in bars etc.. spewing nonsense but I never see people like you with a real job. I don't know what your point is with "look at the map." What is that suppose to mean? |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 14:05:27 370502131405122D01120B600 wrote:
OK, be lazy. Just go ahead and accuse without proof. Par for the course.[/quote] Hardly par for the course. and I don't quite shoot par, but I'm close.... At the very least, you defended her accusations when I pointed out how completely ridiculous and impossible they are. [/quote] No mark, not at the least - at the most, I believe her. End of discussion. But that's not what you said, is it? You used a broad brush to paint the picture you want. The one in your own head. Are you now too lazy to look back at just a few posts ago?? "Coming from a guy who thought a high school Jr organized gang rapes with hundreds of people involved and no one found out until now, that doesn't really mean anything." You see mark, I never said, nor implied that. You did. Step up, huh? Admit that you're deep in the hyperbole and knock it off. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 14:33:10 340601101706112E021108630 wrote:
so you do understand, so you're just... . what??? what are you doing here? besides LYING again. "I never run into leftist in the real world" that means you don't " which is mostly true. I occasionally see wachos in bars etc.. spewing nonsense" but yet, you do.... as you just admitted, meaning YOU LIED BEFORE. cause see, you used the word "NEVER" in your first quote there... that MEANS SOMETHING. but you seem to want to pretend it doesn't mean what it means... mmm, guess what that's called? LYING!! words MEAN something, but since you don't take things literally and only take things seriously, then why am I surprised you don't care..... sounds foolish to me and "look at the map" means look at the electoral map and you can find us all on it. and guess what, we have jobs, good jobs... just more info to blow your preconceived notions that you hold so dear. and the only help you need to someone to pull your head out of your own a$$ |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 15:03:20 Step up, huh? Admit that you're deep in the hyperbole and knock it off. Nope. We discussed the gang rapes several times. You never said anything to suggest you found them unrealistic. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 15:04:44 so you do understand, so you're just... . what??? what are you doing here? besides LYING again. "I never run into leftist in the real world" that means you don't " which is mostly true. I occasionally see wachos in bars etc.. spewing nonsense" but yet, you do.... as you just admitted, meaning YOU LIED BEFORE. cause see, you used the word "NEVER" in your first quote there... that MEANS SOMETHING. but you seem to want to pretend it doesn't mean what it means... mmm, guess what that's called? LYING!! words MEAN something, but since you don't take things literally and only take things seriously, then why am I surprised you don't care..... sounds foolish to me and "look at the map" means look at the electoral map and you can find us all on it. and guess what, we have jobs, good jobs... just more info to blow your preconceived notions that you hold so dear. Like I said, I don't speak "Lost". Not sure how I was suppose to get that from your blather. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by T And T Garage on 11/07/18 at 15:15:32 6A585F4E49584F705C4F563D0 wrote:
OK mark, play it that way. You have never argued against being a nazi - therefore, you're a nazi. Hey, I brought it up several times, you never said you weren't.... see how that works? Stop the childishness. I never made the statement that you wanted me to make. Again, come to peace with it, 'cause it ain't gonna change. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by LostArtist on 11/07/18 at 16:02:48 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
you got it just fine, you just cant' stop lying can you? |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by WebsterMark on 11/07/18 at 17:48:22 637D72737E637865170 wrote:
OK mark, play it that way. You have never argued against being a nazi - therefore, you're a nazi. Hey, I brought it up several times, you never said you weren't.... see how that works? .[/quote] No, that's not that works. |
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Title: Re: As Predicted Post by eau de sauvage on 11/07/18 at 21:16:05 2E382F322A3F32295D0 wrote:
What you've now got is called 'oversight'... Mueller has powerful new House allies as he bears down on Trump https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/07/mueller-house-democratic-majority-970325 |
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