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Title: Why vote for Trump? Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/24 at 04:29:54 A Trump Presidency won’t negatively impact my or my immediate family’s life in any way I can think of. His time in office before Covid was positive for me. Harris is an unknown in many respects but if I assume she manages to move forward with some of her policies, I can’t see any benefits, not negatives. The concept of an “opportunity economy” and her comments about equity and equality sounds like quality of performance and products take a back seat to whatever definition of diversity she imagines. And free speech will absolutely get trashed. There’s a long list but I’m heading to the airport for a work trip so more later, think about it. How will your life be personally impacted by the policies of the winner?

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by zevenenergie on 09/22/24 at 05:36:14 I think that if Trump becomes president he will do everything in his power to put things in order in Ukraine and the Middle East. That would mean that inflation will decrease worldwide and trade relations will be strengthened again. We no longer buy gas from Russia, and instead we now buy liquid gas from America. (That was forced upon us by the US.)So America will have to loosen its iron grip on the Netherlands. I think that under Harris that will not happen and that they will push the world more into war. I am a fan of free trade improvement.

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by ThumperPaul on 09/22/24 at 06:34:27 Let’s think about this… 1) The national debt increased by 8 trillion under Trump.  The most by any president.  He now promises to eliminate the debt.  Enjoy that kool-aid. 2) Trump tariffs on China started a global trade war and those higher tariffs got passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices and inflation.  But he’s going to stop inflation if elected.  Enjoy that kool-aid. 3) If he can end the Ukraine/Russia war on Day 1, enjoy that kool-aid too.  Why doesn’t he pick up the phone and do it now? 4) Drill baby drill.  I’m fine with this.  I live in Texas.  But nobody beats OPEC at the price/production war game.  Easing tension in Israel and the Middle East would be a good thing, but there’s nothing to suggest it would impact OPEC and fossil fuel pricing and production in a meaningful way. I don’t like Harris, but Trump’s plan is hollow words and pandering. And I’m still waiting for Mexico to pay for the Wall.

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by MnSpring on 09/22/24 at 07:22:40 4A766B736E7B6C4E7F6B721E0 wrote: I don’t like Harris, but Trump’s plan is hollow words and pandering. Yet, it sounds like in your posts you are voting for Harris.

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by zevenenergie on 09/22/24 at 07:27:52 6F534E564B5E496B5A4E573B0 wrote: Let’s think about this… 3) If he can end the Ukraine/Russia war on Day 1, enjoy that kool-aid too.  Why doesn’t he pick up the phone and do it now? The question is do you want that war to stop? Because he has to be president to stop that war. And if you really want that, then you can vote for him.

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by JOG on 09/22/24 at 08:21:28 I'm not sure, but I Think there are laws against citizens engaging in foreign policy work. And unless Trump is president, he has no authority to get anyone here to Do anything and the people in NATO don't care what he says. Now, about people Telling us what they are Gonna do, and asking WhynaFukk dontchya just Get on with it today?? Harris is in a position to accomplish some things.

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by Serowbot on 09/22/24 at 08:32:14 20% tariff on all imports will affect you Killing Obamacare will affect you or someone you care about Handing over Ukraine to Putin will affect the world Adding another 8 trillion to the deficit to give to rich billionaires will affect you, your children and grandchildren ... but you'll be safe from sharks in your gas powered boat

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by ThumperPaul on 09/22/24 at 10:10:21 I’m still undecided.  But the Trumpers in this daily rant have the most pitiful tired arguments with very little substance.  I’m about to bow out of these conversations again.  It’s just not worth my breath.  Provide some good reasons to vote for him based on facts and information that is valid and not just blind biased opinions. I was absolutely not impressed with Trump’s term as President.  Why would I want to go through more of the same… 8 trillion deeper in debt (doesn’t act a bit like a fiscally conservative Republican). Tariffs that drove inflation and trade wars. Tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations when they didn’t need it. A wall that was a failure and wasn’t paid for by Mexico A revolving door in his administration anytime someone didn’t agree with him 100% (no one could build on his plans and contribute) His friendliness with Russia and North Korea can’t be ignored There’s more, but I’ll stop there. Harris’s plans don’t impress me either, but I don’t have this irrational fear that she’s going to turn the USA into a socialist communist county in 4-8 years.   And neither side is really against keeping the war machine fed.  It’s good for the economy.  I am very much in favor of stopping Russia from advancing across Europe even if that means the war continues longer. They both suck.  I have about 5 weeks longer to decide who sucks less.

