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Message started by thumperclone on 12/28/18 at 15:44:46

Title: TDS
Post by thumperclone on 12/28/18 at 15:44:46

and proud of it
dont call me an ul  in reality im a centrist
I can not stand that lying sac of sheet
f uped the economy
fkn up the environment
f uped taxes
fkn up health care
fkn lied about accepting the latest shut down
fkn lied about military pay raise
used his visit to the troops to blow his horn
f u u fkn fk (diagram that sentence ;D)

im using these expletives to communicate with his supporters in the only verbiage they understand

when he falls I will rejoice

Title: Re: TDS
Post by WebsterMark on 12/29/18 at 06:34:46

This demonstrates the power of fake news.

The economy is fine.
The environment is fine.

Yes, you have TDS.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by thumperclone on 12/29/18 at 07:28:39

clean your glasses

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 12/29/18 at 08:40:32


514D504855405746494A4B40250 wrote:
clean your glasses

Clone, have you cleaned your glasses enough to read, then answer this:

thumperclone wrote :
we wont talk about the right wing nut job convicted of murder for mowing down counter protesters?

MnSpring wrote:
Who was responsible for that action/event ?

thumperclone wrote:
brainwashing

MnSpring wrote:
Who was responsible for that, 'Brainwashing' ?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1544590277/60#70



Title: Re: TDS
Post by thumperclone on 01/02/19 at 05:05:25

worst year for the stock market in a decade
average 15 lies a day
its the dems fault he shut down the govt


Title: Re: TDS
Post by WebsterMark on 01/02/19 at 06:03:41

unemployment at historic lows. GDP up. consumer confidence up. Wages starting to creep up. Stock market will return.

TDS is like cataracts, it clouds your vision.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 08:20:37

When a successful ‘business’ person, takes over the helm of a (sinking ship), business.
In very most cases, it requires, throwing overboard the Rats, (people that get paid, but do no work)

The Government, is a Business.
For 16-20 years, the great ship has been drifting,
only moving, when pushed by pirates.

Now their is a Business person at the helm,
AND, he IS, throwing out the RATS,
Dem/Rep/Ind.
And the RATS, all crawled under the desks of 80% (+/-) of the Media.

Some PROOF of that is.
After six years and having flushed $13 million, NY WASTED, (Well not totally wasted, it went into, ‘buddies’ hands, with kick-backs) on the total Ice Skating rink Debacle.

Trump,  said he would do it in,
In six months for no more than $3 million.
It was Accomplished,
(in the relative time frame, OVER NIGHT)
In  four months at a final cost 25% below the budget.

OH but the RATS,
Sit under the Desk of 80% of the Media,
and CRY !!!




Title: Re: TDS
Post by thumperclone on 01/02/19 at 08:50:44

hallucinations and delusions are symptoms of parkinson's

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 08:52:21


5D7E436062797E77100 wrote:
When a successful ‘business’ person, takes over the helm of a (sinking ship), business.
In very most cases, it requires, throwing overboard the Rats, (people that get paid, but do no work)

The Government, is a Business.
For 16-20 years, the great ship has been drifting,
only moving, when pushed by pirates.

Now their is a Business person at the helm,
AND, he IS, throwing out the RATS,
Dem/Rep/Ind.
And the RATS, all crawled under the desks of 80% (+/-) of the Media.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey there genius - take a look at the deficit.  Take a look at the debt.  Take a look at wage growth.

Your boy is an f-ing idiot.  You know about as much about business as trump - and that ain't saying much!!

Some PROOF of that is.
After six years and having flushed $13 million, NY WASTED, (Well not totally wasted, it went into, ‘buddies’ hands, with kick-backs) on the total Ice Skating rink Debacle.

Trump,  said he would do it in,
In six months for no more than $3 million.
It was Accomplished,
(in the relative time frame, OVER NIGHT)
In  four months at a final cost 25% below the budget.

