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Message started by eau de sauvage on 04/04/20 at 00:55:41

Title: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/04/20 at 00:55:41

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There's no doubt at all that even though the US got hit after China warned Italy and Italy warned the US, that Trump had a two week window where he not just did nothing but played down the threat, we suppose because he had a 'hunch' or he just cared about the stock market for another few days.

We do not know why he alone (apart from Bolsonaro) chose to do nothing for a couple of weeks. But he did and I can see no other explanation for the explosive acceleration of the cases in the US. by the time that two weeks was up you had a seed population in the 10's of thousands, instead of hundreds.

There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.

We do not know the final result of his folly and ironically people were worried with having him in charge of the nukes. However no one foresaw the damage that could occur if something like a novel pandemic broke out.

Unless anyone has another theory as to why the US has become the epicentre.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/04/trump-coronavirus-science-analysis

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by WebsterMark on 04/04/20 at 05:26:44

There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.

This is simply factually incorrect. And this is not a small error. This is a major observation that’s not even close to being accurate. 2 minutes of research would give you the facts but you are polluted with hatred for Donald Trump that you believe and repeat ridiculous statements.

You are a foolish man and should probably stop talking now.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by WebsterMark on 04/04/20 at 05:31:00

Here, I did your work for you and even from an organization that is often blinded by TDS like you, The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/world/coronavirus-flatten-the-curve-countries.html

And the money phrase:
All of these countries below have seen an average of more than 2,000 cases per day in the past week, and most of them are not showing any signs of a slowdown.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/04/20 at 06:20:08

I have posted about this before - 77% are in democrap areas.

Democraps are filthy pigs ?
Democraps live in 3rd world like slums ?
Democraps are cry babies ?
Democraps are using this as a excuse to complain about Trump ?
Democraps are looking for freebies and piling onto free chitte ?
Democraps are likely piling onto busses and trains cos its the green thing to do ?
Democraps live in apartments where if you're in "isolation" you're isolating with everyone in the building due to central heating.
Democraps are international travelers cos many of them are foreigners especially Chinese and Indian ?

Take your pick - its likely a bunch of these.

TBH, republicans tend to be self reliant and homesteaders in the WFO American landscape, and they tend to be wealthy and easily holed up in compounds in the pricey areas like NYC or CA. Democraps tend to be apartment dwellers, dorm dwellers and skid row dwellers. They cant distance, they cant avoid each other filth etc etc.

PS: The dead vote democrap - and this case doesn't involve voter fraud. These areas are so heavily democrap, they can lose 10% to 30% of their population and still be deep blue. Since electoral college will turn the state over with even 1 vote difference, we're really looking at a political non event for the democraps. When people in apartment complexes in states they have to "turn" start to die, they would start screaming this or that. If the death toll rises, the democraps will lose the popular vote, but if they turn enough states, they can win the electoral college - that's what they're counting on because they've lost both times that occoured. Time to get even once and for all.

Just my take.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/04/20 at 07:28:45

457770616677605F736079120 wrote:

Here, I did your work for you and even from an organization that is often blinded by TDS like you, The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/world/coronavirus-flatten-the-curve-countries.html

All of these countries below have seen an average of more than 2,000 cases per day in the past week, and most of them are not showing any signs of a slowdown

If you look at the whole article - see how high those countries like Belgium etc are especially on a per capita basis. I don't know about you, but that IMHO is the direct result of socialized medicine. If the thing is free, when some news like this hits, everyone turns up asking for free chiitte. OTOH, India has no medical system to speak of. Doctors offices where you pay at the time of consult. And their cases are very low especially considering the population is nearly level with china.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/coronavirus-latest-updates-india-reports-more-than-500-cases-for-second-straight-day/articleshow/74976935.cms

Coronavirus latest updates: Death toll rises to 75, total cases climb to 3072.

Why is that so low ? For 1.2 Billion people. Well social distancing in India = you're stuck with people in your house only. You may live in an apartment with 5000, there is no recirculation of air. Windows will be open, fans will be run and the ocassional A/C unit in the window. Even if you live in a slum, you have social distancing in your house, and they have a nationwide lockdown.

