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Message started by eau de sauvage on 01/31/19 at 23:05:21

Title: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by eau de sauvage on 01/31/19 at 23:05:21

I've never experienced colder than minus 5C, so to see temps like minus 20 in the US while in Australia we are experiencing the hottest spell since records began is more than a coincidence. 120F in parts of Australia, my backyard is a dustbowl the grass is nearly all dead, and a few hundred miles north it's floods.

The chart below shows the folly of thinking that this happens on human lifetime scales. It doesn't. Even though you can see the occasional blip, over the past 110 years the real trend is undeniable.

http://https://i.postimg.cc/ZYWSgTmq/temp-over-110-years.png

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/01/19 at 06:22:02

Yeah, but Eau - it's been cold in the US these last two days....... smh

trump said we can use some global warming here. (because, you know, he and the likes of him can only see out their own front door..)

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Eegore on 02/01/19 at 06:36:19

Looks like fake news to me.

Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?

I mean the margin of error literally matched those percentages of inaccurate and honestly documented readings, but that isn't important. My observed reality where I am has record high temperatures, so global warming, but also my observed reality is that's cold in Chicago so global warming also isn't happening.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by MnSpring on 02/01/19 at 10:11:14

0B2B29213C2B4E0 wrote:

Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?

Would that be like the ‘Weather Station’, that has been in the same spot since I was a kid.
Which then, (was near a major tar toad for ease of access), was basically surrounded but nothing but farm fields.
And today, it is surrounded by, houses, tarred roads, office buildings.
(And of Course, that is the ONLY ONE, in the world, that is like that)
Would that be, one, of the places where readings are gathered, to form the theory that the, ’sky is falling’ ?
Would that be so the self proclaimed inventor of the WWW, can sell TOXIC, CFL light bulbs ?
Would that be so some, ‘scientists’ can get huge Grants, to study GW, because they, ’say’, they believe ?

But hey, perfectly OK, for someone to sell more garden hose,
because eds’s back yard grass is dried up.
But wait !
Is that socialistic, or capitalistic ?

Or is it just like, one can not, ‘Discipline’, spank their kid after they are born.
Yet KILL them, before they are born.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/01/19 at 10:12:58

684B7655574C4B42250 wrote:

[quote author=0B2B29213C2B4E0 link=1549004722/0#2 date=1549031779]
Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by verslagen1 on 02/01/19 at 11:54:58

564847464B564D50220 wrote:

[quote author=684B7655574C4B42250 link=1549004722/0#3 date=1549044674][quote author=0B2B29213C2B4E0 link=1549004722/0#2 date=1549031779]
Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/01/19 at 12:02:27

150611100F0204060D52630 wrote:

Yes, but for you to understand would require you to leave your safe place.

OK vers - then please put it in language that I can understand.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Eegore on 02/01/19 at 16:16:45

"Or is it just like, one can not, ‘Discipline’, spank their kid after they are born.
Yet KILL them, before they are born."

No. Data driven analysis that shows, describes, accounts for and acknowledges incorrect inputs is not just like you described above.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by eau de sauvage on 02/01/19 at 16:43:10

293738393429322F5D0 wrote:

Um, does anyone understand what this post is trying to say?...

Yes, Mn is taking the original point and saying the exact opposite. I have shown that in spite of blips that the overall trend is undiminished. However Mn is trying to imply that global warming measurements are taking by local people with thermometers and if they leave their thermometer near their cup of tea the temp could be wrong. Because an aunt of mine turned all the heating off because her thermometer broke and she died of hypothermia.

You see the thing is that Mn does not understand the difference between a town and the entire Earth, (hint: that's why it's called 'global' warming)

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by MnSpring on 02/03/19 at 12:43:04

33213536212725400 wrote:

You see the thing is that Mn does not understand the difference between a town and the entire Earth, (hint: that's why it's called 'global' warming)

So wonderful to know,
that a person from ‘Down Under’,
has a opinion that their is ONLY ONE,
‘Weather Station’, that weather data is collected from,
In the WHOLE WORLD,
that civilization has encroached on.

And that their is NO, possibility,
for a whole bunch of Weather Stations,
around the WORLD,
giving a reading which is different than before,
because of the fact
that the Weather Stations surroundings,
have dramatically changed.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Matchless G11 on 02/03/19 at 14:33:00

Reminds me of the story of several "weather stations" run by a group of volunteers. In the group there was one that was getting constant high temps and other weird readings. They asked the guy who was running it what was different. He said he did not like the white color that the instruments enclosure was painted in, it clashed with his backyard. So he painted the box green. :P

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Ed L. on 02/03/19 at 18:31:09

Since satellites are being used to track the thermal changes and infrared signatures of the earth along with temperature buoys in the oceans I would think the "Green Paint" theory of global warming really doesn't stand up to close inspection. There's a science called climatology (look it up) where intelligent well educated people actually study how humanity have affected our earth's weather. Even pre satellite climatology was a well studied science, the only change from then to now is that the data has become more accurate. We aren't stewards of the earth, we rape our mother earth for profit and pleasure and deny the damage we cause.
Oh wait a minute, it's all because of Al Gore trying to destroy the fossil fuel industries and push his liberal beliefs onto the USA. <sarcasm for those lost souls who follow the orange turd or his fake new station> ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Eegore on 02/03/19 at 18:39:47

"Since satellites are being used to track the thermal changes and infrared signatures of the earth along with temperature buoys in the oceans I would think the "Green Paint" theory of global warming really doesn't stand up to close inspection."

But observed reality indicates otherwise. Climate change can't be trusted because some of the thermometers are incorrect in some people's backyards. Didn't you know this?

Also money can be made off of climatology, so since the potential for profit exists it can't be trusted. Anything that makes money is suspect, didn't you know this?