OH but the RATS,
Sit under the Desk of 80% of the Media,
and CRY !!!


You poor misguided fool.
;D ;D

Title: Re: TDS
Post by thumperclone on 01/02/19 at 09:53:04

ignorance is bliss
there are some very happy cons here

what will they be like after their kings' crash and burn

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 10:06:35


4D514C54495C4B5A5556575C390 wrote:
ignorance is bliss
there are some very happy cons here

what will they be like after their kings' crash and burn



Gee, I dunno Thumper - they said we were all so wrong about all our other "predictions" - maybe 2019 will be a great year for trump...?

But then again:

http://preview.redd.it/ijmmr4a25jk11.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8ab1f29ca1fd3472de265a09dd830f2ab199d533

Title: Re: TDS
Post by WebsterMark on 01/02/19 at 10:18:57

what will they be like after their kings' crash and burn

Honestly, it won't make much difference to me in the short term. If it would make a tangible difference to you in the short term, I'd be interested in how.

However, if Trump disappeared tomorrow, his positive legacy would remain.

He kept Hilary out of the White House and ended her national career.
He kept Bernie out as well and most likely stopped his one and only chance.
He ended any hope of Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, and that idiot governor in Ohio. And despite what he might think, Romney has zero chance of winning the White House after trashing Trump only a couple months removed from begging for a Cabinet Post and kissing his a$$ for an endorsement.
He got us out of the stupid Paris Climate Accord and even if a liberal Dem takes over, the climate charade is beginning to unravel so its unlikely we'll ever agree to hand over billions to China and India for zero benefit.
He put illegal immigration on the front burner. Even if a globalist Democrat is elected, they won't be able to push through open borders as easily as they would have had Trump not won.
It's early, but NAFTA is being redone.
Got Kavanaugh on the court and will likely get one more.
Tax cuts.
End of Obamacare in sight.

Actually, as I think about it, there are a bunch more things he's done that will live on and benefit all of us, including you.


Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 11:01:40


566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:
what will they be like after their kings' crash and burn

Honestly, it won't make much difference to me in the short term. If it would make a tangible difference to you in the short term, I'd be interested in how.

However, if Trump disappeared tomorrow, his positive legacy would remain.

LMAO - "Positive legacy"?  Sorry to break it to you web - he's going to go down as the worst president in American history.

That is a fact.

He kept Hilary out of the White House and ended her national career.
He kept Bernie out as well and most likely stopped his one and only chance.
He ended any hope of Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, and that idiot governor in Ohio. And despite what he might think, Romney has zero chance of winning the White House after trashing Trump only a couple months removed from begging for a Cabinet Post and kissing his a$$ for an endorsement.
He got us out of the stupid Paris Climate Accord and even if a liberal Dem takes over, the climate charade is beginning to unravel so its unlikely we'll ever agree to hand over billions to China and India for zero benefit.
He put illegal immigration on the front burner. Even if a globalist Democrat is elected, they won't be able to push through open borders as easily as they would have had Trump not won.
It's early, but NAFTA is being redone.
Got Kavanaugh on the court and will likely get one more.
Tax cuts.
End of Obamacare in sight.

Actually, as I think about it, there are a bunch more things he's done that will live on and benefit all of us, including you.


You are living in a dream world - it must be nice to be so totally ignorant.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 11:14:28


233D32333E233825570 wrote:
- he's going to go down as the worst president in American history.

Na, study History,
way back, their were FAR Worse
than Carter or Obama.

Recent history, It's toss up between Carter and Obama.
In fact many have said,
Carter has to give the Trophy to Obama.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 11:49:45


55764B686A71767F180 wrote:
[quote author=233D32333E233825570 link=1546040686/0#12 date=1546455700] - he's going to go down as the worst president in American history.

Na, study History,
way back, their were FAR Worse
than Carter or Obama.

Recent history, It's toss up between Carter and Obama.
In fact many have said,
Carter has to give the Trophy to Obama.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

Seems you can't read mn.