BTW The system there is different, states can not decide to lock down or not, the central govt has the power to call for one of those and people comply. We have experience doing that - Its called Bandh - Shutdown. Every year or so we get one or more of these.
And there is no socialized or even a 1/2 way socialized medical system. So hordes of non sick doesn't show up at a "free" clinic asking for a handout that doesn't exist for a disease they didn't have - atleast till they showed up there and the 1 person who did have the disease gave it to them.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/04/20 at 17:25:17

@WM,

It's the curve that gives the trend. Specifically the slope of the curve, the steeper the slope the faster the acceleration. The US has been showing consistently the steepest curve, and this can only be attributed to the large seed population caused by a delay in taking it seriously for a few weeks.

This is normal for Trump to say something then backtrack because he's only looking at the current news cycle. He's used to controlling the news cycle so if he says bs then he knows he can bury it the next day.

It's just unfortunate for him that and the US that something popped up that controls the news cycle whatever Trump does.

What is important to note in the graph below which starts each country from their first case, is what is happening around day 20. That's about when other countries who took it more seriously earlier and Trump was blowing it off. What you are seeing now is a result of decisions made then. There is a two to three week lag.

Spain and Italy are having a tough time now after taking it more seriously, so it's no wonder that the US curve is steeper than theirs now.

TL ; DR Look at the slope of the curve. It's not that the US has the most casualties, it's that they have the steepest slope, and that's why they have the most cases now.

http://https://i.postimg.cc/yDjXq22f/21112.jpg (https://postimg.cc/yDjXq22f)

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/20 at 18:28:40

nd this can only be attributed to the large seed population caused by a delay in taking it seriously for a few weeks

Nooo,,, TESTING is FINDING more,,
Whine and scream about
Not enough testing..
Get testing
See increase
SHOKKING

Stop buying into the reports from China and other places..
Why believe their numbers"

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/04/20 at 22:21:33

That's rather ironic for you to mention testing because it was the lateness and lack of testing that has contributed to the US slow response.

Europe is not China.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 00:11:31

Slow response?
As soon as Trump started to respond
You lefties started screaming racist.
We didn't HAVE tests yet.. Lie to us again about how Trump refused tests,, I debunked that already.
Trump is Hitler
Trump is a tyrant
He's not doing enough
Do you lefties even know just how crazy you look?

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 00:27:40

The worlds richest economy...

But as the deadly virus spread from China with ferocity across the United States between late January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen — because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels, according to interviews with more than 50 current and former public health officials, administration officials, senior scientists and company executives.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country — armed with some of the most highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists — squandered its best chance of containing the virus’s spread. Instead, Americans were left largely blind to the scale of a looming public health catastrophe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/testing-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Look I will admit I would never have picked it, but then I don't have the world's top experts at hand.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 00:38:50

And?
Criticism?
My Shokkt face can't be reached for comment..
Honesty is all that is lacking.
Trump has moved as swiftly as critics would allow.
You people call him a Tyrant, but you want him to stop people at the borders, except when Having borders is actually racist,,
Why didn't Obama have tests waiting for an unknown virus?
See how stupid that sounds when Obama gets included? What about Fauci? Where was he on getting prepared?
Gosh, maybe Trump COULD have done a better job.. but in January he was fighting a buncha made up BULLSHIT charges,, and lefties were slobbering and yapping about getting Trump..
But you think he should have been better at addressing it..

You would not admit it if he did it perfectly.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 00:43:49

And? this...

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184015/coronavirus-testing-pcr-diagnostic-point-of-care-cdc-techonology

At the center of all of this chaos is a relatively straightforward type of test called a polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, that’s been around for decades. To run it, a doctor swabs a patient’s nose or throat and sends the sample to a lab. The lab then looks for tiny snippets of the virus’s genetic material. PCR analysis is complicated but reliable.

This is the explanation for the thread title.

Do you have another theory?

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 00:47:23

Wouldn't it be Fauci who should know about that ?
You think TRUMP was supposed to?

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 00:50:49

My best suggestion for you is
Don't vote for Trump..

