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Title: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for 2025 Post by blod on 12/13/24 at 15:14:13 I found a new unused one in Ontario that was imported from the US 18 months ago. It's half the price of what I would have normally expected to pay, so I'm going for it. The Savage with it's low down torque will make a perfect sidecar rig. It's the modern equivalent of a Phelon and Moore Panther. There were still quite a few Panthers about when I was in my late teens, all of them had sidecars. Window cleaners used to love them. I even saw a yellow Automobile Association Panther once, it was bright yellow with a big box sidecar. http://https://i.imgur.com/wpRFZdth.jpg http://https://i.imgur.com/6opmyZkh.jpg I will make a subframe at home and bolt it together, then once I'm happy with it I will get a friend to weld it. It will be detachable. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by verslagen1 on 12/13/24 at 17:28:18 The 1 caution I would give you is concerning the swingarm, there has been at least 1 report of a crack at the passenger peg mount, so I would keep an eye on it. My take on it is the swingarm wasn't designed for side loads that you'll have with a sidecar. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/13/24 at 18:03:41 4A594E4F505D5B59520D3C0 wrote:
The rear footrest mount is totally useless for a sidecar mount, it moves up and down with the swinging arm. ;D I intend to make an independent subframe for the lower mounts. A subframe similar to this. http://https://i.imgur.com/hX5eyR3h.jpg |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by verslagen1 on 12/13/24 at 21:39:14 I didn't mean to imply anyone had mounted a sidecar to the swingarm with that in mind read my post again. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/14/24 at 03:33:38 594A5D5C434E484A411E2F0 wrote:
I would like to see that report, and especially pictures. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ThumperPaul on 12/14/24 at 05:40:18 I can’t wait to see this! The dog in the 2nd photo ready to hop in! :) I’m not sure how you intend to ride it, but I’d consider a big brake kit for up front. Stopping distance is already lackluster over 50mph without the added weight of a sidecar. Uphill in 5th gear could also pose some challenges (heck, just use 4th). Where’s the muffler gunna go so the passenger doesn’t die from carbon monoxide asphyxiation? Minor details…lol Git er dun! I wanna see this! |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/14/24 at 07:05:22 536F726A7762755766726B070 wrote:
I don't intend to ride it, only drive it. As for the front brake it would not bother me if it did not have one at all. As for the hills there are none to speak of for many miles, I live in the prairies. The exhaust will be the same as any other motorcycle 8-) PS it's still not a certainty that I will get it. I can't get a shipping quote till Monday at the earliest. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ohiomoto on 12/14/24 at 16:55:43 56585B50340 wrote:
I would like to see that report, and especially pictures. [/quote]------------------- No sidecar, but my swingarm cracked. http://https://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/PXL_20210715_012141240_2.jpg Here is the thread: https://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1624400028 And here is an older one regarding sidecars: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1242156051 PS, I drive my cars but ride my motorcycles and bicycles. IDK, driving things with two wheels is like driving a horse in my book. But you have a third wheel... ;) |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ThumperPaul on 12/14/24 at 17:00:26 696E6F696B697269060 wrote:
I would like to see that report, and especially pictures. [/quote]------------------- No sidecar, but my swingarm cracked. http://https://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/PXL_20210715_012141240_2.jpg Here is the thread: https://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1624400028 And here is an older one regarding sidecars: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1242156051[/quote] Ohiomoto - I have a good swingarm if you want it... Free just pay the shipping to you. Whoops - just read the other post... you had a spare already. good deal. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/14/24 at 19:29:52 Bloody hell ! I think I will be keeping an eye on the swinging arm with or without a sidecar. Thanks for the details. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/16/24 at 10:42:33 I just discovered that DMC Sidecars in Texas make mounts for the Suzuki Savage, there is a 6 week waiting period before they ship , and they want the money up front. The good news is that they only cost $950 ! LOL. I asked them for pics of what I would be getting but they refused, saying that if they sent pics people would use them to make their own,. I wonder why lol ;D. I will build my own for $100 or under. I have done it before the hard way, experience has shown me I was wasting my time. I can do a much neater and stronger job by welding directly to the frame, making sidecar removal and re attachment fast and easy. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by verslagen1 on 12/16/24 at 11:30:52 we want pics ;) |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/16/24 at 12:19:02 140710110E0305070C53620 wrote:
I will post pics but don't expect everything to happen quickly. I still don't have the sidecar, but I have accepted the shipping quote and told the seller I will be taking it. I will be keeping the little battery on the bike rather than having a big one in the sidecar trunk. It makes it easy to separate the sidecar from the bike, I just need a push fit connector on the bike for the sidecar lights. All being well I should be able to separate the bike from the sidecar and put it back again in about 20 minutes. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/21/24 at 07:45:53 I don't think the seller wants to ship the sidecar now, oh well, $hit happens but I'm far from beaten. Just found this in China.... $2100 FOB complete with the 200 cc bike. And it's a great sidecar ! It's virtually identical to the one I had until recently. http://https://i.imgur.com/soMjc0xh.jpg http://https://i.imgur.com/ZENRSjPh.jpg These are not certified for importation into North America, But I have a cunning plan ! 8-) |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ThumperPaul on 12/21/24 at 12:04:31 Pretty cool. Will Canada let you import it from China? I used to import little 49cc 2-stroke dirt bikes from China thru Alibaba. I could get those into the States without a problem, but anything bigger or street bike, was a big no way! Oh yeah, I did get a handful of 125cc dirt bikes into the country. Grandson still has one (beat to heck, but it still runs). |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/21/24 at 14:04:37 122E332B3623341627332A460 wrote:
That sidecar weighs 275 lbs, it is what I would call substantial. I can get the sidecar for not a lot of money. As sidecars are not classed as vehicles here they are unregulated. I can get them to send me a black one which would suit the Savage better. If I'm happy with it I will get a second one for my other bike. I'm amazed at how China has got industrialized and modernized, the things they make now and the quality is excellent. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ThumperPaul on 12/21/24 at 16:28:19 When you said "with 200cc bike", I thought you were talk about the entire bike w/sidecar. We could probably get just the sidecar here too. "Machine parts".... Yeah, 275lbs is definitely a substanial load! Go for it! |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/21/24 at 19:23:11 685449514C594E6C5D49503C0 wrote:
Yes I was talking about the entire motorcycle combination. Both the sidecar and the bike. The bike even has reverse gear and EFI but it's the sidecar I'm interested in. That is the best designed sidecar of all time, I think they are faultless. I wonder how much hassle it would be to get it certified ? http://https://i.imgur.com/KVt0jtBh.jpg http://https://i.imgur.com/RH0F2chh.jpg |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by Ruttly on 12/22/24 at 02:10:45 I seen 3 on Craigslist,Sacramento,motorcycle parts,sidecar (1 word in search box) Happy hunting. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/22/24 at 03:41:34 123534342C39400 wrote:
Thanks but I have seen them all, they are all overpriced and far away. I can't understand why there are so few sidecars for sale. I think it's impossible to find a better deal than getting one from China, + they don't complain about shipping or anything. They will bend over backwards to help everyway they can. I'm seriously thinking about getting two. I will look into the import procedure for a complete rig. Vehicle Inspection and Certification Your car will need to pass several inspections to confirm its compliance with Canada’s safety and environmental benchmarks. You might encounter: Safety standards inspection Emissions testing Transport Canada’s Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) conformity Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) certification for non-North American manufactures The goal is straightforward: ensuring that your vehicle is safe and clean for Canadian roads. Import Taxes and Duties Importing is not just about adhering to regulations; it also involves import taxes, duties, GST, and PST. The charges depend on your car’s value and origin. Consulting with customs authorities or professional customs brokers is advisable for precise information on your fiscal responsibilities. Choosing a Transport Method How do you want your car delivered to your new home? Sea freight offers one solution, while overland trucking provides another. Each choice comes with its own cost-benefit considerations. The best fit depends on your budget, timeline, and preferences. For a quote and expert guidance, look to logistics companies skilled in transporting cars to Canada. Conclusion While importing a car into Canada introduces you to a breadth of vehicle choices, it is a venture that demands diligent preparation. Stick to our guide, heed the rules, and call upon experts when in doubt, to make your importing experience seamless. Do you require further guidance? Our team at LCS (Logistics & Customs Services) is well-equipped to answer your queries and ensure a smooth transition for your vehicle onto Canadian roads. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ThumperPaul on 12/22/24 at 05:01:24 000E0D06620 wrote:
Thanks but I have seen them all, they are all overpriced and far away. I can't understand why there are so few sidecars for sale. I think it's impossible to find a better deal than getting one from China, + they don't complain about shipping or anything. They will bend over backwards to help everyway they can. I'm seriously thinking about getting two. I will look into the import procedure for a complete rig. Vehicle Inspection and Certification Your car will need to pass several inspections to confirm its compliance with Canada’s safety and environmental benchmarks. You might encounter: Safety standards inspection Emissions testing Transport Canada’s Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) conformity Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) certification for non-North American manufactures The goal is straightforward: ensuring that your vehicle is safe and clean for Canadian roads. Import Taxes and Duties Importing is not just about adhering to regulations; it also involves import taxes, duties, GST, and PST. The charges depend on your car’s value and origin. Consulting with customs authorities or professional customs brokers is advisable for precise information on your fiscal responsibilities. Choosing a Transport Method How do you want your car delivered to your new home? Sea freight offers one solution, while overland trucking provides another. Each choice comes with its own cost-benefit considerations. The best fit depends on your budget, timeline, and preferences. For a quote and expert guidance, look to logistics companies skilled in transporting cars to Canada. Conclusion While importing a car into Canada introduces you to a breadth of vehicle choices, it is a venture that demands diligent preparation. Stick to our guide, heed the rules, and call upon experts when in doubt, to make your importing experience seamless. Do you require further guidance? Our team at LCS (Logistics & Customs Services) is well-equipped to answer your queries and ensure a smooth transition for your vehicle onto Canadian roads. [/quote] Without getting into alphabet soup of Canadian and US government entities names, it’s the Federal level emissions and safety entities that are the biggest hurdles and then the certification steps and importation process itself. The logistics of importing, customs, and taxes is actually the easier part. The ECU on a fuel injected vehicle faces rigorous testing and quality requirements. The things are super expensive, but not because of the materials and technology - it’s the darn red tape. If you’re just trying to get a couple in the country and don’t plan on selling 1000s of them like a dealership or brand, you might consider sneaking a couple in as “machine parts”. From there, you could try to work with local authorities to get a “homemade vehicle” approved for the road. I’m not sure how it would work with an actual motorized vehicle. In Texas, we have a lot of homemade trailers and BBQ pit haulers running around that got a VIN assigned which then allows title and registration. In the custom chopper world, this is why you’ll see builders buying just a frame for the motorcycle - they want the VIN and clear title for registration purposes. Chop that frame down and only save the section with the VIN stamped in the frame. Yes sir officer, it’s a 1947 Harley Davidson that I restored. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/22/24 at 06:26:07 Without getting into alphabet soup of Canadian and US government entities names, it’s the Federal level emissions and safety entities that are the biggest hurdles and then the certification steps and importation process itself. The logistics of importing, customs, and taxes is actually the easier part. The ECU on a fuel injected vehicle faces rigorous testing and quality requirements. The things are super expensive, but not because of the materials and technology - it’s the darn red tape. If you’re just trying to get a couple in the country and don’t plan on selling 1000s of them like a dealership or brand, you might consider sneaking a couple in as “machine parts”. From there, you could try to work with local authorities to get a “homemade vehicle” approved for the road. I’m not sure how it would work with an actual motorized vehicle. In Texas, we have a lot of homemade trailers and BBQ pit haulers running around that