Let me repeat:

He's (trump) going to go down as the worst president in American history.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 12:27:30


5D434C4D405D465B290 wrote:
Seems you can't read mn.

Na, my reading ability is just fine.

It is your ability to understand,
that is flawed.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 12:38:51


2E0D3013110A0D04630 wrote:
[quote author=5D434C4D405D465B290 link=1546040686/0#14 date=1546458585]Seems you can't read mn.

Na, my reading ability is just fine.

It is your ability to understand,
that is flawed.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]


You'd like to think that, but once again, you're wrong.

I (and many millions of my fellow Americans) can plainly see what a dumpster fire this sham of a president is.

You and your cohorts on the far right are simply ignorant.  But it's not your fault - you're just not that smart is all.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by Eegore on 01/02/19 at 13:34:38


"Tax cuts.
End of Obamacare in sight."


 Corporate tax cuts to be specific.

 Another question nobody here will answer:   By removing the individual mandate we have opened the door for insurance companies to impose pre-existing coverage denial.  What part of pre-existing conditions should be re-implemented into our healthcare system?

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 14:11:31


7B5B59514C5B3E0 wrote:
"Tax cuts.
End of Obamacare in sight."


 Corporate tax cuts to be specific.

 Another question nobody here will answer:   By removing the individual mandate we have opened the door for insurance companies to impose pre-existing coverage denial.  What part of pre-existing conditions should be re-implemented into our healthcare system?



IMHO - they (those being the most vocal conservatives on here) have no skin in the game - that's why they don't care/answer.  They're probably at the age where they have Medicare and/or a great insurance policy from their job - just like I do.

They, however, lack empathy.  Why should they care about a single mom working at Walmart and some other job to make ends meet?  Why should they worry about her barely affording insurance for her family?  Why should they care how, if the pre-existing conditions get pulled, all her and/or kids' future care might put her into bankruptcy and possibly on the street - literally.

Why should they care about anyone but themselves and those just like them?

I will go on the record in saying that I would gladly pay more in taxes to provide Medicare for all.  This is one of the main reasons I fully support Justice Democrats.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/02/19 at 14:41:51


1A3A38302D3A5F0 wrote:
"Tax cuts.
End of Obamacare in sight."


 Corporate tax cuts to be specific.

 Another question nobody here will answer:   By removing the individual mandate we have opened the door for insurance companies to impose pre-existing coverage denial.  What part of pre-existing conditions should be re-implemented into our healthcare system?



why would you want to do that?  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 15:55:20


607E71707D607B66140 wrote:
(those being the most vocal conservatives on here) have no skin in the game -

Ya don’t get it.
Medicare, is different than, Medicaid.
Medicare, is for people that HAVE PAID ALL THEIR LIFE.
And are just NOW, getting some back.
And MOST, will have to live to 120 years old, before they get back, WHAT THEY PAID IN !

Medicaid is what, ‘other’, people get.
It is for the LAZY people that never worked.
It is for the LAZY people that said, ‘You Do It’.
It is for the LAZY people that NEVER saved !

Countable assets include cash, stocks, bonds, investments, credit union, savings, and checking accounts, and real estate in which one does not reside. Also exemptions include personal belongings, household furnishings, an automobile, irrevocable burial trusts, and one’s primary home…
(Did you get that, ONE CAR !!!!!!.  
Did Ya Get That, HOUSEHOLD FURNISHINGS.  
Did ya get that, ONE HOME YOU LIVE AT)


And ya know what the Limit is, it is $3,000.00 per person.
Got that tt, 3 grand !
So a Boat/Motor/Trailer, at $2,500.00, A S-40 at $1,500.00. A small Piece of bare land in N Minn, taxed at value of $1,800.00. A pop up trailer to park on the aforementioned land, $700.00. A rusted out PU-4WD at $1,200.00, A beater car to drive in the summer, at $800.00 Chain saws, Fishing equipment, all the ’stuff’, most people end up having.  Then a Saving Account, that has over $3,000.00 in it.