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 00:51:59

In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is distributing its 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel to public health labs through the International Reagent Resource.[13] One of three genetic tests in older versions of the test kits caused inconclusive results due to faulty reagents, and a bottleneck of testing at the CDC in Atlanta; this resulted in an average of fewer than 100 samples a day being successfully processed throughout the whole of February 2020.

Tests using two components were not determined to be reliable until 28 February 2020, and it was not until then that state and local laboratories were permitted to begin testing.[14] The test was approved by the Food and Drug Administration under an Emergency Use Authorization.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

It's all very well Trump calling countries 'sh!tholes' but when push comes to shove.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 00:53:58

Trump has already said he takes 'no responsibility at all'. What a guy, what a prez.

This does look like a monumental c.ock up to be sure...

A week after the genetic sequence for the novel coronavirus first became available in January, German researchers had designed a PCR test that could detect the virus in a patient sample. That test became the basis for the World Health Organization’s (WHO) test used in countries around the world, including South Korea, but which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declined to use. PCR tests are, in theory, fairly simple to create: scientists pick snippets of the virus’s gene and use a series of chemicals to look for that gene snippet in the sample. If they find the snippet, it means the patient has the virus.

South Korea, for example, quickly started testing around 10,000 people each day for the virus.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184015/coronavirus-testing-pcr-diagnostic-point-of-care-cdc-techonology

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 01:25:06

More lies..
I debunked that crock ofshitt already.
Aaaaand, as a rabid lefty, you ignored it.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 01:41:35

You're like a mini Trump, you call anything 'lies'.

And what precisely did you "debunk".

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 02:52:45

the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declined to use..

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 03:17:25

where's the link to your 'debunking'

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 04:51:04

That was some time ago
I'm sure you read it.
We weren't offered tests.
But nothing matters to you.
You won't even acknowledge what Fauci said.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 05:03:57

Trump was contradicting those in charge way back in early march. btw, you need to check that fauci thread because it was answered.

https://youtu.be/c09m5f7Gnic?t=718

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 05:22:57

South Korea and the US both had their first confirmed case on the same date. The US knew about the virus in 2019. South Korea began massive testing whereas the US was at least two months too late and unless you can come up a plausible alternative reason why the US is now the epicentre of the disease and South Korea has already levelled off while the US is nowhere near it's peak, then you have to attribute this to the two months wasted.

You are married to Trump, in sickness and in health till death do you part.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by WebsterMark on 04/05/20 at 05:25:46

45574340575153360 wrote:

No. You lied. LIED. You just posted detailed analysis about curves and Day this and day that as a way to avoid what you said originally which was:
There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.
That was not even remotely true and was a purposeful lie to continue your single minded purpose of blaming Trump for everything under the sun.

As a retort to me pointing out the obvious fact you lied, you’d like say if Trump killed someone in the middle of Time Square, I wouldn’t convict him. Maybe I wouldn’t, but it wouldn’t be because I refused to acknowledge he killed someone, it would be because I think he’s still a better option than the alternative. If Trump cured cancer however, you’d die and take millions with you rather than acknowledge he did it. And therein lies the difference between my eyes wide open and your TDS blindness.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 13:57:07

@WM

Now you've reverted to what is known colloquially as the JoG Technique, where you shout out 'You Lie' as a sort of general purpose non sequitur.

I posted the charts for all the major countries counting the days from their first case. The US curve began to steepen significantly. How the fcuk is that a 'lie'. It's just a fact, that is looking for an explanation.

I explain it by the wasted two months not readying a test, if you have a different theory as to what is the cause, then either put up or shut up.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/05/20 at 15:35:37

Coming from a trip to Asia, Europe and back to the US moving some major players in this issue I'd say Trump could have said he wanted all borders closed, and a quadrillion tests made immediately and there would still have been a major shortage.

A lot of what is going on from a contamination/contagion protocol has nothing to do with the POTUS, even though it looks that way on TV.

This topic is no different than the Fauci one. Anyone can dig up articles and use them to blame the people they don't like, and defend the one's they do.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by WebsterMark on 04/05/20 at 15:54:47

60726665727476130 wrote:

I posted the charts for all the major countries counting the days from their first case. The US curve began to steepen significantly

That's not what you said. You said:
There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.

I'm pointing out that's not true. Every country is not beginning to level off. Where did you get that information?

