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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Gosh! That would just be horrible! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1544158304 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/18 at 20:51:44 |
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Title: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/18 at 20:51:44 An Elkhorn, Nebraska grade school principal has banned candy canes during the Christmas season because she is afraid the J-shape of the candy might make students think of Jesus. Lefties ARE mentally ill.. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/06/18 at 21:19:55 How did you find out the Principal's political affiliation? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/18 at 22:11:37 Ohhh, just a guess.. Wanna bet on it? I'm good for a dollar. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Serowbot on 12/07/18 at 07:57:18 Jesus is so sneaky... ;D |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 07:59:35 I don't want to bet on only a dollar. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by verslagen1 on 12/07/18 at 08:12:36 I wonder what she does every time someone says 'merry christmas' ? ;D |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/18 at 08:15:54 An elementary school principal was put on leave after trying to enact a controversial new policy on holiday decorations. Jennifer Sinclair, the principal of Manchester Elementary School in Elkhorn, Nebraska, recently sent out a memo to parents stating that she comes from a place where Christmas decor was not permitted in schools, according to WOWT. She did not specify where she was from. In an effort to be more inclusive and culturally sensitive to all students, Sinclair said she wanted Manchester Elementary teachers to follow suit and nix all holiday garb from their classrooms. Sinclair's list of banned items included images of Santa, Christmas trees, reindeer toys, red and green patterned items, the playing of Christmas music and even Elf on the Shelf. The principal's ban also gave candy canes the ax. "Historically, the shape is a 'J' for Jesus," she wrote in her memo. 'The red is for the blood of Christ, and the white is a symbol of his resurrection. This would also include different colored candy canes." |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 08:44:42 Why are holiday decorations in the workplace important to begin with? Is there something psychologically beneficial to children if they see it in school? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/18 at 09:09:22 A school is a workplace only for the staff. Yes, of course it beneficial to children. Why take away this experience from hundreds of children to POSSIBLY lessen the experience of one? I say possibly because let's say there's one Jewish or Muslim child in a classroom. Are you telling me them seeing decorations different than what they see at home is absolutely a negative experience? Aren't we told to celebrate diversity? Aren't we told to accept others? Why aren't we telling the one to accept the reality that others in her room are different? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Serowbot on 12/07/18 at 09:38:21 As Freud would say,... Sometimes a candy cane is just a candy cane (actually he'd say it was a thingy...) ;D Christmas is so homogenized that it isn't thought of as religious by most people. I think schools should avoid getting too focused on the scripture aspect , but Santa, reindeer, trees, elves, snowmen, jingle bells, etc... are just seasonal. They can add a few star of David's, menorahs, and crescent moons, etc., if they want to be inclusive. I can understand the PC considerations of public schools, but they do need to acknowledge the holiday. Some folks do get a bit too godly and others too sensitive. It goes both ways. HAPPY FESTIVUS!.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 09:43:51 "Are you telling me them seeing decorations different than what they see at home is absolutely a negative experience?" No. I am asking if there is a psychological benefit to displaying decorations in a classroom. If so, what are they? I know in elementary school we had them, but I never paid any attention and if I recall correctly in high school there weren't decorations. But to be fair I wasn't raised to believe in Santa, just to keep my opinion of it to myself, and I wasn't forced to partake in any family holiday activities, so none of this historically mattered to me. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Serowbot on 12/07/18 at 09:56:19 48686A627F680D0 wrote:
Staving off winter blues, perhaps?... My experience is similar to yours... non-religious. As a child, it was mostly about presents and bright colours. Fading into secondary school and high school. Now,.. it's mostly bad traffic, long lines, and annoying music... ;D |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/18 at 10:25:34 4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:
