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Title: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/17/21 at 04:05:03 Are you tired yet of putting rear tires on your bike, constantly? Just watch it, it is another unbeliver who is getting convinced against his better judgement ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZeR9E3JyY He does catch all the big points though. The Darkside tire is still on his bike, he never crashed it although he tried seriously to do that out in the rain no less. |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by LANCER on 03/17/21 at 18:54:50 Is this thread rising again ? Interesting. |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/17/21 at 20:16:47 Yeah, it is so rare to see somebody even look at the idea I thought I would mention it. He runs too much air pressure, BYW. he says he understands about sidewall flex and then he goes and runs it like a square edged rock hard thing anyway. He needs to pick a narrower tire with a higher aspect number like a 90 or an 80 if such is available. He shows a run up to 90 pounds of air to seat the bead, then does not understand how incredibly dangerous that is --- the steel bead may break at those pressures and you roll craps about getting hit with the bead as it breaks. (as I finger the 1" scar on my left wrist and remember the 2 months I spent wondering if my hearing was ever going to get right again, that bead explosion was LOUD) He wanted it to fail, but it didn't. |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by MMRanch on 03/18/21 at 08:23:28 I thought it was "Too Easy" , the way he made the rim tubeless ??? Is it really that simple ??? |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Dave on 03/18/21 at 10:26:09 5C4E5C4E43505F5259110 wrote:
That wheel did have the ribs that most tubeless tires have to assist the tubeless bead hold air and stay on the rim......so it had that going for it. I think he really did have the wrong style tire - too wide and too flat of tread, and an asymmetrical tread pattern. If he could have found a more round profile tire tread it would have been better - but maybe you can't get that style of tread in the rim size he was using. |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Dave on 03/20/21 at 03:15:03 I split this thread as it wandered away from the Darkside to the Vintage tire quest. [split] [splithere] (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1616099155)[splithere_end] |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Dave on 03/20/21 at 09:56:14 4C6F6765666F6F6671030 wrote:
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Dave on 03/20/21 at 10:06:34 Oldfeller: Sorry if you are offended - I am just trying to keep the car tire "Darkside" thread that you started darkside. The vintage looking motorcycle tires that MM was posting are not the same line of thinking as the darkside thread you posted - I thought you would be happy I was trying to keep your darkside thread on track? |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/20/21 at 13:56:12 Remember that I do not consider it really possible to side track or hijack a thread, if I started it is all one big long conversation and we just go with it. And, if I do something to upset the peace, I always go away for a while until I drink enough River Styx to recover my composure and do proper penance. And no, I do not really know what MM intended, nor do you. We assume here MM had some firm intention in mind as He has Darksided before when he can get his hands on a reasonable tire and he, like me has NEVER worn a Darkside tire out --- they die due to road hazard or rim corrosion or other forms of mishap. And I do note that a Guzzi is a bit of a pain to do a rear tire swap on every summer ..... so a good bit longer lasting tire might be welcome. |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by MMRanch on 03/20/21 at 21:05:42 I'm happy , ;) and intend to stay that way ... Sorry if I was leading the thread astray . Ya'll know I don't know anything about educate and the like , but never mean no harm. ............................................... It seems to me that a long lasting tire is better than a 6K-tire any time. I'll never be able to give the Guzzi a long lasting tire ... it needs a 130-90-17 to make the speedometer right. The 130/80 and 120/90 are both too short . Nothing wider is possible to put into it and the 130 has to be deflated to squeeze in. What it is ... is ... what it is ! ::) That is the main reason I bought the V-9 , it has a 150 /80-16 to begin with. To bad it also had an transmission from a piece of farm equipment ! :P In all fair-ness , inside a "Full Face Helmet" I couldn't hear it shifting either , but I like open helmets in the summer . :) and smooth shifting machines all the time. My V7-II is as smooth as most other bikes , so I know Guzzi can build a slick tranny if they try . ................... It seems that I don't have any bikes I could put a DARK SIDE tire on anymore. But , back before the Commander II , there wasn't much choice , but to try something different. After seeing Dave's bike ride wet pavement like it was dry and trying to follow him on a Harley with a Commander II on the rear , I'm ready to admit : On wet roads those hard tires are no comparison to a well built soft sport tire. On dry roads , I don't think it matters much as long as we're off a RACE TRACK ? |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/21/21 