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/05/20 at 16:04:18

4F5D494A5D5B593C0 wrote:

Trump has already said he takes 'no responsibility at all'. What a guy, what a prez.

Thank god he said that - I was beginning to think he released a virus going round the world killing people. If only he would name the virus after who ever released it that would help.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 16:24:50

@WM, The steeper the curve, the faster the acceleration, what explanation do you have for the US having by far the steepest curve, meaning the fastest acceleration, if not for the appalling delay, in testing for the virus, which was cause by not having a test even though the genetic material was available in 2019 and South Korea was testing 10's of thousands at least a month before.

@srinath, yes, Trump did not cause the epidemic but he did cause the lackadaisical response that has now resulted in the US having a faster acceleration by far than all the other nations who actually had their tests ready.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/05/20 at 17:09:42

2B392D2E393F3D580 wrote:

[b]@srinath, yes, Trump did not cause the epidemic but he did cause the lackadaisical response that has now resulted in the US having a faster acceleration by far than all the other nations who actually had their tests ready.

Aaaah ... we should have thrown more $$$$$ at the china virus more faster. I get it. Brilliant, and then we should reward china by handing over our economy and everything else too.

Really the at the first instance of the china virus, I am blaming Trump for not nuking China to prevent contagion. Really how sad is it now, 1000's dead in the US. 1 Nuke on Jan 1 would have prevented all of this.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 17:20:32

Heres an explanation for how badly we are doing

https://pjmedia.com/trending/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-united-states-coronavirus-case-numbers/

And, our numbers are dropping..
believing the media, who get ratings by keeping people glued to the TV,, is not really smart. They lie all the time, and even admit to it sometimes,, because of ratings.. Just because someone wants TRump to fail, doesnt mean he is failing. Hate him all ya want, hes still The Best President Ive seen..

https://pjmedia.com/trending/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-united-st
ates-coronavirus-case-numbers/

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THIS ONE Down Here

https://pjmedia.com/trending/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-united-st
ates-coronavirus-case-numbers/

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/05/20 at 18:18:07

He he he, the only place that number dropped per the media was New York and we instantly hear of Andrew Cuomo as VP pick for loser Biden, as to how efficiently he handled the Virus crisis LOL that even rhymes.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 18:38:27

The graphs paint a Much Different picture than media..
Toss in the
Per Capita element and suddenly,, we dont look so bad..
But thAT doesnt feed the
Hate Trump fire,, and it doesnt keep rubes freaking out..

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 19:00:17

JoG the second link is an ftp: and the first link is a blank page. The site must be run by turkeys.

http://https://i.postimg.cc/RND7ZCwc/Screen-Shot-2020-04-06-at-11-57-48-am.jpg (https://postimg.cc/RND7ZCwc)

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 19:03:00

I'm impressed how you guys steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that the US curve while starting out like everyone else, very early on took a steeper trajectory and has maintained the steepest tractectory by far for the past few weeks.

Steeper trajectory equates to accelerating trend.

Back to the thread title, what do you suppose is the cause for the US having the steepest curve, if not for the slow initial testing. Without testing there can be no monitoring.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 19:06:00

203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:

The curve is NOT a per capita, it's a total Number. But even the total number is not relevant, what IS relevant is the steepness of the curve, which has nothing to do with population. It's a measure of the acceleration.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/20 at 21:30:48

There are several graphs.

Compared country to country.
Use the last link in my post.
If you're not in it for twenty minutes, you don't want the data.

And, what does it take to Get tested?
Last I heard
Symptoms..
And
From the cruise ship data we saw half of the people who tested positive
Were what? ASYMPTOMATIC,,

So, those tests, reserved FOR SICK PEOPLE, are showing real cases, what they aren't doing is showing the asymptomatic, and since They aren't included, it makes the mortality RATE look higher.

http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2020/03/stop-panicking-over-bad-data.html

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/05/20 at 23:51:25

That site has a security warning, so I'm not downloading anything from that.

The graphs I'm referring to are the TOTAL confirmed cases, not the mortality rate, not the rate per million, not recovered, simply the number of confirmed cases, and the US has the steepest curve by far.

