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Title: Energy Post by WebsterMark on 08/05/24 at 04:08:13 The nation cannot continue forward without an abundant and reliable source of energy. Between our two political parties competing for leadership of the nation, there’s only one who could be considered serious about maintaining, securing and growing our supply of energy and that’s the Republicans. That right there should be 75% of your basis for selecting who you support. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by WebsterMark on 08/05/24 at 04:24:12 And why would I say that? Herewhy: “On July 9, 2024, U.S. power plant operators in the Lower 48 states generated 6.9 million MWh of electricity from natural gas, marking a record high since the collection of hourly data began on January 1, 2019. This surge in natural gas-fired generation was driven by exceptionally high temperatures across the country and a significant decrease in wind generation. The National Weather Service reported that temperatures on July 9 were well above average nationwide, with particularly high temperatures on the West Coast and East Coast. Concurrently, wind generation plummeted to 0.3 million MWh, substantially lower than the 1.3 million MWh daily average recorded in June 2024.” |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by thumperclone on 08/05/24 at 06:15:54 energy production is market driven new recourses are hampered by gov regulations |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/05/24 at 06:38:35 Oh,like shutting down pipelines? Deciding to screw up with something called a Green New deal? It's not so much market that has screwed us. It's government policy. When Trump was president we were, for the first time I know of, energy independent. I'm not engaging in your semantics, E, Golly,,seems like right now our Strategic oil reserves are really low,, I wonder who caused that? |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Eegore on 08/05/24 at 08:18:19 It's not so much market that has screwed us. It's government policy. When Trump was president we were, for the first time I know of, energy independent. I'm not engaging in your semantics, E, It's not semantics, you are just wrong. I showed the information you were looking at to over 100 people and not one human besides you could see a section where the US was energy independent as you defined it. The problem is "Energy Independence" is almost exclusively measured in oil or gas. This in itself is a bad strategy, and ignores in most cases that energy is a traded commodity globally. Strategic Oil reserves are a bad measure if Trump is taken into account since they went down during his term no matter how much he lies about it. 695 million barrels when Trump began, 635 when he left. Congress is partially at fault as they blocked the funding to ramp it up his last year, but as it stands Trump did not by measurable volume increase the SPR. Biden was even worse for sure being the largest depleting factor ever. Webstermark is correct that energy should be a large component of one's election decisions. Society goes nuts without electricity for a while. The problem however is the using of simple metrics like "Green energy" or "Strategic Oil reserves" as a way to decide, when in most cases the politician is just lying about their contributions. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/05/24 at 10:02:57 You do backflips to find ways to minimize what Trump did for America by letting Drill,Drill,Drill be the watchword of the day. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by ThumperPaul on 08/05/24 at 10:13:48 Energy independence under Trump is a giant lie, period. Just look at actual data from valid sources. You also have to consider chemistry too. Light sweet crude vs sour crude. The biggest importer to the US is Canada. Yes Canada and not Saudi Arabia or the Middle East. So it’s not like we are dependent on Middle East oil if that’s what bothers you. We also have to look at what fracking is doing. You don’t have to be a tree hugging climate change environmentalist to see its impact. Recent earthquakes in the fracking region of Texas. Much larger earthquakes than the area used to experience. I do support using natural gas to produce electricity. It’s relatively clean and efficient. Neither party really influences anything in the energy market. That would be a fairy tale about the tail wagging the dog. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/05/24 at 10:28:24 Yeah, the conversation is tired. Love what you want. It was THE BEST I've seen. It's Fukkt now. So,play with it. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Eegore on 08/05/24 at 10:32:46 Neither party really influences anything in the energy market. That would be a fairy tale about the tail wagging the dog. Exactly. The claims are used to get votes, that's it. When a human says Trump didn't increase the Oil reserves, then uses basic addition/subtraction math from kindergarten, Pro-Trump will whine and complain, but don't have evidence that any of that actually impacts US energy independence. When a human says Biden massively reduced Oil reserves, then uses basic addition/subtraction math from kindergarten, Pro-Biden will whine and complain, but don't have evidence that any of that actually impacts US energy independence. It's almost like Energy Policy as a whole is more important that what guy did what with one aspect of the global energy market. But no, lets just base everything on the Oil Reserves. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/05/24 at 11:08:24 Neither party really influences anything in the energy market. That would be a fairy tale about the tail wagging the dog. Horse CRAP. Anyone paying attention knows that when drilling permits are disallowed, less oil is the result. If anyone thinks cancellation of the pipeline didn't affect us ,,they are not thinking. And Trump ALLOWED a boom,with economic policy and handing out the drilling permits. If the government prevents the drilling contractors from producing the oil,then the demand in the market can't be met. Without demand for oil,drilling won't be wanted. When drilling Is wanted, but disallowed by Policy, then a Side of the Government DOES Impact the energy supply. I hope that helps. Ohh,FWIW, unmet demands equal higher prices. A small supply,being sought by many, drives prices up. Flood the market, price goes down. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by WebsterMark on 08/05/24 at 12:00:36 Neither party really influences anything in the energy market. That would be a fairy tale about the tail wagging the dog. While it’s true we often incorrectly blame a particular party for influencing prices, they absolutely make a difference on energy, a huge difference. Unquestionably the Democrats position and enacted policy related to climate change greatly affects the energy markers. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/05/24 at 12:14:16 While it’s true we often incorrectly blame a particular party for influencing prices, While I Think it’s true we often incorrectly blame a particular party for influencing prices, I correct you because I don't think I have ever wrongly attributed blame . Bush Wanted high prices. I read lips, to a point. Audio was weak,, but There,, coupled with the lips,it was unmistakable. GW was being told about the way gas,,err,Petrol is sold in Europe and the cost of a Liter,, Bush's eyes open and he says I don't see why we can't have that here. I know what I saw. And heard. I also watched the news when I was18 and in the Air Force. I Watched the admitted Idiot Billy Carter,as he was leaving some gathering, chased down by a reporter, asked a question and he turned and started answering the question and was so very much Not the joke we were told he was. I thought Boy! The news at 10 is gonna be All About the fact that Billy is Not the moron we've been told he is.. Nope, that piece of video was never seen again. Not by me. It wasn't a newspaper story. It was Gone. Because, Narrative |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by WebsterMark on 08/05/24 at 13:23:18 I wasn’t saying you specifically, I was just saying in general it’s common practice to blame the other team when things go bad. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/05/24 at 14:39:16 Well, yeah, if you're A chikkinshit. Being able to point to your own team and admit it's lacking is what honest people do. Bush SUKKT,every one of them, every time. Trump screwed up Yuge.. But his policies still brought minority unemployment to the lowest point in memory. Gas was affordable. Food. No new wars. Russia didn't invade anyone. And he was openly and covertly opposed. But did more for everyone in America than any president I've seen. And Racist that he is, he was STILL given Community Service Awards BY BLACK LEADERS,,for the good things he had done for the minorities. And Selfish BassTurd that he is, he never took his paycheck. So, after proving you have no intention of allowing the Truth to direct your thinking, color me Shokkt that you're able to pretend The Obvious Isn't. If the shoe fits, that is to You. I knew you didn't mean me, specifically. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew I wasn't any part of that. I wouldn't allow my team to cheat, either. If a guy cheats, winning just became impossible. I Like winning.. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Eegore on 08/05/24 at 18:54:18 While it’s true we often incorrectly blame a particular party for influencing prices, they absolutely make a difference on energy, a huge difference. Unquestionably the Democrats position and enacted policy related to climate change greatly affects the energy markers. I guess my assessment is more along the lines of an entire energy market and not isolated aspect of just the US market. Too many people want to look exclusively at oil when it's impact gets lower every year. Lithium policy is a huge deal and pretty much the only time I hear anyone bring it up is when they are complaining about electric vehicles. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/05/24 at 19:01:28 Watching policy negatively affect our economy is always a concern for me. Seeing lefties work to make things harder for the Energy providers IS WATCHING them make my life more expensive. Clinton put a Huge coal deposit OffLimits for mining. It is The Cleanest coal found,according to the people who were trying to get to it. In keeping with the GW hobgoblin, such fuels are Eeevill. But coal is still mined. So let's Exclude the finest coal we have. Seems like That would be The Preferred place to get it.. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by WebsterMark on 08/06/24 at 04:37:35 My company has business in the data center segment and the amount of electrical energy required by large data centers is staggering. I went to a data center conference in DC a couple months ago and the message from everyone in that industry was clear: we need more energy. The obvious is now even being spoken out loud in that industry, the idea renewables can deliver the volume of energy required in the near future is a joke. We’re kidding ourselves if we’re not investing in nuclear R&D. Absolutely kidding ourselves. We are approaching an energy wall and we better change course or we’re going to run right into it. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by thumperclone on 08/06/24 at 05:32:58 nuclear fusion |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Graybeard on 08/06/24 at 08:12:17 273B263E233621303F3C3D36530 wrote:
Like global warming,, it's Coming! In ten years, again. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by Eegore on 08/06/24 at 11:08:52 The obvious is now even being spoken out loud in that industry, the idea renewables can deliver the volume of energy required in the near future is a joke. We’re kidding ourselves if we’re not investing in nuclear R&D. Absolutely kidding ourselves. We are approaching an energy wall and we better change course or we’re going to run right into it. Yeah these data-mining server houses, and AI use a tremendous amount of energy. Require those run exclusively off renewable/green energy and watch the approval for nuclear skyrocket. |
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Title: Re: Energy Post by MnSpring on 08/06/24 at 11:19:20 79595B534E593C0 wrote:
Great idea. Yet if the two people with no Balls get in charge. It will NEVER Happen ! (One by gender, one by never using them) |
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