Do you have any children Eegore? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 11:09:59 "Do you have any children Eegore? " No. Do you know if there is a psychological benefit to children seeing decorations in a classroom? If so can you throw me a reference so I can look into it? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/18 at 11:30:09 Do you need to see references to know art is beneficial? That a building designed not solely based on practicality but with aesthetics in mind is something you need to run an analysis on? Seriously? There are things that are universally intuitive aren't there? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 11:53:30 "Do you need to see references to know art is beneficial?" No. "There are things that are universally intuitive aren't there? " No. I am asking, because I am curious, if there is a psychological benefit to decorations in a classroom, and if so, why. I already indicated that to me it was a non-issue growing up, thus my wondering why its an issue to begin with, I have no direct recollections of decorations meaning anything in school. If I was working there I wouldn't think twice about removing decorations, but since there is backlash against this ban there must be a reason. Is that reason because there is a psychological benefit to children seeing decorations in a classroom? Is there a reason you want to ask me more questions, that I provide clear and concise answers to, instead of answering my question? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by LostArtist on 12/07/18 at 11:56:13 477572636475625D71627B100 wrote:
no, there's not. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/18 at 12:24:41 If I was working there I wouldn't think twice about removing decorations, but since there is backlash against this ban there must be a reason. Is that reason because there is a psychological benefit to children seeing decorations in a classroom? Is there a reason you want to ask me more questions, that I provide clear and concise answers to, instead of answering my question? I guess I'm surprised anyone would ask if decorations are beneficial, especially to children. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/18 at 12:26:15 14372B2C192A2C312B2C580 wrote:
no, there's not. [/quote] Sure there are. It is universally intuitive that there is good and there is evil. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/18 at 12:48:42 Sure there are. It is universally intuitive that there is good and there is evil. I'm gonna agree with that. The thing is, I'm not convinced everyone has the same idea about What is good And What is evil. I suspect I'd call some things evil that someone else would call good. But yeah, generally your statement seems right. Why make the school, which is part of the lives of the kids, devoid of any reference to the season that is part of our culture? If the school is necessarily without a connection to the season, why not just keep school open through it? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Serowbot on 12/07/18 at 13:01:53 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
That blows a giant hole in summer vacation... |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 13:14:06 "I guess I'm surprised anyone would ask if decorations are beneficial, especially to children. " I indicated that I did not attribute much if any value to decorations inside my schools as I advanced in grades. This was an attempt to explain why I have the question. The value of decorations to me is low, their substantive influence to my youth is negligible and I would say had next to zero importance to my daily activities in school. Not decorations in general, I mean specifically inside a public school classroom. Not "beneficial" but "psychologically beneficial" as that is at least measurable to a small degree and not entirely anecdotal. If children attended a school that did not display holiday decorations what detrimental effects, if any, would exist? Can those detrimental outcomes be mitigated by means that are not holiday decorations? If it's a creativity issue can art and sculpture in general substitute? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 13:20:30 "Sure there are. It is universally intuitive that there is good and there is evil." I don't agree with this. High performing Sociopathic individuals typically act in self-serving capacities that do not involve the assigning of good or evil. They live in an almost mental Newtonian Law environment where each action has a reaction (equal and opposite do not apply as this is psychological and not physical) and in order to get a reaction they want they need only apply the most efficient catalyst action with zero regard to the emotional value of the catalyst action. This is why most truly psychopathic sociopaths are discovered as children, they are incapable of covering up their criminal behavior as they are completely unaware that what they did was "bad", and are completely incapable of applying that concept to their daily activities. While today there are treatment programs (containment is more accurate) these children historically were treated as animals, or in certain social structures as demons or possessed. They rarely survived into adulthood. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/18 at 13:38:16 I don't agree with this. High performing Sociopathic individuals typically act in self-serving capacities that do not involve the assigning of good or evil People who are blind from birth have no concept of color. Sociopaths are the same way. Their handicap is lack of empathy or even humanity just like a blind person's handicap is lack of sight. They wouldn't enter into a discussion of good vs evil in the same way a blind person wouldn't enter into a discussion on color. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by thumperclone on 12/07/18 at 15:25:42 timmy we've been lying to you there is no santa claus |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by MnSpring on 12/07/18 at 15:36:39 022220283522470 wrote:
It is clear, that, ’no’, decorations/celebration, did, have a affect on you. because you formed the opinion; “… If I was working there I wouldn’t think twice about removing decorations…” “…Is that reason because there is a psychological benefit to children seeing decorations in a classroom? …” Yes It is what drives the Apple commercial, ‘Give Away Your WORK’, to be shown at this time of year, not July. It is what drives people to, ‘donate’, things/money, at this time of year, not July. It is what drives people to put change in a red kettle, which does not happen in July. So now it is established that a ‘Opinion IS Formed'. One is: “…I wouldn’t think twice about removing decorations…” And one is: “…Why take away this experience from hundreds of children to POSSIBLY lessen the experience of one? …” Depending on what one is, exposed/or not, to. Now the question is, which one Oh wait, that opinion will depend on what POV one, is/is not, exposed to ! |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by MnSpring on 12/07/18 at 15:39:29 3224332E36232E35410 wrote:
I truly feel sorry for you. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by MnSpring on 12/07/18 at 15:45:24 362A372F322730212E2D2C27420 wrote:
"...You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood." |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/07/18 at 16:17:26 "It is clear, that, ’no’, decorations/celebration, did, have a affect on you." I did not indicate it had zero effect, I indicated it had near zero growing up. Also I indicated that decorations were present, the opposite of 'no' decorations. To clarify, while I was in the process of passing from adolescence through puberty and post-pubescent young adulthood in public school there were contained within the property holiday-based decorations, typically reducing in frequency as grades progressed. I was exposed to holiday decorations, and do not at this time have an understanding of why they are important. "So now it is established that a ‘Opinion IS Formed'. One is: “…I wouldn’t think twice about removing decorations…” And one is: “…Why take away this experience from hundreds of children to POSSIBLY lessen the experience of one? …” Depending on what one is, exposed/or not, to." I agree with this except for the last part where you indicate one point of view is from someone who was not exposed to holiday decorations since in this case both individuals were exposed, yet yield separate questions. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by thumperclone on 12/07/18 at 18:25:49 1E3D0023213A3D34530 wrote:
"...You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood." [/quote] you know you may be right santa might take the don down |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/08/18 at 06:32:57 I was exposed to holiday decorations, and do not at this time have an understanding of why they are important. Do you understand why people put time, effort and money to make their houses visually appealing from the street? A short picket fence, boundaries created from rocks, small low voltage lights on trees at night, a decorative wreath on the door.... none of those things improves the comfort of the occupant inside yet many of us do those things.... Why? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/08/18 at 07:51:43 There's a multitude of reasons why people display decorations on their personal property outside of public school classrooms. Some are compelled to show their financial status through elaborate decoration, some do it symbolically, some do it as tradition among many other reasons. None of those examples provide insight as to decorations inside a public classroom and the specific impact that seeing those decorations inside of the classroom has. The topic presented is exclusive to holiday decorations inside the classroom, not at student's homes. Do you know if there is a measurable psychological impact on children who see, or do not see, holiday decorations inside of public classrooms? If so why? I am respectfully and repeatedly answering your questions, yet you refuse to answer mine, is there a reason for that? |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by WebsterMark on 12/08/18 at 09:19:40 My personal experiences say yes. I have not searched papers to see if anyone’s done a study on it. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/18 at 09:37:07 4452455840555843370 wrote:
That blows a giant hole in summer vacation...[/quote] I had no idea that summer was a religious holiday. |
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Title: Re: Gosh! That would just be horrible! Post by Eegore on 12/08/18 at 13:56:33 "My personal experiences say yes. I have not searched papers to see if anyone’s done a study on it. " I've tried over the past day but nothing specific to holiday decorations only in a classroom. Just exposure to art in general and creative skill sets like making cards etc. in art classes. Those don't require holiday be the primary subject though. |
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