Add it up tt.  Add up the VERY NORMAL things most everybody has !!!!!!

So the FREE, Is for the LAZY !

Yet keep LYING, just as, Cenk Uygur, TELLS YOU TO SAY !


Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 16:04:32


5774496A6873747D1A0 wrote:
[quote author=607E71707D607B66140 link=1546040686/15#18 date=1546467091] (those being the most vocal conservatives on here) have no skin in the game -

Ya don’t get it.
Medicare, is different than, Medicaid.
Medicare, is for people that HAVE PAID ALL THEIR LIFE.
And are just NOW, getting some back.
And MOST, will have to live to 120 years old, before they get back, WHAT THEY PAID IN !

Medicaid is what, ‘other’, people get.
It is for the LAZY people that never worked.
It is for the LAZY people that said, ‘You Do It’.
It is for the LAZY people that NEVER saved !

Countable assets include cash, stocks, bonds, investments, credit union, savings, and checking accounts, and real estate in which one does not reside. Also exemptions include personal belongings, household furnishings, an automobile, irrevocable burial trusts, and one’s primary home…
(Did you get that, ONE CAR !!!!!!.  
Did Ya Get That, HOUSEHOLD FURNISHINGS.  
Did ya get that, ONE HOME YOU LIVE AT)


And ya know what the Limit is, it is $3,000.00 per person.
Got that tt, 3 grand !
So a Boat/Motor/Trailer, at $2,500.00, A S-40 at $1,500.00. A small Piece of bare land in N Minn, taxed at value of $1,800.00. A pop up trailer to park on the aforementioned land, $700.00. A rusted out PU-4WD at $1,200.00, A beater car to drive in the summer, at $800.00 Chain saws, Fishing equipment, all the ’stuff’, most people end up having.  Then a Saving Account, that has over $3,000.00 in it.

Add it up tt.  Add up the VERY NORMAL things most everybody has !!!!!!

So the FREE, Is for the LAZY !

Yet keep LYING, just as, Cenk Uygur, TELLS YOU TO SAY !

[/quote]

Hey, I think I'll take a page from web's book of debate....

mn - Shut Up!

LOL

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 16:11:28


3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
mn - Shut Up!  

From a popular movie:
"Ya Can't Handel The TRUTH !



Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/02/19 at 16:17:41

MN,

learn how medicare and SS work...

you sound like an idiot... oh wait...

Most Medicare and SS recipients for the most part "get back" MORE than what they paid in.  now some recent reforms have altered that so that soon the average single male, depending on how long they live, won't quite get back what he paid in, but NEITHER are savings accounts that the government is holding for you...  if you work legally, you are currently paying for someone elderly person's SS and Medicare. it's not going into some govt. account that they reserve for you until you are old enough to collect on it, it's NOT a 401K system.  

so YOU'RE WELCOME!!!!   I'm younger than you so soon I'LL be paying for YOUR Medicare and SS benefits.  How's it feel to be MOOCHING off of me buddy!   No hard feelings, you're old, no worries, man, I got you.  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/02/19 at 16:18:22


193A0724263D3A33540 wrote:
[quote author=3D232C2D203D263B490 link=1546040686/15#21 date=1546473872] mn - Shut Up!  

From a popular movie:
"Ya Can't Handel The TRUTH !


[/quote]


who's Handel and what's he got to do with anything?  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by Eegore on 01/02/19 at 16:30:22


 "Another question nobody here will answer:   By removing the individual mandate we have opened the door for insurance companies to impose pre-existing coverage denial.  What part of pre-existing conditions should be re-implemented into our healthcare system?


"why would you want to do that? "

 That's my question.  The people that I have questioned that are pro-absolute removal of the ACA (Obamacare) are glad the individual-mandate has been removed, yet it has opened the door for pre-existing coverage denial.  So why are people ok with this?  What part of allowing pre-existing coverage denial is ok, and why is the process being used now ok?

