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Title: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 05/29/19 at 18:37:54 New member here, just purchased my Savage this past weekend, and excited to join this community as I’ve heard nothing up good things about it through social media and YouTube. My bike is a 2003 that has been under a carport for the past 6+ years. I have two major questions: · I’m currently in process of draining the old gas, cleaning the carbs and an oil change. Going to try to charge the battery and see if it’s still usable, otherwise I’ll replace that as well. Is there anything I am missing before I start her up? · A few rust and grim still remain after a basic wash. Noticed what looks like rust and junk in between the belt divots, will try to wire brush them out, and not sure what exactly it is on the handle bars, what would be the best way to clean these off? Any additional tips and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 05/29/19 at 18:39:32 http://https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b40/drewdeluxe/Screenshot_20190529-181149__01.jpg |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/19 at 18:51:56 Don't mess with the oil until it's running. Don't go into the carb until you try to get it running. Dump the gas. Put a half gallon of fresh, regular gas in. Put the Petcock on prime. See what happens. A new battery would only make sense. Otherwise, no new spark plug, no mechanical anything, until it Tells you what it wants. Some ether to shoot under the seat would be a good plan. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by SpamyToo on 05/29/19 at 19:28:30 I believe in your pictures thats the aluminum corroding and causing the clear finish to bubble. You cant really clean that. You can brush it off with fine steel wool or a small light weight brass brush. It will make it look a bit better, but if getting at it too aggressive you will probably end up losing any painted on markings. Also it will end up looking a little patchy as the corroded parts will come clean and the remaining clear coated parts might just look dull. You can polish out those parts and make them look new again, but you will lose those marks. Then you can clear coat them again to keep them looking new. But just to spruce it up a bit for now, I would just start with a small lightweight brass brush and brush it off. It will look better, and probably decent from 8 feet away. :) |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by batman on 05/29/19 at 20:08:38 It's important to remove the sparkplug(and clean and gap it) and spray fogging oil ,or a couple of teaspoons of motor oil into the cylinder, I would then jack the rear wheel up ,and place the bike in gear ,and turn the wheel by hand to rotate the motor and spread the oil ,and to make sure the piston rings are not frozen to the cylinder walls and insure you don't damage them , BEFORE you even try to start it. the oil has drained off these parts eons ago, on a bike that's been sitting that long, and there is not any oil pressure until the motor actually runs. Don't crank the starter more than a minute or two (if it doesn't start by then it's not going to) and let it sit 15 or 20 to allow it to cool in between or it can be damaged also $$$$$. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Ruttly on 05/30/19 at 14:00:20 Welcome to SS |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 05/30/19 at 15:05:09 Wow thank you for the great advice, looks like I was going about this all backwards. I just ordered a new battery online, should be here next week. Will be working on a draining the old gas, clean the spark plugs, building that $20 dyi jack lift with a 4x8 I saw posted here so I can put some oil into the cylinder, and spin the tires by hand in the meantime.. Bummed out about the aluminum corrosion, started brushing it out, and I see how it looks patchy and dull now, but I have confidence it'll still look good with a little work. You guys have no idea how thankful I am for the detailed information. Can't wait til my battery arrives!! If anyone else has anymore additional tips for this newbie, please let me know :) |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by BrokeAss on 05/30/19 at 18:01:09 Replace the roached out switch housings with eBay finds or else have 'em powder coated. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by philthymike on 05/31/19 at 14:47:18 Inspect the tires for dry rot. Look for cracks in them. Personally I’d replace them on general principle if they were sitting in the weather that long. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by jcstokes on 05/31/19 at 15:15:54 There should be some numbers on the tyres, which will tell you their age. There is a Shinko brand, which many on here say is good value for money. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/31/19 at 15:22:29 2731263427262F363B26430 wrote:
My advice? Go BLIND. Get five thousand miles on it Then worry about the cosmetics. Make it a winter project. Get prepared. Visit the paint store that sells to automotive body shops. There's a Two Stage rattle can clear coat available. It's expensive. About twenty five bucks a can. You MUST HAVE a carbon cartridge air mask. Available from Lowe's for around thirty bucks. Stripping and preparing parts is tedious and we can cover that later. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by philthymike on 05/31/19 at 16:22:35 Look at my thread about 12 y/o Savage ridden in winter. The Suzuki clear coat makes it so stupidly labor intensive to get rid of corrosion you’re better off replacing parts- unless you have all the time in the world at your disposal.... I’ve got a long Ebay watch list now. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/31/19 at 17:11:43 Orbital sander Various grits Three M green scrubby pads Water spray bottle It's not that bad. Two Stage clear rattle can Off to the races. Some inexpensive, smaller parts could be cost effectively replaced But engine sides, probably not |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by norm92de on 05/31/19 at 19:15:33 I'm fond of a sand blaster myself, once the finish has gone that far. Bead blaster if it is not too bad. If you have the equipment or if not I think it is easy to find someone to do it for you. I have always had access in the past. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by batman on 05/31/19 at 23:10:50 A very fine scotch bright pad (white?) and marvel mystery oil , will remove much of that oxidation . |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 06/03/19 at 19:47:47 Ok... I installed a new battery, pulled the spark plug, sprayed some fog oil in, and drained the old gas, and put in new gas.. Now starts, but it won't turn over.. Not sure what to do from here.. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Dave on 06/04/19 at 02:54:10 5A4C5B495A5B524B465B3E0 wrote:
I am not sure what that means. "Now Starts" - implies the engine fires up and comes to life when you turn on the ignition and push the starter button. "Won't Turn Over" - implies the engine is stuck and won't rotate. Does the engine rotate when you push the starter button? Does the engine fire (indicating it has ignition, compression and fuel/air? Does the engine "run"? |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by batman on 06/04/19 at 05:50:12 If it turns over (starter runs & motor turns) but doesn't start ,you may have used to much fogging oil ,pull and clean the plug once more, and spray some starting fluid (ether )into the air box ,the motor can be a bit hard to fire up the first time . remember not to run the starter for long periods of time ,and allow it to cool off in between . You also need to be sure the battery is fully charged , if it gets down to less than about 10 volts (read when turning the motor over) ,the sparkplug wont fire. you can jump the battery off a car battery, but the car should NOT be running, ( max charging rate for a motorcycle battery is only 2 amps, the car 's output is 55/60 avg.) |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 06/04/19 at 10:01:04 Yes - the engine fires up and comes to life, but it's stuck and won't rotate. I think Batman is correct, I most likely put too much fog oil, I'll get some starting fluid and a battery charger. If that works and the bike starts, will that take care of me over spraying the fog oil? |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/19 at 10:07:45 If it's hydraulically locked, you'll wreck something. Pull the plug and spin it over. Probably won't Fire until you clean the plug anyway, if it's loaded up with oil. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Dave on 06/04/19 at 10:34:10 7E687F6D7E7F766F627F1A0 wrote:
Now I am even more confused than before! :-? Let me try a different language: When you push the starter button - Is there Joy? Will the engine - Tick Over? |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by verslagen1 on 06/04/19 at 10:39:06 457E7364757962647F777A65160 wrote:
Now I am even more confused than before! :-?[/quote] It's a zombie. :o |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 06/04/19 at 10:43:50 Lol sorry, I'm new at this and not good at explaining it.. Kinda sounds like this (forward to the 1min mark): https://youtu.be/uk2_hMeDO2U |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Dave on 06/04/19 at 11:45:48 So: You turn on the key, push the starter button, and the starter turns the engine over (round and round) - but it does not start? It just makes noises as long as you push the starter button and make the starter work. Correct? |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by jcstokes on 06/04/19 at 12:56:49 When you attempt to start, have the "choke" for want of the correct description pulled right out and don't open the throttle until it's running. That's the book method of starting. If that doesn't work try turning he petcock to prime position, give the carburettor bowl a sharp tap with a screwdriver handle and see if you have any luck. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 06/04/19 at 16:35:43 Ok latest update.. Sprayed some starting fluid into the air box and she started, but only with the choke out.. Once I let go of the choke, she doesn't have enough to stay on.. Also A LOT of smoke coming off the exhaust, not sure if this is a normal thing for a bike that hasn't been alive for years.. Started her twice, then stopped, didn't want to continue without posting here first.. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Dave on 06/04/19 at 17:35:50 21372032212029303D20450 wrote:
Absolutely....especially one that you have sprayed fogging oil into the cylinder. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by batman on 06/04/19 at 18:58:00 Yes, let it run! ,warm it up until it will run with the choke off, if the carb is OK. you can turn the idle up a bit. the smoke is the fogging oil ,it will clear, the most it might do is foul the plug , but it won't hurt anything. the plug can be cleaned and reused. Don't let it run sitting on the sidestand . if you not going to ride it ,at least place a box fan on high in front of it so it wont overheat. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by ohiomoto on 06/05/19 at 07:35:32 Hopefully, you changed the oil before you started it up if it sat for that long. You don't want to be running oil with gas in it. Your video sounds normal for a bike that sat that long and you got it fired up so that's good. Carry on with what batman said, it hasn't run for a long time. At the very least, it needs the "cobwebs" blown out of it. If you still struggle to keep it running, get a new petcock and ditch the fuel filter. If it's still having issues, then you'll need to start looking into potential carb issues. BUT...don't fix anything until it is PROVEN to be broken! Too many people start taking crap apart before the really understand the full extent of the issues and end up causing more problems than they started with. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Dave on 06/05/19 at 07:49:14 3433323436342F345B0 wrote:
That goes against what most of us believe is good for a dormant engine that is coming out of long storage. If you drain the oil and put in a new filter - the oil system is now dry and there will not be any lubrication until the oil pump moves enough oil to fill the empty filter cavity. A dormant engine has plenty of time for the oil to drain off the bearing surfaces - and there is no reason to make this worse by letting the remaining oil drain out of the filter and pump. I believe it is better to get the engine started and use whatever oil is in the engine to oil the bearing surfaces as quickly as possible - then change the oil and filter after the initial run. If the crankcase oil is contaminated with fuel or water then I guess it is OK to drain and refill the sump - but leave the filter in place for the initial start. And you definitely should oil the piston/cylinder and open up the valve inspection cap and oil the cam and rocker surfaces. If you really wanted to be "sure" about oiling things properly before turning the engine over......maybe you could overfill the crankcase and get all the bearings lubed - then drain the oil and refill to the proper level. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by ohiomoto on 06/05/19 at 08:19:21 I didn't suggest a filter...mostly concerned with the stock petcock and the possibility of running contaminated oil through the engine. But your points are valid. As soon as I heard my 2006 fire up, I drained the old oil out fear that it was contaminated with fuel. Turns out it wasn't, it was just very well lubricated with A LOT of oil. :o http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/IMG_20190507_173018282_HDR.jpg |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by batman on 06/05/19 at 11:12:05 Well what you say is true to a point Dave ,I'd change the old oil , I'd first turn the bike over a few times with the old oil using the starter motor and the sparkplug wire off to be sure the filter is full ,before draining , change the oil but leave the old filter in place until the bike runs the first time , that would allow 75% of the oil to be fresh at startup ,rather than !00% questionable. Even new oil can be ruined if not stored in a place where temperature remains stable ,I'd be leery of the condition of oil, and condensation that might be trapped in the bike ,that sat for 6 years. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 06/05/19 at 17:36:02 I let it run for about 5min, but it still won't run with the choke off. Should I ride it with the choke on? Or let it run longer than 5min with the choke on? Does this mean I need to work my way into cleaning the carbs? At what point should I change the old oil? My new spark plug just arrived, will installing that help run with the choke off, and do that first? FYI - I probably should've mentioned this earlier, while draining the gas through the petcock set to prime, the gasoline dripped out very slowly. Could this be an issue, bad petcock? |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by batman on 06/06/19 at 06:22:31 Letting it run (idle) for 5 min, may not warm the motor /oil , and may not be good for it, your not putting any load on the motor. I would go ahead and change the oil at this point ,but then ride it around the block a few times ( if it dies for any reason you can push it back home),leaving the choke on as needed (until you can push it in ). You won't know if the fuel flow /carb needs attention/ clutch slips /brakes works / etc. until you actually Ride it! I wouldn't change the plug at this time ,the sparkplug in it now is working , and a new plug won't change anything . I'd save the new plug until your sure the carb /petcock is working correctly. If the fuel flow from the petcock is slow you'll know when you ride the bike as it will limit your speed or the bike will die /or falter as you try opening the throttle more. You could at that point check the tank for rust, pull the petcock and clean the filter screen, or clean the the carb. ( if you need to clean the carb ,come back to us and we can walk you through it , there are some do's and don'ts you'll need to know so you don't damage it.) |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Drewdeluxe on 06/08/19 at 21:11:18 Tried to ride it with the petcock set to prime and the choke out, opened the throttle, barely felt power, and stalls.. I suspect I've got a bad petcock, so I just ordered a Raptor 660 to replace. At this point, when I change the oil, do I leave the old filter, or replace that too? |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by jcstokes on 06/08/19 at 23:19:29 See if theres a drain bolt or plug, underneath the float bowl, you could take this out and see if any crap drains out, make sure there's not much gas in the tank if you do this. |
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Title: Re: New 2003 Savage Owner Post by Dave on 06/09/19 at 03:31:39 21372032212029303D20450 wrote:
The normal procedure for changing the oil and filter, is to make the change with a warm engine. That way the engine has run and all the parts are coated with oil, and for the short period of time the engine is running without any oil flow while the new oil filter is being pumped full of oil - the engine is using the recent coating of oil for lubrication. Warm/hot oil also flows better and likely gets more of the old oil and crud out of the engine when you remove the drain plug. So......I would wait until you can get the engine running and warmed up before I change the filter - or at a minimum the engine should run for a minute to get oil onto the moving parts before you make the oil/filter change. |
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