at 04:17:49 Yep, I remember you spinning that 1200 Sporster tire a little bit coming out of turns in the rain, it was fun to watch the tiny rooster tail. But I don't ever remember spinning my rear tire in a similar fashion. You tell me I drifted the rear some in tight corners, but I never felt that either. I know there were times I squalled the rear tire in hard braking (intentionally mostly) but only remember doing it once completely accidentally. But that was fairly vertical and the entire flat patch was involved. I remember stopping on the far side of Fontana Dam once where we looked at tire feathering up the sides and mine went no further up the sides than yours did. I had put white out on my tires that trip just to see what was what with contact patch, etc. |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by MMRanch on 03/21/21 at 06:33:05 White out ... ::) ... what a good idea ! :) |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/21/21 at 07:04:42 MM sez "Sorry if I was leading the thread astray ........." You weren't, you were just having a conversation and that is what the Cafe is all about. Right now you are having a conversation with Versy about downdraft carburetors and another one about rim sizes and you will have several more on that thread about several other subjects. That is what drinking coffee in the Cafe is all about ....... conversations. Splitting threads for different conversation items for one person while ignoring it for others might carry some sort of meaning ........ or not depending on how paranoid you feel this week. I think they are all harmless conversations until the TT boys bust out into the Cafe in full cry still fussing hard with each other. Then I remind the TT boys where they are right now and remind them each section has slightly different rules to keep it congenial and happy ( yep I wrote and rewote them until they did ). If they don't like it, I offer to move the Tall Table over to the side, lift the trap door and go swimming with them ...... that seems to work out jest fine. |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by MMRanch on 03/21/21 at 18:20:40 :) Up Draft Carb. ;D |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/21/21 at 19:38:45 I'm used to the direction being down, makes it sound like the engine is snorting a poot when you say it "up draft" that way. <ick> :o |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/21/21 at 19:40:27 I'm used to the direction being down, makes it sound like the engine is snorting a poot when you say it "up draft" that way. <ick> :o pew |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/21/21 at 19:53:46 IGNORE THIS SUGGESTION, I do not think this tire is going to get you past inspection. Point is that they do exist and they do make a 90 series tire in that 17" rim size. Makes me think that Kumho mebbe makes the tire for some small car somewhere, then sells it in America as a spare tire with all the specialty markings. https://simpletire.com/paid?v=1&tireSize=t135-90r17&mpn=1763413&brand=kumho&productLine=121-original-equipment&itemId=72029®ion_id=3000039999&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=G_Shopping_Region_03&utm_content=Profit-Bucket_Other_LowProfit_Tier-D_RAD&utm_term=&utm_creative=383435609216&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3duCBhCAARIsAJeFyPVBsuukP_Gw2yJc_T_sZWbITz5wEMu_nWv0o6vai3FGAKQKtAQCk28aAqH6EALw_wcB This one looks like a normal tread depth tire, not like a temporary tire at all. Cost is lower, too (on sale right now). $80 http://https://images.simpletire.com/images/w_500,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_lossy/line-images/6295/6295-treadonly/kumho-121-original-equipment.png http://https://images.simpletire.com/images/w_460,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_lossy/line-images/6295/6295-sidetread/kumho-121-original-equipment.png I do not think you are going to like what is written on the side walls of this particular tire though ........ |
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Title: Re: Darkside tires for beginners Post by MMRanch on 03/21/21 at 20:57:33 OldFeller wrote : when you say it "up draft" that way. :-? When the bath-room tissue got short , I put those "Clear-Rear" things in our bathrooms ... :) ... They are the "Future" , It's a whole new kind of clean ! 8-) ................................. Hay be nice to our moderators , they have the job nobody wants , or asked for , or appreacheates ................................... Your right, But I don't have a cup of coffee , its a glass of ice water. ;D ............................ Back a few years ago , I was really glad to find out about that Dark Side Rubber ! That tire sure looks like an interstate running mile eating piece of equipment ! :) A few years ago , I would have tried it out . Now , If there is some Super-Slab running to do ... I've got Marcia going with me and the bike is in the back of the truck getting a ride to the place to take us for a ride ! ;D. And That's OK , I like having Marcia with me. ........................................ I got used to ridding on the car tire but have to admit that the rim fit lacks a little to be desired. Also The bike tire manufacturers have stepped up their game a little ... it might have been because of seeing that bikers were fed-up with those short-life tries that the manufactures thought was the only game in town. ? :-? |
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