 As I have stated before absolutely everyone I have asked about this say they dislike Obama or Hillary and that's pretty much where the conversation revolves and never addresses actual medical care.  Disliking Obama is reason enough to allow pre-existing condition denial?  If so just man-up and say it.

 Another question along these line is why do people consistently leave out "Corporate" from the tax cuts statement?  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 16:39:52


03203C3B0E3D3B263C3B4F0 wrote:
...Most Medicare and SS recipients for the most part "get back" MORE than what they paid in.  now some recent reforms have altered that so that soon the average single male, depending on how long they live, won't quite get back what he paid in, ...


Please , PLEASE, give me the information, as to what you say!
PLEASE.
Because of ALL  the scenario/spreadsheets, I have done.
IT IS NOT SO.
Please   GIVE  the FACTUAL Information !


Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 16:45:37


51724F6C6E75727B1C0 wrote:
[quote author=3D232C2D203D263B490 link=1546040686/15#21 date=1546473872] mn - Shut Up!  

From a popular movie:
"Ya Can't Handel The TRUTH !
[/quote]

What truth?  You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the head.  You're a proven liar.  I've caught you several times in lies.  Just recently, lying about immigrant numbers.

You are a liar mn.  So yeah - shut up.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 16:55:04


495758595449524F3D0 wrote:
You are a liar mn.  So yeah - shut up.

Really, Tell me about them  LOLOLOOOLOLOL

To bad you can't handle the TRUTH,
When Cenk Uygur TELLS YOU,
to say otherwise.



Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/02/19 at 16:57:48


5D7E436062797E77100 wrote:
[quote author=03203C3B0E3D3B263C3B4F0 link=1546040686/15#23 date=1546474661] ...Most Medicare and SS recipients for the most part "get back" MORE than what they paid in.  now some recent reforms have altered that so that soon the average single male, depending on how long they live, won't quite get back what he paid in, ...


Please , PLEASE, give me the information, as to what you say!
PLEASE.
Because of ALL  the scenario/spreadsheets, I have done.
IT IS NOT SO.
Please   GIVE  the FACTUAL Information !

[/quote]


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/feb/01/medicare-and-social-security-what-you-paid-what-yo/

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/DC-Decoder/2013/0125/Social-Security-and-Medicare-Do-you-get-back-what-you-pay-in

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisconover/2012/12/03/aarp-lobbies-for-100000-plus-medicare-subsidy-for-seniors/#5bd594ba6bdd

for starters....

but you won't learn, still okay, I got you man!  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 17:00:11


4B685576746F6861060 wrote:
[quote author=495758595449524F3D0 link=1546040686/15#27 date=1546476337]
You are a liar mn.  So yeah - shut up.

Really, Tell me about them  LOLOLOOOLOLOL

To bad you can't handle the TRUTH,
When Cenk Uygur TELLS YOU,
to say otherwise.
[/quote]

Here you go, liar:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1545764356/60

"About 85,000 per year, of ‘refugees’ are brought in."

That's a lie.

Caught you.  You're a liar.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 17:02:02


496A5774766D6A63040 wrote:
[quote author=495758595449524F3D0 link=1546040686/15#27 date=1546476337]
You are a liar mn.  So yeah - shut up.

Really, Tell me about them  LOLOLOOOLOLOL

To bad you can't handle the TRUTH,
When Cenk Uygur TELLS YOU,
to say otherwise.
[/quote]

And pretty much this entire post:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1544651198


Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/02/19 at 17:03:21


5E7E7C74697E1B0 wrote:
 "Another question nobody here will answer:   By removing the individual mandate we have opened the door for insurance companies to impose pre-existing coverage denial.  What part of pre-existing conditions should be re-implemented into our healthcare system?