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by WebsterMark on 09/23/24 at 04:43:41 4F736E766B7E694B7A6E771B0 wrote: Let’s think about this… 1) The national debt increased by 8 trillion under Trump.  The most by any president.  He now promises to eliminate the debt.  Enjoy that kool-aid. His first presidency was entirely defined by cove it from a financial point of you, while I certainly would’ve liked to seen him handle things better I’m not going to throw a blanket over the entire thing without considering the circumstances on the ground regarding Covid. So that doesn’t concern me too much. 2) Trump tariffs on China started a global trade war and those higher tariffs got passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices and inflation.  But he’s going to stop inflation if elected.  Enjoy that kool-aid. The taxes the Harris administration is proposing would dwarf whatever effect tariffs have. On one hand, you can’t say see you fools, tariffs are immediately passed on to the consumer, and on the other hand, pretender by taxing the rich, and forcing them to pay their fair share is neutral. Of course, it’s not 3) If he can end the Ukraine/Russia war on Day 1, enjoy that kool-aid too.  Why doesn’t he pick up the phone and do it now? much like Mexico will pay for the wall, no I don’t believe he can end the war day one. I believe he will stop sending billions of dollars to a lost cause. I would not have been so heavily involved in Ukraine. The argument that if they marched through Ukraine , then next is against a NATO country. Find. Let them fight it out in Ukraine, let Europe send money. Then afterwards, if they attack a NATO country, they will be weaker and we can respond then. But I don’t see the value of spending billions now other than it’s a gift to a military suppliers. 4) Drill baby drill.  I’m fine with this.  I live in Texas.  But nobody beats OPEC at the price/production war game.  Easing tension in Israel and the Middle East would be a good thing, but there’s nothing to suggest it would impact OPEC and fossil fuel pricing and production in a meaningful way. I absolutely positively 100% disagree with that. Of course it will. You’re letting your hatred for Trump line your logic. I don’t like Harris, but Trump’s plan is hollow words and pandering. And I’m still waiting for Mexico to pay for the Wall.

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by WebsterMark on 09/23/24 at 04:46:18 6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote: 20% tariff on all imports will affect you a future Harris administration’s tax plans were affect me for more. Killing Obamacare will affect you or someone you care about I don’t think so. Handing over Ukraine to Putin will affect the world i if the world is that concerned, the whole world can get involved. Adding another 8 trillion to the deficit to give to rich billionaires will affect you, your children and grandchildren the ridiculous concept a future Harris administration would enact under this phrase, Opportunity economy,  would be far far worse. ... but you'll be safe from sharks in your gas powered boat

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by ThumperPaul on 09/23/24 at 05:23:35 I’m out.  No point in discussing things with people that know everything and have an excuse for why negative facts about the Trump term are what they are.  And then makes accusations that I hate someone.  Just because I disagreed with his policies and positions as President doesn’t mean I hate him.  My experience with this is that people that accuse others of hate are usually full of hate themselves and project that onto others as their weak defense. That said, people that actually like and support him often share his same personality defects.  What they usually won’t admit or say out loud is that they are voting for Trump to make America Great Again (white, racist, sexist, brash, dominating, me-culture, nationalists (not patriots)). Maybe the new slogan should be “MAHA” (Make America Hate Again).

Title: Re: Why vote for Trump? Post by WebsterMark on 09/27/24 at 03:17:58 360A170F1207103203170E620 wrote: I’m out. You’re out because you would have a very difficult time explaining yourself without just admitting you’re a member of a particular team just like I am. I’m a member of the red team, you’re a member of the blue team. You just don’t wanna admit you’re a member of the blue team, you would rather try to explain that your ideology is based on logic, and fact, instead of emotion. That’s not really necessarily true. We create emotions based upon many things and some of that is logic and fact, but after a certain point, it’s ingrained in us and we can’t see logical arguments against our position. I certainly have that weakness and while I try to recognize it and force myself not to fall in that  trap, I’m sure that I do. The difference is I admit it you can’t see it. It’s the ultimate example of can’t see the forest for the trees.  No point in discussing things with people that know everything and have an excuse for why negative facts about the Trump term are what they are.  And then makes accusations that I hate someone.  Just because I disagreed with his policies and positions as President doesn’t mean I hate him.  My experience with this is that people that accuse others of hate are usually full of hate themselves and project that onto others as their weak defense. You absolutely do hate Trump so don’t pretend otherwise and I know you don’t know me, but everyone who does would never, ever say i’m full of hate. Actually just the opposite. And there’s nothing wrong with saying you hate someone or something. Hate is not the opposite of love, that’s very important to understand. The opposite of love is selfishness, apathy, those are the opposites of love, not hate. That said, people that actually like and support him often share his same personality defects.  What they usually won’t admit or say out loud is that they are voting for Trump to make America Great Again (white, racist, sexist, brash, dominating, me-culture, nationalists (not patriots)). So if I understand your position, because I have a different political ideology than you, the only reason you can possibly understand for my point of view is that I am a racist, sexist, bigot? That’s a very simple low-level analysis that isn’t exactly an indication of someone who seems to present themselves in their other comments as a high level thinker above name-calling. But I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the new slogan should be “MAHA” (Make America Hate Again).

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