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Message started by WebsterMark on 10/30/24 at 05:27:02

Title: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/24 at 05:27:02

Based on RealClearPolitics poll which is an average of maybe 10 different polls, they show as of today Trump with 297. That’s based on a slight lead in several battleground states such as Pennsylvania. Take those out and they’re showing Trump at 219, Harris at 214 with 104 to close to call, but in those, 88 leaning Trump.

The thing I’m shocked about is the Republican turnout in early voting is far larger than expected.

Myself, I’m still am unsure which way this is going to go, but the fact most of the battleground states are leaning Trump tells me he’s the better bet right now.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Eegore on 10/30/24 at 05:41:41

Realclearpolitics also predicted Clinton by a landslide in 2016. They use the most ideal averaging system, but we've seen how that can go.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2016_president/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

Considering they are averaging, they rely on the accuracy of some pretty poor polling. But what else can we use? It's all guesswork, and even after votes are counted people are going to say it's wrong.

This is an opinion for anyone incapable of understanding what an opinion is.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by JOG on 10/30/24 at 07:09:07

Realclearpolitics also predicted Clinton by a landslide in 2016. They

I'm not even going to try to unpack the errors in understanding going on there.
I'll do a quick outline.

That was an attempt to create the perception she was ahead. Even Donna Brazeal Said after the big trip, hitting the towns,She has No Support. The polls were Bullschitt to create the illusion, so the Cheat wouldn't be obvious. They underestimated Trump's support, and didn't dial in enough cheat. Unlike the people here,they learned. And Dialed it Up in 20.

RCP isn't necessarily a participant in trying to create a false perception. If they use corrupted data, the outcome is corrupted.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Eegore on 10/30/24 at 07:38:56

RCP still uses the same methods as 2016. So if their method was impacted before, it can be impacted now. I have seen no indication they can reliable mitigate any of the strategies used to manipulate polls. So using them today is not really any different than using them in 2016.

This is my opinion for anyone incapable of understanding what an opinion is.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/24 at 07:59:13

5E6B78607B7C786B7D190 wrote:

I don’t think it was an attempt to create the impression she was ahead, I think they discovered their methodology was flawed.

Are some polls corrupted by purposeful bias? Are some polls corrupted by unconscious bias? Yes, absolutely but that’s the value of averaging.

Many legitimate pollsters were shocked at how deep Trump’s support in blue collar workers was.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by JOG on 10/30/24 at 09:15:18

The Reported polls were Bullschitt. She never Had that level of support. Ask Donna Brazeal.
If you were following the primaries you Watched them steal it from Bernie. I was in the shop,listening almost every day. Results came in,he had more votes, she was awarded more delegates. I watched it happen.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Serowbot on 10/30/24 at 13:55:27

This is the screwiest election I can remember

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by JOG on 10/30/24 at 22:05:23

4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:

This is the screwiest election I can remember

That you're unable to understand that Trump will deliver a better future for you is Screwy.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Serowbot on 10/31/24 at 06:45:23

Exit polls are showing women voting 55% to men 45%
Maybe a convicted felon and sexual predator vowing to protect women whether they like it or not is off-putting

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 11/01/24 at 04:21:43

If Trump loses, it very well could be due to women sticking together, but remember when Harris was running in a larger group, they laughed her out of the race. First one out as I recall, before Pocahontas. In this one on one election, many are choosing Harris because she’s not Trump.