"why would you want to do that? "

 That's my question.  The people that I have questioned that are pro-absolute removal of the ACA (Obamacare) are glad the individual-mandate has been removed, yet it has opened the door for pre-existing coverage denial.  So why are people ok with this?  What part of allowing pre-existing coverage denial is ok, and why is the process being used now ok?

 As I have stated before absolutely everyone I have asked about this say they dislike Obama or Hillary and that's pretty much where the conversation revolves and never addresses actual medical care.  Disliking Obama is reason enough to allow pre-existing condition denial?  If so just man-up and say it.

 Another question along these line is why do people consistently leave out "Corporate" from the tax cuts statement?  



from what I've heard, the argument is that if you regulate INS companies that the have to cover pre-exisiting conditions, you are automatically inflating insurance cost on the rest that don't have pre-existing conditions, and THAT'S NO FAIR!!!!  how dare you make them pay for someone else!!!  

or some such BS that doesn't understand the point of INS.  

oh, and you're dreaming if you think anyone is actually going to address the actual cost of healthcare. they LOVE charging $10 for a Halls Cough drop.  

it's just another way to divide us into a class based society, the haves and the have-nots, you know, the noble and the serfs just like the GOOD OLD DAYS!  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 17:07:05


01221F3C3E25222B4C0 wrote:
[quote author=495758595449524F3D0 link=1546040686/15#27 date=1546476337]
You are a liar mn.  So yeah - shut up.

Really, Tell me about them  LOLOLOOOLOLOL

To bad you can't handle the TRUTH,
When Cenk Uygur TELLS YOU,
to say otherwise.
[/quote]

Here's another, liar:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1546120020

Post 2 from you.

"tt,  you need to FOIA,
Mollie Tibbetts’s mom, Laura Calderwood’s
Tax Return.

Then you will see, exactly how much money,
the UL part of the DNC has paid her !"

Lying with no proof that she was "paid off".

Pathetic.  You just want her to be.

Seems you're the one that can't handle (properly spelled) the truth mn.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 17:14:12


3F212E2F223F24394B0 wrote:
Here you go, liar:

OH,  QUOTING,  a  UL  Web Site ?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 17:15:03

Like I said mn - your posts make you look silly.

You don't need any help from me.

Keep up the great work.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 17:15:53

I notice you didn't comment on the immigrant number lie I caught you in.

How about that?

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 17:23:39


504E41404D504B56240 wrote:
I notice you didn't comment on the immigrant number lie I caught you in.   How about that?

Really,  REALLY ?????
A Number from a web site,  YOU  LOVE,
REALLY ?

What a DFI.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: TDS
Post by T And T Garage on 01/02/19 at 17:26:15


6A497457554E4940270 wrote:
[quote author=504E41404D504B56240 link=1546040686/30#36 date=1546478153]I notice you didn't comment on the immigrant number lie I caught you in.   How about that?

Really,  REALLY ?????
A Number from a web site,  YOU  LOVE,
REALLY ?

What a DFI.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[/quote]


You lied mn.  Plain and simple.

You.  Are.  A. Liar.

Own it.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 17:43:44


140A050409140F12600 wrote:
You.  Are.  A. Liar..

Rather apparent,  you do just not  understand !!!!!

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Title: Re: TDS
Post by MnSpring on 01/02/19 at 17:52:30


4A695477756E6960070 wrote:
[quote author=140A050409140F12600 link=1546040686/30#38 date=1546478775]You.  Are.  A. Liar..

Well DFI, their ys go.
SPIN  SPIN  SPIN.
I am going to eat some food,
then going to read a book,
then go to sleep.

YOU tt,  Spin, Spin, Spin.

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Title: Re: TDS
Post by Eegore on 01/02/19 at 21:32:26


"oh, and you're dreaming if you think anyone is actually going to address the actual cost of healthcare. they LOVE charging $10 for a Halls Cough drop.  

it's just another way to divide us into a class based society, the haves and the have-nots, you know, the noble and the serfs just like the GOOD OLD DAYS! "


 I worked in a medical center for over a decade.  People discuss cost of healthcare all the time.

