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Message started by WebsterMark on 09/20/24 at 04:44:35

Title: Bet
Post by WebsterMark on 09/20/24 at 04:44:35

I watched the debate in a hotel room with a bunch of men on my motorcycle trip, and during the debate, I bet someone a bottle of Woodford reserve that Harris would win.

Why?

Because she can be a very good speaker and talk for a long time without saying absolutely anything of importance and I think that resonates with a lot of people who have been brainwashed, so I figured it was a safe bet.

However, I’m not so sure anymore. I’m not willing at this point to make a real bet who’s going to win. I figured Harris would probably win, but as more time goes on when she’s out on the trail by herself, I feel like things are tightening up, and Trump might be able to pull this off after all.

Trump is running not just against her but against the media and entertainment cultures which makes it three against one, so it would be quite a feat to do it two times (I think he won the second time, so technically this would be his third win) but I think it’s much closer than I thought it would be. I underestimated Harris’s ability to look like the idiot she is.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by ThumperPaul on 09/20/24 at 05:18:44

Just because it was close in a few battleground states last election and it made the outcome look closer than it really was based on electoral votes, Trump lost by almost 7 million popular votes nationwide.

This is what makes the Jan6 Capitol rioters look really dangerous as they were unable to accept the election results. It’s pretty delusional to say “Trump won” when he lost overall by almost 7 million votes.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by ThumperPaul on 09/20/24 at 05:35:27

I find the 3 on 1 comment pretty comical too. Maybe I’m unique (probably not) and I’m just getting a more balanced view through various sources. There seems to be a significant amount of anti-Harris “information” (or misinformation) floating around out there. You yourself and others sure don’t seem to have a problem finding it. It’s like you’re making excuses for an outcome that hasn’t happened yet. If we can’t win, we’ll just cry, call foul, and make excuses. Kinda the definition of poor losers (or just losers).

You’re a bright guy, but you hurt your own credibility with poorly constructed comments.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by zevenenergie on 09/20/24 at 07:28:36

I definitely disagree with you. I think Webster is looking at the situation very realistically.

Just like Webster is projecting his negativity on lefties, you are doing the same on Trump and his supporters.

But that doesn't mean you are right. It is just a projection of your own negativity that you look at.

Meanwhile, all of America knows how fake Harris is. And you know it to.

There is something in our ability to distinguish that never goes away. Even the most drugged out psychiatric patient can still sense whether you are being genuine or not.

And that is why Trump will win...

The lie of harris is too big to believe. And you know what will happen in your own life if you take your lies for granted, your life will be a mess.

So people don't want that as a government leader, they would rather see someone who didn't rise through cunning, manipulation and corrupt choices.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by WebsterMark on 09/20/24 at 07:57:06

5F637E667B6E795B6A7E670B0 wrote:

The popular vote doesn’t matter.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by WebsterMark on 09/20/24 at 08:00:01

625E435B4653446657435A360 wrote:

Yes, I’m a bright guy and I don’t fall for BS. It’s absolutely comical to talk about dis-information regarding Harris when many of the people in this forum still believe Trump told people to drink bleach, still told people, the Nazis were fine people, they still believe the hunter laptop was Russian disinformation.

I’m not sure if there’s anything remotely comparable being said about Harris.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by WebsterMark on 09/20/24 at 08:01:39

66796A79727972796E7B75791C0 wrote:

I think it’s still possible Trump wins. You’re right in the sense that Harris just bleeds fakeness. She’s a complete lie. You can’t say that about Trump. Trump is exactly who he presents himself to be while Harris is the opposite, she hides herself.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by Serowbot on 09/20/24 at 08:08:18

6F5D5A4B4C5D4A75594A53380 wrote:

The popular vote doesn’t matter.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by MnSpring on 09/20/24 at 08:36:48

7F435E465B4E597B4A5E472B0 wrote:

I find the 3 on 1 comment pretty comical

Apparently you are not paying attention.

electoral votes

Only two States correctly apply electoral votes. Only 4 times was the 'popular' vote more than the electoral vote for a person.

Here is a very simple explanation on how they work. "...A state gets two votes per senator. One vote per Representative..." (the number of districts it has) "...All States, except for Maine and Nebraska, have a winner-take-all policy where the State looks only at the overall winner of the state-wide popular vote..."

Many years ago electoral votes brought representation to people living in 'Rural' areas of a State. Years ago the Metro ares were full of regular people.

Today Metro areas have a significant population of, Ner-Do-Wells, who get by by using other peoples tax money.
And the Rural areas have working Citizens.

A Example:
In 2020, Calf 55 Votes to Biden
Minn 10 Voted to Biden.

SHOULD have been, (like 2 states),
Calf 20 Trump / 35 Biden
MN 5 Trump / 5 Biden

Changing the electoral vote system would take a Major Constitutional change.

And the UL, Socialists that have worked their way in the less noticed positions in State government, will block any effort to change, the WORKING, Tax paying, peoples vote.

