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Title: Just another one !!!!!! Post by MnSpring on 03/14/24 at 21:03:41 [code][/code]Hey Joe, another ILLEGAL you can apologize to !!!! “… ILEAGAL migrant is charged in deadly hit-and-run after plowing through stop sign and dragging motorcyclist 100ft while high on drugs…” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13184425/illegal-migrant-charged-hit-run-killed-motorcyclist-arizona.html “…28-year-old Andres Guerrero Talamantes has been identified as the suspect who struck motorcyclist David Hadrich, 27, and left him for dead. Talamantes is an 'undocumented' illegal migrant without a driving license….” “…On March 1, authorities found and arrested Jose Andres Guerrero Talamantes. He was booked into jail on suspicion of felony hit-and-run charges involving death. The sheriff's office said the suspect admitted to being a drug user and that he was on drugs during this crash…” "...Talamantes is also charged with tampering with physical evidence after allegedly hiding the GMC Sierra pickup truck involved in the accident. He is 'undocumented' and does not have a driving license, according to court papers seen by Arizona Family. ..." |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by MnSpring on 03/15/24 at 20:39:42 They Just Keep On GIVING. More for Pedo Joe to APOLOGIZE to. Arrested undocumented migrant previously cited for driving without license “… Andres Felipe Morales is 1 of 3 men facing charges A man, who the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office said is undocumented and accused of sexually battering a woman, was previously cited for driving without a license, according to court records. Posted at 12:09 AM, Mar 14, 2024 WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A man, who the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office said is undocumented, was previously cited for driving without a license, according to court records. Andres Felipe Morales is one of three men facing charges after the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office said he along with two other men kidnapped a woman and she was sexually battered by him. The sheriff's office said the other two men are facing charges related to the sexual battery, Darinel Ordonez Jimenez and Marcos Felipe Ramirez, and also are [b]undocumented …”[/b] |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/24 at 03:08:04 Had another here in Missouri. |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by thumperclone on 03/17/24 at 10:40:39 where are the stats for non illegals? |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Eegore on 03/17/24 at 14:01:46 where are the stats for non illegals? The FBI publishes regular updates, and typically your local LE will have some form of public records. It's a weak argument though since the question is more along the lines of how should the US government use tax dollars to reduce hostile acts against it's legal citizens. Should the allocated funds go toward investigating, apprehending, prosecuting, sentencing undocumented non-citizens, or should it go to preventing undocumented non-citizens from killing legal US citizens to begin with? This is like having some kids from another neighborhood go around breaking windows and when they get caught people want to know how many kids in your neighborhood break windows. You can deal with both, but wouldn't it better if you didn't also have kids coming into your area adding to the problem? |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by thumperclone on 03/17/24 at 15:25:06 both |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Eegore on 03/17/24 at 17:42:34 Ok so since US tax dollars should address both prevention and also prosecution, what value does asking how many legal US citizens commit crime, when specifically addressing criminal undocumented non-citizens? There is a reason why in US courts the defense is not allowed to bring up other unrelated criminal acts in a trial. Other crimes aren't a valid argument for defense, or an argument for any reason at all really. If I killed one of your family members, would asking you how many people in your town committed murder be a valid question? Would that prove any point really? |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by WebsterMark on 03/18/24 at 04:38:01 Thumper’s a good cautionary tale. Same as our fair and balanced moderator. They support the players on their team regardless of their performance. There’s no reason to object to outrage at illegal aliens murdering innocent women by raising such a ridiculous question unless you view all this as nothing but a game and you must support your Blue team at all cost. I have switched teams in my lifetime ( having vote for Carter and Clinton) and am not a fan of Trump and am against several major Republican policy positions. There’s no reason to support the mass illegal immigration that’s going on now. None unless you’re just cheering your team on. And unlike an actual game, we are burying innocent American citizens and