 I talk to people all the time about the "$10 cough drop" by using the "warm blanket" as an example.  For instance a warm blanket costs about $35, which is absolutely ridiculous.  Here's why:

 Regulation prohibits the medical center to launder on-site so laundry is contracted.  A few dollars for that, and a few dollars for the distribution tech, the laundry staff member, the contract supervisor and the accounts personnel to get that blanket to and from a laundry service.

 Regulation prohibits the blanket from being brought directly from the loading dock/receiving to the department as the blanket must have a verifiable sanitation record thus creating a chain of custody of sorts.  A few dollars for sterile processing to verify safety, log and place the blanket into the approved racks, a few dollars for the central stores staff to prepare it for distribution.

 Central Distribution requests blankets be stocked in the ED as the system shows low stock.  Laundry sends it to the ED where it undergoes another sanitation verification.  A few dollars for the Central Distribution tech, the auditor, and the laundry staff and sterile processing verification.

 The blanket is taken to a patient, a few dollars for the triage staff to check off on the blanket temperature, a few dollars for Biomed staff to calibrate and check daily the blanket warmer temp, a few dollars for the RN charting that the blanket was "clean and at safe temp" and a few dollars for all that to be collected compiled and stored for audit.

 All of this because someone sued over a dirty blanket, and someone else sued over a too-hot blanket that burned them.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/03/19 at 13:26:02


4E6E6C64796E0B0 wrote:

"oh, and you're dreaming if you think anyone is actually going to address the actual cost of healthcare. they LOVE charging $10 for a Halls Cough drop.  

it's just another way to divide us into a class based society, the haves and the have-nots, you know, the noble and the serfs just like the GOOD OLD DAYS! "


 I worked in a medical center for over a decade.  People discuss cost of healthcare all the time.

 I talk to people all the time about the "$10 cough drop" by using the "warm blanket" as an example.  For instance a warm blanket costs about $35, which is absolutely ridiculous.  Here's why:

 Regulation prohibits the medical center to launder on-site so laundry is contracted.  A few dollars for that, and a few dollars for the distribution tech, the laundry staff member, the contract supervisor and the accounts personnel to get that blanket to and from a laundry service.

 Regulation prohibits the blanket from being brought directly from the loading dock/receiving to the department as the blanket must have a verifiable sanitation record thus creating a chain of custody of sorts.  A few dollars for sterile processing to verify safety, log and place the blanket into the approved racks, a few dollars for the central stores staff to prepare it for distribution.

 Central Distribution requests blankets be stocked in the ED as the system shows low stock.  Laundry sends it to the ED where it undergoes another sanitation verification.  A few dollars for the Central Distribution tech, the auditor, and the laundry staff and sterile processing verification.

 The blanket is taken to a patient, a few dollars for the triage staff to check off on the blanket temperature, a few dollars for Biomed staff to calibrate and check daily the blanket warmer temp, a few dollars for the RN charting that the blanket was "clean and at safe temp" and a few dollars for all that to be collected compiled and stored for audit.

 All of this because someone sued over a dirty blanket, and someone else sued over a too-hot blanket that burned them.



yeah, none of you people count though....  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by Eegore on 01/03/19 at 16:52:51

"yeah, none of you people count though.... "

 I don't agree with that.  I understand where its easy to see it that way from the outside looking in, but the medical care situation in the US is very co-dependent both economically and point-of-care.

 The fact that the high-paying jobs require patients, and the resolution of patient needs creates a huge amount of leverage for those not in the upper echelon, but that's a topic for another thread.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/04/19 at 15:16:54


58787A726F781D0 wrote:
"yeah, none of you people count though.... "

 I don't agree with that.  I understand where its easy to see it that way from the outside looking in, but the medical care situation in the US is very co-dependent both economically and point-of-care.