If a Cackling, Word Salad, DFI, and a Scardy Cat Bully win, it will be simply because those people are NOT, paying any attention.
And are doing ONLY what they are TOLD to do.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by ThumperPaul on 09/20/24 at 10:48:40

As I’ve mentioned in previous posts, they both suck!

I’m well aware that the electoral college is how the election result is decided. But it’s absurd to say the popular vote doesn’t matter. You can’t be so obtuse to ignore that 7 million more people voted for Biden than Trump. It says a lot even if that’s not what determines the election result. In very simple terms, 7 million more people favored Biden over Trump.

The far right extremists are irrationally scared that Harris could turn this country into some communist socialist country. The checks and balances in the system would make that virtually impossible, but they are too delusional to see clearly.

Likewise, the far left is equally irrationally scared that Trump is going to declare himself a king or dictator and seize control indefinitely through force.

I honestly don’t want to vote for either one of them. Arguing about who’s the bigger liar or fake or brash or deceptive is classic posturing and mud slinging gibberish. They both suck. And anyone saying, “this is what the people want” has a mighty high opinion (inflated ego) of their own psychological/sociological evaluation skills.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by WebsterMark on 09/20/24 at 10:51:25

7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:

[quote author=6F5D5A4B4C5D4A75594A53380 link=1726832675/0#4 date=1726844226]The popular vote doesn’t matter.

That's right
The Dem candidate has to run a hurdle race where all the hurdles are 2" taller than the Pub candidate
They need about 6 million more votes than the Pub to win
In an equal race, no Pub would ever win
[/quote]

In a vote with 5 lions and 4 zebras about what’s for dinner, the zebras never win either. See my post the other day about the land needing a voice.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by Serowbot on 09/20/24 at 11:25:12

Sort of a political welfare for the Right
I thought you guys were against handouts

Title: Re: Bet
Post by JOG on 09/20/24 at 11:39:56

If you want to Know where the People stand
Look at rally attendance.

If anyone can explain Why paper was put over windows when they were counting votes,get with that.
It's obvious enough that election was stolen.
Corruption so obvious, but denied. The biden crime family, Hunter in the Outside Sales Department, it's Obvious to anyone who is willing to see. Trump won, look at All of the bellwether states he won. Look at WHEN the voting turned against him.
But the ones who can look at decades of data that prove it's safer to live where self defense is legal and STILL want gun control will never allow themselves to get it.n

Title: Re: Bet
Post by Serowbot on 09/20/24 at 12:02:34

You'll deny the facts anyway but here you go

Right-wing media portrayed window covering at ballot center as nefarious. Here’s what really happened
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html

Title: Re: Bet
Post by thumperclone on 09/20/24 at 12:41:00

[quote author=6154475F4443475442260 link=1726832675/0#12 date=1726857596]If you want to Know where the People stand
Look at rally attendance.

If anyone can explain Why paper was put over windows when they were counting votes,get with that.
It's obvious enough that election was stolen.
Corruption so obvious, but denied. The biden crime family, Hunter in the Outside Sales Department, it's Obvious to anyone who is willing to see. Trump won, look at All of the bellwether states he won. Look at WHEN the voting turned against him.
But the ones who can look at decades of data that prove it's safer to live where self defense is legal and STILL want gun control will never allow themselves to get it.n[/quo

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN HERE'S J O G
OUR NEXT CONTESTANT ON TO TELL THE TRUTH
BEATER OF DEAD HORSES
DRINKER OF THE ORANGE FELONS KOOL AIDE
REHASHER OF DEBUNKED LIES
DENINER OF HIS SENILITY
[and all the lemmings applause]

Title: Re: Bet
Post by MnSpring on 09/20/24 at 12:42:06

2137203D25303D26520 wrote:

CNN

WOW the ever popular Chicken Noodle News.

Absolutely no Buy-est their ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

When, in the past, have windows been covered ?

Title: Re: Bet
Post by thumperclone on 09/20/24 at 12:58:44

also NY Times
USA Today Detroit free press
THE STATE OF MICHIGAN

Title: Re: Bet
Post by ThumperPaul on 09/20/24 at 13:14:10

Bellwether states? Are CA and NY not bellwether states?

Let me get this straight…everything was perfectly fine with the 2016 election when Trump won some key swing states (forget the Russian interference - fake news, right?). Flash forward to 2020 and Trump loses in some key states that he previously won…and suddenly the election is rigged. And the only people that count votes are all democrats. Sounds like perfectly reasonable thinking to me… geez

Trump lost 2 ways: 1) the electoral college way, and 2) he was crushed in the popular vote. #2 is probably what crushes his ego more, but he’d take a win anyway he can get one. Practically blackmailing and threatening Governors to find votes that didn’t exist. He lost!

NOTE: Harris and Trump both suck!

Title: Re: Bet
Post by JOG on 09/20/24 at 17:12:54

I'd rather go through more Trump years than Harris years.

Title: Re: Bet
Post by Eegore on 09/20/24 at 19:36:51

Technically all voting systems fail to represent the voter in one way or another.

Democracy is by technical assessment not possible. There's volumes of math dedicated to proving this, but this video here is the easiest and most comprehensive for examining this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf7ws2DF-zk