Cumulative confirmed cases, see below. Not the steepness of the curve, that's due to the exponential growth from being late to developing the test.

Because the US did not do extensive testing, there was a three week period where the see population exploded.

If you have an alternative explanation for the steepness of the US curve, then let's hear it. Repeat, it's nothing to do with deaths.

Unless you want to maintain that John Hopkins university and the rest of the world governments are lying. Which is your usual response, everyone is lying. It works for Trump.

Do not expect me to click on links that will download a file to my computer.
http://https://i.postimg.cc/YCnZXGHM/co.jpg

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/06/20 at 06:10:33

EDS - We've told you a million times - It is per capita that compares.
Now I'd make a case where population density is also needing to be factored in because its a factor in this case.
That way The US is to be thought of as may be 4-6 "regions" and here as well it needs to be indexed to per million people etc.
There are places in the US like NYC, SFO, Seattle etc where the numbers look worse than Italy even per capita (this is just a guess I have never seen it published). Overall US is very very low once it is per capita.
Those have been published by the guardian, and I have seen it and seen it on here posted by JOG If I recall.

The numbers don't lie, its the media's spin that while it may not be political, it is driven by eyeballs. And worse news brings more eyeballs and hence more advertising $$$. Same reason why they showed planes flying into WTC for months together.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/06/20 at 08:37:27

You guys are basically mixing words with math, like the missing dollar from the hotel.

You have an R0 (infection rate curve) and then you have a Per-Capita infection rate curve, then you have a Mortality rate curve. When combined you have an overall average, and in reality that curve doesn't really help anyone except making it easier to understand for people not working for a solution.

Select the curve you want to prove your point, they are all different and represent different portions of the same topic.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/06/20 at 09:06:58

and who is figuring in the asymptomatic? and How are they doing it?
Ask a TRump hater how were doing
Terrible,, anywhere else is better

Bullshit, I dont buy it for a second.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/06/20 at 09:49:45

76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:

and who is figuring in the asymptomatic? and How are they doing it?
Ask a TRump hater how were doing
Terrible,, anywhere else is better

Bullshit, I dont buy it for a second.

And this has hit Trump hater country hard. Literally the exact Hilary Clinton blue spots are infected hardest. So the squealing, screaming, shreiking, whining, wailing is unbelievable.

How do we know we're winning, when the squealing by the losers get louder.

Seriously I hope this brings full on tariffs and the final push to kick china out of any trade deals. And a wall, a fence or a bunch of helicopters and drones with shoot at sight orders at the southern border. Throwing all illegals out, and cutting off legal immigration till unemployment hits 2% again.

Sadly someone like AOC will propose to "build the economy" by bringing in illegals and more legal immigration for "working to build the economy" after talking to "business leaders"

We're not full, we're broke, we cant afford supporting new people and we certainly cant have them remitting $$$ out of the US.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/06/20 at 10:14:59

"and who is figuring in the asymptomatic? and How are they doing it?"

How would you recommend getting a figure on asymptomatic people?

If we are going that route I would like to factor in how many left handed people are in there too. There's no way to know, but I want those figures factored in.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by MnSpring on 04/06/20 at 11:24:19

7F6D797A6D6B690C0 wrote:

Do not expect me to click on links that will download a file to my computer.

How do you read a PDF then ?

What are your thoughts on this:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1UAKvTLIDtNopXazMVqr3576dkqRha2gi4CgKf6Ly5wbKcZ5iVivHv3yM
"...or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death..."

Reportedly, people are saying any death,
that is somehow remotely, related to this virus,
is the virus's fault.
(get more money that way)

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/06/20 at 11:35:43

Apparently in Europe if you had corona virus and died within 28 days of that diagnosis (even if it was falling in your bathroom) its attributed to the Virus and blamed on Trump LOL. Pretty sure in libtard centers around America its the same way.
Like I said, Katrina only made bank for advertisers for 4 days. Corona is at 45 and no sign of slowing down, ka-ching ka-ching is all I can say.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/06/20 at 11:51:00

5777757D6077120 wrote:

Exact figures? No.. NO WAY TO KNOW, however, Weve seen ships with known numbers of people, known ages, known preexisting conditions and the exact number of infected, symptomatic and asymptomatic.
Pretending those numbers are without value in coming up with approximate ratios of asymptomatic people walking around, unwittingly spreading it, is ludicrous. And USING that approximate to develop a better feel for the mortality rate is reasonable.
Why arent ALL the people on a ship affected? Are some simply not exposed? Or maybe some are immune? Maybe some blood tests would show that some of the people who didnt get sick were immune because of some earlier exposure to something that created antibodies that protect against this thing, too.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by MnSpring on 04/06/20 at 12:22:29

(The 1st Ship, then the next ones)
"...Pretending those numbers are without value in coming up with approximate ratios of asymptomatic people walking around, unwittingly spreading it, is ludicrous ..."

Rather SPOT ON !!!!!

"... who didnt get sick were immune because of some earlier exposure to something that created antibodies that protect against this thing, ..."

Perhaps a 'flu shot', for one of the myriad of variations, or combos given, has something to do with it ?

Next, (which we will only know after the fact),
the 'normal' flu numbers, should go way down,
WAY DOWN,
because never has this Nation in recent times,
ever issued such orders as,
not this, not that, etc.

Those unanswered questions all lead to,
'Why is the Media and Politicians doing everything they can do,
to scare people ?
(Besides, filling their pockets with money)

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/06/20 at 12:38:51

"Pretending those numbers are without value in coming up with approximate ratios of asymptomatic people walking around, unwittingly spreading it, is ludicrous."

I'm not saying it is without value. I presented my material here, right at 336 pages and they all included the ship data. Did you even bother to run the numbers?

What I am saying is that the numbers being used to support each other's arguments are different, and utilized differently. It's like comparing fuel usage on a lawnmower per square foot and also per blade of grass cut. Saying it cuts millions of blades of grass per tank of gas sounds way better than saying it cuts 500 square feet per tank.

In this example there is no way to know how many blades were cut unless you spend tons of time counting grass, and at that there will still be considerable issue since not all blades are sucked into the bag so the count will never be accurate.

So here we have someone saying "Why is the gas mileage on this mower so inefficient when compared to that Italian one?" and someone else saying "Why isn't anyone counting the blades of grass? This thing performs great, it cuts millions of blades per tank."

Different math for the same subject.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/06/20 at 12:43:47

"'Why is the Media and Politicians doing everything they can do,
to scare people ?"

Are you indicating that social distancing is scary?

I'm not sure what is being put out there to scare people, can you provide examples? There is a shortage of medical supplies in certain areas. People are dying from a series of complications at a rate faster than what medical facilities can treat without additional support, modification and supply.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/06/20 at 13:02:02

0D2D2F273A2D480 wrote:

Yup, certain Libtard areas.
Really, you wanna social distance people in NYC and Skid Row - easy - transport them into the middle of Montana. Its only about 20-30 million people, just beam them off one at a time, drop em 10-20 feet from each other, let them know to stay that far from the next person. Tell them a weeks worth of rations will be available at drop off and will be refilled once the week is over and to not go near the next person.

Should barely cost $300 Million or so and well, the beaming technology should be invented. Yea there's that hurdle.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by MnSpring on 04/06/20 at 14:51:20

0424262E3324410 wrote:

Are you indicating that social distancing is scary?

No. You are 'indicating', that I said that.

I'm not sure what is being put out there to scare people ... provide examples?

Any examples I provide, you would tell me I am wrong.
So, no reason to waste my time, or yours.

There is a shortage of medical supplies in certain areas.

And that is happening in, what, areas ?

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/06/20 at 15:36:51

5171737B6671140 wrote:

Different math for the same subject.

Yes you said it - Libtard pump and dump - Like I posted in reply #3 to this retarded question.

I have posted about this before - 77% are in democrap areas.

Democraps are filthy pigs ?
Democraps live in 3rd world like slums ?
Democraps are cry babies ?
Democraps are using this as a excuse to complain about Trump ?
Democraps are looking for freebies and piling onto free chitte ?
Democraps are likely piling onto busses and trains cos its the green thing to do ?
Democraps live in apartments where if you're in "isolation" you're isolating with everyone in the building due to central heating.
Democraps are international travelers cos many of them are foreigners especially Chinese and Indian ?