many cities are struggling to support tens of thousands unable to support themselves. |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Serowbot on 03/18/24 at 08:20:10 More than 40,000 people will die from gun violence in the US this year a handful will be shot by illegals As a percentage of population they are less likely to commit crimes or violence |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Eegore on 03/18/24 at 09:02:20 More than 40,000 people will die from gun violence in the US this year a handful will be shot by illegals As a percentage of population they are less likely to commit crimes or violence How is that a valid argument? The problem is the unsustainable amount of immigrants, and the side-effect is an additional percentage of murder. If I killed one of your family members, would it be a valid argument for me to state that black males statistically murder more humans than white males? |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by WebsterMark on 03/18/24 at 09:43:04 7365726F77626F74000 wrote:
Go ahead and prove my point for me. Like that matters to the parents of the girl murdered. Or the lady run down here in Missouri. Again, your logic is absolutely ridiculous. You’ve twisted yourself into an indefensible position because you’re trying to support your democratic team. That woman would be alive today. The lady who was run over here in Missouri would be alive today. And I would venture to guess since we we’ve allowed, illegal, immigration to continue, and yes, that includes under Trump, hundreds have been murdered, and countless have been injured either physically or had property stolen. |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Serowbot on 03/18/24 at 09:51:52 08282A223F284D0 wrote:
Would you feel better if it had been a white guy? There's two sides to that coin |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Eegore on 03/18/24 at 13:38:09 Would you feel better if it had been a white guy? There's two sides to that coin I'm the murderer in this scenario it would have been a white guy. If I, a white male murdered someone in your family, what value would it be for my defense to bring up the statistic that black males, percentage-wise, kill more humans? Bringing up murder statistics of other demographics does what exactly? There really is no advantage to any policy that allows for increased crime, no matter how the percentage stacks against people who actually legally exist in the US. This isn't a question of pro vs anti immigration, I am just saying that your crime percentage argument is poor. When non-citizens kill US citizens, there is no value in saying "Well US citizens, percentage-wise kill more so let's keep that in mind". |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Serowbot on 03/18/24 at 13:49:34 Firstly,.. how am I supposed to know if you're black or white? Secondly,.. I didn't mention any race Thirdly,.. as a topic that is not personal here, there are about 39,999 reasons to point out the likelihood of a shooter being a legal citizen rather than illegal regardless of race |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Eegore on 03/18/24 at 14:07:42 Firstly,.. how am I supposed to know if you're black or white? I clarified that in the scenario. I am white. If I murdered someone in your family, what value would it have for my defense to state that statistically black males kill more humans? Secondly,.. I didn't mention any race I mentioned race. I brought up a known statistic in certain geographical areas of the US, when compiled and averaged represents the nation as a whole. It's typically due to inner city gang activities, which is unrelated, but if we want to make blanket comparisons, legal US citizens kill domestic partners more often than undocumented non-citizens. You know, if we look at the percentages. Thirdly,.. as a topic that is not personal here, there are about 39,999 reasons to point out the likelihood of a shooter being a legal citizen rather than illegal regardless of race There could be many more. In the scenario I am presenting here, I am asking if I murdered your family members, what value would it be if for my defense to bring up that black males murder more humans? If a female murdered your family member, what value would it be to bring up statistically males murder more? If an alien lands on Earth and kills your family member, what value would it be to bring up that Earthlings murder more? |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Serowbot on 03/18/24 at 14:27:05 Isn't the topic here, that illegals are murdering people? This is the racist trope that Trump is using to stir up his base. Fear the Illegals! ..."and some,.. are probably fine people" |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by WebsterMark on 03/18/24 at 14:32:24 If a female murdered your family member, what value would it be to bring up statistically males murder more? If an alien lands on Earth and kills your family member, what value would it be to bring up that Earthlings murder more? I can answer that for our fair and balanced moderator. The value is an opportunity to score political points. That’s all. There is no logic or common sense behind it. You have to think of politics as a game, a football game. It’s the blue team against the red team. If blue team fumbles the ball, it’s not their fault. Something out of their control, probably caused by the red team cheating, is what happened. It’s nothing they did wrong. If the referee makes an absolutely terrible call that’s clearly wrong, it’s not wrong in their view. They’re the greatest referee in the world. The referee called it exactly correct. If the referee makes a call against them, then he’s a terrible referee. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. If you want to see what that looks like in real life, just watch how liberals talk about the Supreme Court. One case, they’re the greatest thing in the world. The next case, let’s ask protesters to swarm their homes. Of course, it doesn’t matter how many murders were committed by US citizens, when you’re talking about a woman who was killed by an illegal alien who had been arrested and released before. The potential for future votes, especially to offset the loss of African-American votes, is worth sacrificing a few people. That’s the liberals mindset. |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Serowbot on 03/18/24 at 14:48:42 0B281536342F2821460 wrote:
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Eegore on 03/18/24 at 15:49:18 Isn't the topic here, that illegals are murdering people? The topic is that those specific illegals killed those specific US citizens. This is the racist trope that Trump is using to stir up his base. The information in these posts is accurate. If it were a racist trope, we would include other non-murdering illegals. Unfortunately in this case, the murders are real. My question is what value is there, addressing actual murders, when you compare legal citizens who have committed different murders? If I murdered someone in your family, what value would it be for the defense to outline the percentage of humans that committed murders, that are not me? |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by MnSpring on 03/18/24 at 16:20:39 7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:
Ignore the FACT !!!!!!! “…Most firearm deaths are suicides …” “… 54% of firearm deaths in the US were suicides …”[/b] (Both from UL, FDS, Socialistic reports/web pages) Ignore 300 (+/-) “… justifiable homicides by law enforcement …” Ignore 450 (+/-) “… justifiable homicides by private citizens …” Ignore ! Ignore ! "... Comparing the numbers, the Center estimated that "gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13% of all homicides annually. (That is from, 2007-2012. Average each year, 9,750)[/ Which NO MORE RESEARCH was conducted BECAUSE, it PROVED, what a political party did NOT WANT to be shown. IGNORE ! That accidents are 1200 - 900 a year. IGNORE the FACTS !!!!! Take your number, 40,000 (Which is already a grossly inflated number) - 21,000 for suicide. - 750 for justifiable homicide. - 9,700 for Gang Bangers. - 1,000 for Accidents. (Like failing off a MC) What is the REAL number ????? How does that compare to: Car Accidents (35, 000 a year, fatal car accidents) Or Drug Over 100-thousand people died in the U.S. from drug overdoses in the 12 months. (Golley Gee, is their not a, 'WAR' on Drugs ? How is that War going ? "OH. OH. OH" (car 54 where are you) What about: "... Finding that most people dying from COVID-19 are vaccinated does not mean vaccines don’t work..." How many was that ???????! Just stop trying to take AWAY the Liberty and Freedom of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS of this Nation. And GIVING, ILLEGALS, the same Rights !!! |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by WebsterMark on 03/19/24 at 04:53:53 5741564B53464B50240 wrote:
[/quote] Serowbot is just f’ing with you now. (I hope he’s not serious) |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by WebsterMark on 03/19/24 at 04:56:53 So this guy Barrera stabbed two people in the back in a laundromat in a suburb of St Louis Saturday afternoon but I’m guessing those wounds Don hurt as much because he wasn’t a US citizen. “The U.S. Department of Homeland Security issued a detainer for Barrera because he was an undocumented immigrant who entered the U.S. illegally through Eagle Pass, Texas, in 2021. A detainer is placed on those who have been arrested on criminal charges and can be removed from the country, according to U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.” |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by MnSpring on 03/20/24 at 07:07:09 Tucson Az, Just viewed a TV News Report, Crime up 103 % Homicides up 75% Bot, How Many ILLEGALS are you putting in your house ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Just another one !!!!!! Post by Serowbot on 03/20/24 at 08:09:44 5B784566647F7871160 wrote:
All of 'em Dare ya' to try to break into my house |
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