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Ed L. on 02/03/19 at 18:44:38

Climate change can't be trusted because some of the thermometers are incorrect in some people's backyards.

Ok I get it . you are being sarcastic about the back yard thermometers, real good one, you had me thinking you actually believed in that statement LOL

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Eegore on 02/03/19 at 18:54:28

I just find it interesting that because some content surrounding climate change are suspect, like profiting by scare tactics, or some incorrect thermometer readings (which are not hidden) means ALL climate change information is wrong.

Those same tactics are used in reverse on other topics like firearm ownership.

A guy shoots up a bar let's look at the numbers of criminal acts compared to safe-use and be sensible.

But if a few thermometers are wrong then lets not compare the numbers to verifiable correct thermometers. Its more sensible in this case to scrap every reading ever based off some green paint.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Ed L. on 02/03/19 at 19:14:49

But if a few thermometers are wrong then lets not compare the numbers to verifiable correct thermometers. Its more sensible in this case to scrap every reading ever based off some green paint.

And if a thermometer does show a higher temperature because of development and paving in the area wouldn't it be true that this is an actual man made temperature increase and needs to be included in the data instead of getting discarded. ;)

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by eau de sauvage on 02/03/19 at 21:20:54

I guess the bottom line is that we'll all be pushing up the daisies and not being the ones who suffer when it all hits the fan.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PAzqBUNlCs[/media]

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Eegore on 02/04/19 at 00:36:37

"And if a thermometer does show a higher temperature because of development and paving in the area wouldn't it be true that this is an actual man made temperature increase and needs to be included in the data instead of getting discarded"

One would think so, but I'm sure there's some reason why it means no climate change records should be used unless they indicate no human involvement. Those are ok to use.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by verslagen1 on 02/04/19 at 07:52:55

So you set up a temperature station and you record the temps, then because you're cold and you build a fire. Now the temps are pleasant, but did they go up?

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/04/19 at 14:06:15

6F4E7566042A0 wrote:

This is pretty much all you need to know as to how the data is collected.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by MnSpring on 02/04/19 at 14:34:34

3F212E2F223F24394B0 wrote:

This is pretty much all you need to know as to how the data is collected.

Thank you so much,
for telling us all,
EXACTLY
What to think.

Must have learned that from,
the person that tells you,
what to think/do/say.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/04/19 at 14:41:55

193A0724263D3A33540 wrote:

[quote author=3F212E2F223F24394B0 link=1549004722/15#19 date=1549317975]This is pretty much all you need to know as to how the data is collected.

Thank you so much,
for telling us all,
EXACTLY
What to think.

Must have learned that from,
the person that tells you,
what to think/do/say.
[/quote]

Think and say whatever you want.

Facts don't care what you think.

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Eegore on 02/04/19 at 16:18:59

"Thank you so much,
for telling us all,
EXACTLY
What to think."

How is that statement telling us what we can or can not think?

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by MnSpring on 02/05/19 at 09:56:22

2707050D1007620 wrote:

"How is that statement telling us what we can or can not think?"

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by T And T Garage on 02/05/19 at 11:35:25

4E6D5073716A6D64030 wrote:

[quote author=2707050D1007620 link=1549004722/15#22 date=1549325939]"How is that statement telling us what we can or can not think?"

Think of it this way, say you said:
“Avocados, Oranges, Apples, are the only things good to eat”.

And tt says: “This is pretty much all you need to know” (about what to eat).

Gee, no one can eat anything else ?

No one can believe something else, is, as good, or better ?

There is a huge difference between saying:
"This is pretty much all you need to know"
and
"This is something you, should/need, to know"

But, a person who believes a person, who thinks they are funny, and a, 'news' site, which ONLY posts UL 'news', and a Snake Oil salesman, who found out their was NO MONEY, in Conservative views, so he changed to a UL, Progressive, where the Snowflakes, FILL his pockets.

Yeah, I get it - you hate Cenk. News flash - he could have made a ton of money if he had stayed a conservative. What's more. that's not where I get all my info from. But you don't care - you'll just keep repeating his name as some sort of finger pointing...

Saying: "all you need to know".
Is rather Par for it's course.
[/quote]

LOL - mn, you are so far removed from reality, it's scary.

Sorry - there's just no other way to put it.

The silly examples of what you think are cogent are laughable. (For instance the Apple ad where a girl is sharing her creative talents.)

But I digress.... If it's not clear to you, then let me explain. What I post on here, in my own voice, are my opinions.

Instead of whining about what I say, counter it.

I never said that you, mn, had to subscribe to my opinion.

It's funny - you talk about snowflakes, but yet you're the one crying about what I post is somehow unfair to you...

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by thumperclone on 02/05/19 at 15:37:54

you may deny the temp readings
you can try to refute the photos and visual observations of the receding ice caps and glaciers
or you can pull you cranium outta your rectum

Title: Re: Climate change. What climate change?
Post by Eegore on 02/05/19 at 16:29:54

"And tt says: “This is pretty much all you need to know” (about what to eat).

Gee, no one can eat anything else ?

No one can believe something else, is, as good, or better ?"

I think if that were the case the sentence should read:

This is pretty much all you are allowed to know, believe, or utilize in your life."

Or to put into the food example:

"This is pretty much all you are allowed to know, believe, utilize, or consume as dietary matter in your life."

In my example that I typed the word "should" does not indicate "only, can-only, must be, can only be," or any other method of indicating that the sentence can only exist and be interpreted as I have written it.

There is a huge difference between my sentence meaning there is only one possible outcome and interpretation and my sentence being a suggestion based off of my opinion.

I feel that the phrase: “This is pretty much all you need to know” in this situation is opinion and not a directive towards us stating we must eliminate all other thoughts or interpretations of the topic being discussed.