Take your pick - its likely a bunch of these.

Libtards account for 77% and climbing of deaths and fatalities and soon we'll be at 90% libtard and I'd be shocked if we don't hit 99% libtard. AKA, 100% of libtards want to martyr themselves to removing president and after the failed impeachment, the Virus is the next best hope. Remember they know dead libtards still vote democratic even without vote fraud in the equation. More dead libtards = worse president looks. They know that. So we're in unprecedented territory of libtards falling in front of the train to try to stop it before it gets to election station.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/06/20 at 16:07:19

"And that is happening in, what, areas ?"

Any examples I provide you will say is wrong. That they took all these supplies home to their families or something similar.

So, I guess there's no reason to waste my time, or yours.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by MnSpring on 04/06/20 at 16:09:10

2223383F302539510 wrote:
" ...77% are in democrap areas ..."

Yep sure does look like it.

"... Democraps live in apartments where if you're in "isolation" you're isolating with everyone in the building due to central heating ..."

This I am not sure about.
Many UL DFI FDS Socialists live in Mansions.
Like one I know, owns big chunk of a Island.
One lives in the, 'Arrowhead' area of Minn and winters in Tuscon AZ.
One owns a Ranch in ND, and winters in Tahoe NM.
And know of one, who STEALS money in DC,
and spends it in a WALLED IN compound, in Calf.

Their is a reason, a whole bunch are called, 'Limousine Liberals' !

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by MnSpring on 04/06/20 at 16:28:55

Many posts in this thread,
I believe,
are like the one I received from a Nigerian Royal Councilman.

Who told me I had 12 million Euros just waiting to be recovered,
because I was a long lost relative of a Nigerian patriot.

Even though, I was born night,
no reason to write back,
because it was not last night.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/06/20 at 16:38:01

Removing post, placed in wrong thread.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by Eegore on 04/06/20 at 22:44:22

"Next, (which we will only know after the fact),
the 'normal' flu numbers, should go way down,
WAY DOWN,
because never has this Nation in recent times,
ever issued such orders as,
not this, not that, etc."

To see "normal flu" numbers go down we would have to start social distancing in early September and maintain it through March. Also there is a vaccine so that helps keep numbers low.

To see a comparable event we would need to have one year without vaccinations at all, then a year with long-term social distancing.

Title: Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Post by srinath on 04/07/20 at 05:41:58

0724193A3823242D4A0 wrote:

[quote author=2223383F302539510 link=1585986941/45#51 date=1586212611]" ...77% are in democrap areas ..."

Yep sure does look like it.

"... Democraps live in apartments where if you're in "isolation" you're isolating with everyone in the building due to central heating ..."

This I am not sure about.
Many UL DFI FDS Socialists live in Mansions.
Like one I know, owns big chunk of a Island.
One lives in the, 'Arrowhead' area of Minn and winters in Tuscon AZ.
One owns a Ranch in ND, and winters in Tahoe NM.
And know of one, who STEALS money in DC,
and spends it in a WALLED IN compound, in Calf.

Their is a reason, a whole bunch are called, 'Limousine Liberals' !

[/quote]

The politicians getting wealthy should be a freaking crime. How in the world do you get rich off 125K was it a year. Same reason why they spend 3-50 million in 2-6 months campaigning for a 125K a yr job.
The same freaking reason illegals come here and work under the table for below minimum wage - their reward is the US citizen anchor babies and the free education we give them as well as all the other free chitte courtesy bleeding heart charities and fake religion BS where they go hide in a church etc.
The other thing is, most of the worlds wealthy atleast in the US have made most of their $$$ very very fast. Face book, google, Musk to name just a few. They are all heavily liberal because they need H1's to use as leverage against US citizens to rob both blind.
However the vast majority of citizens who are democrap are completely unaware and are actively voting against their self interest - Remember only citizens are supposed to vote. The illegals and dead people always vote democratic but there are citizens - for example 70% of Indian origin in 16 voted democrap. For Obama it was near 95%. That is actively voting against your self interest. Ofcourse in 2012 Romney was not talking about cutting down on H1's so we had 2 terrible options in that regard.

Cool.
Srinath.