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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1729206275 Message started by JOG on 10/17/24 at 16:04:35 |
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Title: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by JOG on 10/17/24 at 16:04:35 https://rumble.com/v5j2a79-this-is-the-video-to-watch-if-you-dont-understand-tariffs.html?e9s=src_v1_upp I didn't know our cars were tariffed at 100%. The part about Tariff imports that we make in America. Cars,,Ohh yeah.. It's a tool to make others treat us better. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Eegore on 10/17/24 at 16:54:41 I didn't know our cars were tariffed at 100%. Either did anyone else because they aren't. EU tariffs average 8%. There are 10% on finished vehicles and 3.0 to 4.5% on the majority of parts. This can be verified in the Schedule B export codes from the International Trade Administration. https://www.trade.gov/automotive-motor-vehicle-tariff-codes NADA and CSIS confirm this as well. https://www.nada.org/media/3271/download?inline https://www.acea.auto/fact/fact-sheet-eu-us-automobile-trade/ https://www.acea.auto/files/ACEA-Pocket-Guide_2024-2025.pdf#page=36 This is a textbook reason why I don't use mainstream/social media for information. Every verifiable resource except this guy on the video say something completely different and it's backed by thousands and thousands of documents with real humans driving or working on real cars. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by JOG on 10/17/24 at 19:20:21 And I posted that expecting it to get fact checked. Don't get the idea I was convinced, and incensed,, Where Is the actual information? I wouldn't know how to start. Okay,, snot hard,, But, independent experts say, when it comes to selling cars in Japan, domestic automakers face as many regulatory challenges as their foreign rivals. In terms of tariffs, Japan has none, while the US does apply tariffs to cars brought into the US from Japan. It's not tariffs keeping American cars out of Japan, it's Japan itself. That is ONE source. Two sources. One says 100% tariffs. The other? Zero. Still,remove the Bullschitt, I think what was said about How to decide what to tariff made sense. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Eegore on 10/18/24 at 05:14:23 That is ONE source. Two sources. One says 100% tariffs. The other? Zero. 100% is wrong. Zero is correct for Japan, which makes the 100% claim even more wrong than for the EU. There is no blanket rate all other countries have decided to use for the US so there will be variances. Japan has almost zero consumers for US vehicles, thus zero tariff. Japan from and Administrative position is not keeping US cars out of Japan, it is primarily the customer. Of course Japanese automakers work against US imports through propaganda and red-tape as well so that drives consumer desire even lower. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by JOG on 10/18/24 at 05:33:29 And then, what he said about How to decide how to use tariffs to protect Our manufacturing and markets made sense to me. The clip is inaccurate, but only completely and horribly, in its Facts. However, being a guy trying to Learn stuff, it did offer some Thinking that I see as reasonable. Since tariffs are a bit of a Hot Button issue, I thought it would be good if we could all see them, not as a blanket good idea or blanket bad idea,but as a tool that can benefit America IF they are used intelligently. I would really like to see that guy get Fact Checked and offered the opportunity to explain why, if he's going to get up there and pump Tariffs are good And use facts that are Bullschitt. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Eegore on 10/18/24 at 05:38:56 Basically because his entire argument hinges on a completely inaccurate premise, so it makes his tariff evaluations hard to believe in. This is my opinion for anyone incapable of understanding what an opinion is. He is stating US imports/costs for automobiles are the in the state they are in because of 100% tariffs. So if we did the same then X-results would happen. How can he say this if none of it is true? Tariffs impact trade and economy pricing, but nowhere near the way he claims - again because none of the argument for why things are the way they are now is even close to being true. It's like me saying ALL cars cost 100k on up and that's why the used car market is pricing so high right now. Would you be ok with my economic evaluations on car pricing if my base argument was ALL cars cost 100k on up? |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by JOG on 10/18/24 at 06:22:33 Tariffs impact trade and economy pricing, but nowhere near the way he claims - Well, I heard what he said. It sounded reasonable to me. Putting tariffs on Stuff We make already Sounded good,, but I disagree with the idea that putting tariffs on Stuff We don't make Is a bad idea. I think that would tend to drive manufacturing here. again because none of the argument for why things are the way they are now is even close to being true. And I'm totally not understanding what you're saying here. How do you see tariffs? Like a tourniquet ? A dangerous tool that, due to circumstances, may be necessary? How should they be used? |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Eegore on 10/18/24 at 07:44:27 And I'm totally not understanding what you're saying here. I'm saying that his entire premise is based off a 100% tariff. Like he's saying that the current situation on US automobiles is due to the 100% tariff. Impossible. There is no 100% tariff. So the entire basis that tariffs being as they are now have caused the situation we are in, is fundamentally flawed because his scenario does not exist in the real world. What good does taking a tariff rate that never existed and use that false logic to proclaim an equal action (US import tariff of 100%) will result in what he says? How do you see tariffs? Like a tourniquet ? A dangerous tool that, due to circumstances, may be necessary? How should they be used? I think they are fluid an have different impacts depending on the item. Automobile tariffs impact the economy differently than Vodka tariffs. At one time our manufacturing export tariffs had an advantage, but as manufacturing exports reduced, so did the advantages of tariffs. At some point those had to be modified. This doesn't even take into account consumer demand, which further complicates things. I think tariffs are complex and need continual evaluation and change. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Serowbot on 10/18/24 at 08:40:23 Tariffs are a tool of precision, Trump, as usual, is using them as a wrecking ball ‘Off the charts’: How Trump tariffs would shock U.S., world economies https://finance.yahoo.com/news/off-charts-trump-tariffs-shock-013111202.html Former president Donald Trump is campaigning on the most significant increase in tariffs in close to a century, preparing an attack on the international trade order that would probably raise prices, hurt the stock market and spark economic feuds with much of the world. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by JOG on 10/18/24 at 09:01:28 Yeah,,the four years of Trump were just terrible.. Phht. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by MnSpring on 10/24/24 at 08:40:14 7151535B4651340 wrote:
Oh, so Canada, does not: “... imposes high dairy tariffs ranging from 201.5 percent to 313.5 percent. ...." |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Eegore on 10/24/24 at 09:26:16 Oh, so Canada, does not: “... imposes high dairy tariffs ranging from 201.5 percent to 313.5 percent. ...." Be careful not to fall over from all that SPIN. First - 201.5 is not 100. 313.5 is also not 100. So technically your question doesn't address what you are incorrectly implying I said. Second it should be very clear that we were discussing the false claim that US cars are tariffed 100% in Europe. This is a lie. I never claimed that there is no such thing as a 100% tariff on any known product in any nation on Earth. So to be specific for anyone incapable of understanding that JoG and I were talking specifically about the video he referenced and no other known video: I'm saying that his entire premise is based off a 100% tariff. Like he's saying that the current situation on US automobiles is due to the 100% tariff. Impossible. There is no 100% tariff... Specifically and only for US imported cars to Europe and only US cars to Europe, in exclusivity, meaning to exempt all other known products to any Nation on Earth and all other known numerical combinations outside of the exact and only sequence of 100.0 percent. So the entire basis that tariffs being as they are now have caused the situation we are in, is fundamentally flawed because his scenario and specifically his scenario with the exemption of all other known scenarios, to include completely unrelated tariff rates in Canada, does not exist in the real world. What good does taking a tariff rate that never existed - that rate being the one proposed in the video provided, and only the one in the video with the exemption of all other known scenarios of any kind for any product to include tariffs in Canada - and use that false logic to proclaim an equal action (US import tariff of 100%) will result in what he says? |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Serowbot on 10/24/24 at 10:15:58 Trump passed a mental cognition test so he must be brilliant :-? |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by thumperclone on 10/24/24 at 10:16:48 [quote author=0D382B33282F2B382E4A0 link=1729206275/0#9 date=1729267288]Yeah,,the four years of Trump were just terrible.. about time you realized that. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Serowbot on 10/24/24 at 10:21:04 Trump thinks other countries pay for tariffs Trump thinks little boys are getting their wieners removed surgically in elementary schools without parental consent Think about that He's a moron You want the country to be run by a moron Think :-? |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by WebsterMark on 10/24/24 at 10:30:20 Here’s a real life example from tariffs. My company was manufacturing products and shipping them into Brazil with a tariff of 30%. It got to the point where we were no longer price competitive and therefore profitable in that market so what did we do? We did not want to lose the opportunity in Brazil, so we built an entire manufacturing plant in Brazil. True story. So what does that mean for Brazil? It means jobs and a benefit to their economy. That’s what Trump is trying to say. If there are tariffs high enough that products are over priced, US businesses can come in and fill the gap. Does that happen every single time? Of course not, but the point is saying tariffs are terrible now that Trump is proposing them instead of Biden, is evidence of hyper partisanship, not amazing economic insight and understanding. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Eegore on 10/24/24 at 10:37:20 Of course not, but the point is saying tariffs are terrible now that Trump is proposing them instead of Biden, is evidence of hyper partisanship, not amazing economic insight and understanding. That's what I think as well. I can literally state any tariff rate and the positive or negative reaction will rely exclusively on who I said proposed them, not on what the percentage is or what it applies to. Of course it doesn't help when people go on TV claiming drastically incorrect rates to justify their logic. |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by MnSpring on 10/24/24 at 16:33:07 1636343C2136530 wrote:
A-Yep, 201.5 & 313.5 PERCENT, is More than 100 percent. Yet, you IMPLIED, that tariffs could not be over 100%. Then conveniently, explained, it was only about cars. Great !!! |
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Title: Re: A 3 minute clip about tariffs. Makes sense. Post by Eegore on 10/24/24 at 19:52:48 Yet, you IMPLIED, that tariffs could not be over 100%. You inferred that. I was clearly speaking about the 100% vehicle tariff. The references I provided to prove it, also has tariffs over 100% right in the data. In any case - the video JoG was referencing and I am only referencing that specific video is wrong. There is no 100% tariff. |
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