To be completely fair, Trump won in 2016 partially because so many already had decided there was no way they were voting for Hilary.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by TheBabyDerp on 11/01/24 at 04:54:14

Women still feel the pain of this crappy economy too.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 11/01/24 at 10:22:58

Probably more so since there are more single parent women.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Serowbot on 11/01/24 at 11:29:03

Maybe they can't afford the burden of extra children

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 11/01/24 at 12:20:47

Then be responsible.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by JOG on 11/01/24 at 14:09:46

I saw a map. Wish I'd copied it and put it in here. It showed where more than half of the population is. It's Tight. The vast expansive nation,one color, and a few yellow areas, and those, mostly coastal areas,have sufficient numbers of people to Create the Popular vote.
That is what the electoral college is for. To allow the people who are spread thin to be represented.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Serowbot on 11/01/24 at 14:37:56

Let me spread you a super thin peanutbutter sandwich... 80 times thinner than normal. So thin the bread's still white
... but I'll charge you the same price :P

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 11/01/24 at 16:26:04

7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:

Let me spread you a super thin peanutbutter sandwich... 80 times thinner than normal. So thin the bread's still white
... but I'll charge you the same price :P

No idea what the hell you’re trying to say. English xxxx, you speak it?

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Serowbot on 11/02/24 at 07:18:04

Less is less
It shouldn't be treated as the same
One Wyoming vote equals eighty California votes in the Electoral College

One vote should equal one vote
The Electoral College was invented to give slave owners more voting power
You'll deny it, but that's a fact

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by LANCER on 11/02/24 at 07:32:23

What is the basis of the number of electors for each state based upon ?
It is based on the population of each state.
Then each state decided on how those electors were distributed.
The people of most states went with winner take all, with 2 choosing to split them among the candidates according to the percentage of votes they earned.
It is the democratic process.
Thats it.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 11/02/24 at 15:56:32

3A2C3B263E2B263D490 wrote:

Yes, I’m denying the way you said it. The Electoral College was influenced by many factors such as electing national leaders was rare. Some favored Congress picking the President, others didn’t. And yes, slavery was a key issue with the North negotiating slates down to 3/5 of a person instead of what the South wanted which was full representation.

Regardless how hard you crybaby leftist scream,the reality is the Electoral College has worked out very well.

Again, if you a one of 4 zebras living with 5 lions, do you want a majority wins voting system? No.

As far as electors, again, the land deserves a vote and over representation protects the small states.

Those are facts, not opinions.

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Serowbot on 11/03/24 at 05:58:16

Does it bother you at all that in your analogy I am a lion and you're a zebra?
That's not very MAGA

GRRRRRRRR! ;D

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by WebsterMark on 11/03/24 at 07:45:31

Does it bother me that so many are so foolish as to believe leftist, semi-socialist, communist nonsense especially fellow motorcycle riders? Yes, it does.

But minority viewpoints are often valid and need to be heard which is what the EC helps protect. The five largest metro areas in the US probably have 50 million people but maybe only a percent or two of the total land area (interesting statistics, I’m going to find the exact number) so the idea of letting urban voters in only five areas decide federal issues for 98% of the nation doesn’t seem right,

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by Serowbot on 11/03/24 at 08:05:13

The electoral college defines dirt as people
And the SCOTUS says corporations are people
And the MAGA define a zygote as a person (that can't vote)
Some are even reaching to define sperm as people by banning birth control

Just a thought
That's a lot of imaginary people :-?

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by MnSpring on 11/03/24 at 14:00:32

4553445941545942360 wrote:

"The electoral college defines dirt as people ...".

Where did you come up with THAT BUNK ??????

AND YOU BELIEVE IT !!!!!!

Title: Re: Electoral College
Post by JOG on 11/03/24 at 17:39:02

687E69746C79746F1B0 wrote:

The electoral college defines dirt as people

You might want to copy and paste the part where THEY say that.

And the SCOTUS says corporations are people
If they weren't considered a person, how could you sue them?
How would law apply?

And the MAGA define a zygote as a person (that can't vote)

If I've planted a garden and you dig it up before the plants break through the soil,
Did you or did you Not Kill my plants?

Some are even reaching to define sperm as people by banning birth control
Well,, stupidass people believe stupidass things.
I've never heard of anyone pushing that Bullschitt.

Another,, Bring the evidence moment.

Just a thought
That's a lot of imaginary people :-?

And you have quite the imagination.