 The fact that the high-paying jobs require patients, and the resolution of patient needs creates a huge amount of leverage for those not in the upper echelon, but that's a topic for another thread.



no I mean that NONE OF YOU talking about it are making decisions at a national level, you aren't regulators, or lawmakers or even lobbyists....  Are you even in the board rooms or shareholder meetings talking like that?  You aren't in investor meetings, you aren't at the bargaining table to negotiate....  and even so, you're blaming a burned patient or someone who potentially got an infection from a dirty blanket...  

Title: Re: TDS
Post by Eegore on 01/04/19 at 16:18:45

"You aren't in investor meetings, you aren't at the bargaining table to negotiate....  and even so, you're blaming a burned patient or someone who potentially got an infection from a dirty blanket... "

 On the contrary I have been at shareholder, board and national level meetings for healthcare.  I have assisted with 3 major health regulatory  commissions in Colorado and with the VA as well as multiple city ordinance implementations in my hometown regarding public safety but you have a point, even at that I don't have major influence over national policy.

 I as an American citizen who gets involved instead of complaining am a lawmaker.

 I have mentioned here in the past that I with a small group of associates where I live have successfully organized and recalled elected officials and had them removed from office for creating policy contrary to their majority constituents wishes.  

 I did misstate the issue with the "burned" patient.  It was alleged and with no evidence the case never went to court.  The blame doesn't lay with the patient entirely, the lack of creativity or cost-effective strategy by administration is partly to blame, as are the people who attempt to profit from deep-pocket lawsuit attempts.  

 There's this idea that defensive medicine costs less in the long-run, which is true in some cases, and is why I have always said legal reform is the first step to mitigating high healthcare costs, then medical reform can have a chance.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by LostArtist on 01/04/19 at 16:53:12


1131333B2631540 wrote:
"You aren't in investor meetings, you aren't at the bargaining table to negotiate....  and even so, you're blaming a burned patient or someone who potentially got an infection from a dirty blanket... "

 On the contrary I have been at shareholder, board and national level meetings for healthcare.  I have assisted with 3 major health regulatory  commissions in Colorado and with the VA as well as multiple city ordinance implementations in my hometown regarding public safety.

 I as an American citizen who gets involved instead of complaining am a lawmaker.

 I have mentioned here in the past that I with a small group of associates where I live have successfully organized and recalled elected officials and had them removed from office for creating policy contrary to their majority constituents wishes.  

 I did misstate the issue with the "burned" patient.  It was alleged and with no evidence the case never went to court.  The blame doesn't lay with the patient entirely, the lack of creativity or cost-effective strategy by administration is partly to blame, as are the people who attempt to profit from deep-pocket lawsuit attempts.  

 There's this idea that defensive medicine costs less in the long-run, which is true in some cases, and is why I have always said legal reform is the first step to mitigating high healthcare costs, then medical reform can have a chance.





I apologize, I didn't know you were that much part of the problem  ;)

no one is listening to you so what good are you actually doing? whoever is the opinion leader/maker doesn't care.   mainly I think this is because people in those positions have money so they don't actually feel the pain, yeah, it cost them too, but it's a completely different kind of thing to them.

yeah, I'm giving you too hard of a time, but I don't have the means to influence others that might actually make a difference, and you apparently do, so where's the difference?  

as far as legal reforms, that goes both ways, how to you hold medical malpractice accountable without the patient being able to sue and actually affect that malpractice practicioner (the person/company/institution actually doing the harm).  and again, you are dealing with INS again, and INS is a scam, it's a business plan based on gambling, not actual costs.  and you know what would help with negotiating that...  a single payer...  maybe?  

sorry I gave you kind of a hard time in this post, I wish I could be involved more, but I work in one city and live in another and it's hard as crap actually getting information about who's who for elections, let alone their policies...  you know what, I'll spend some time this weekend and try to figure out how to get in touch with my local city politicians...  


idk, everything is complicated...  so I'm saying I could be completely wrong about everything, what the f u c k do I know


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