got a VIN assigned which then allows title and registration. In the custom chopper world, this is why you’ll see builders buying just a frame for the motorcycle - they want the VIN and clear title for registration purposes. Chop that frame down and only save the section with the VIN stamped in the frame. Yes sir officer, it’s a 1947 Harley Davidson that I restored. I think you will most likely be correct. I might get away with it by importing bikes for off road use only. I am considering selling the sidecars and giving the bikes away. There are many vehicles offered for sale that are not certified for the road. I will look into it further :) |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/26/24 at 09:58:59 I paid for the sidecar today, it's a special order in" bright black" $1150 US FOB complete with everything . Shipping is guaranteed within 30 days. I'm looking forward to pairing it with the Savage with quick disconnect fittings, it will be a nifty little rig. 8-) |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ThumperPaul on 12/26/24 at 15:19:07 Merry Christmas to you! Pretty cheap! Have fun! Let’s see if the 30 day shipping happens. When I was importing dirt bikes by sea, the best time was about 10 weeks. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/26/24 at 17:56:23 122E332B3623341627332A460 wrote:
The 30 days was the time it will take to make it and get it shipped. Shipping time to Canada could well be another 10 weeks but that's ok I have all winter. I'm in the process of buying another CJ , and this one interests me a lot. They passed a law in China a while back making it illegal to drive any vehicle over 11 years old on the road. The CJ market has collapsed because of that. This is it>> http://https://i.imgur.com/ezSmJarh.jpg http://https://i.imgur.com/nCDXGh7h.jpg |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ThumperPaul on 12/26/24 at 19:04:59 That’s really cool. What are crazy law! So are you trying to import a CJ from China? The 30 days prep to ship makes more sense. 10-14 weeks is what all my big orders were taking on the slow boat from China. In fairness, that includes some delayed customs clearance in the US and then UPS freight transportation from Los Angeles to Houston. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/27/24 at 02:37:55 Yes I am trying to import a CJ from China. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by ohiomoto on 12/27/24 at 04:36:59 6A64676C080 wrote:
Is that for just the sidecar or does that include the bike? |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/27/24 at 04:44:54 7C7B7A7C7E7C677C130 wrote:
Is that for just the sidecar or does that include the bike? [/quote] Just the sidecar and fittings, only a black one rather than green |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/28/24 at 04:53:19 Videos showing Savage 650's with sidecars are few and far between. When I eventually get mine sorted I will make a full length one. A stock looking one.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an_bINlTc_k&t=2s Here is a heavily modified one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbuTXjslggU |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/29/24 at 05:14:46 I told a good friend that I want to import a CJ from China, now he wants one too. He already found the bike he likes the look of, he just needed a video of it running before he pulled the trigger. https://youtube.com/shorts/iJebd13ImmI? Seems to run fine :) I have just asked for a video of this one. Hopefully I will have it soon. The Chinese love Nazi WW2 stuff and especially the SS. I don't think they have a clue what it's about though, they just think it looks cool. LOL http://https://i.imgur.com/4gh3gHWh.jpg http://https://i.imgur.com/CFOdZx8h.jpg |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by Ruttly on 12/29/24 at 05:34:25 That BMW has got the look ! She is a bada$s ride ! |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 12/29/24 at 05:42:31 It's a made in China BMW. I don't like the OHV engine. If I buy it I will get a side valve engine for it |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 02/05/25 at 10:26:11 I'm told the sidecar for the Savage will be leaving Shanghai China for Vancouver Canada tomorrow. The complete outfit shown below should be shipped in approximately 60 days. http://https://i.imgur.com/iXloYDFl.jpg I will get rid of the flashers and make some other minor alterations to it when it arrives. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by TheBabyDerp on 02/06/25 at 05:06:25 I look forward to seeing this project. I went to the Philippines a few times. One of the most common form of transportation there is called a trike. In reality, they are taking motorcycles and adding massive side cars that can fit 2-4 adults, depending on if there is reversed seats. If you have the time, google images search for "Philippines trike". I would love to build a trike like this in the US. I don't even know where to begin. It's crazy to think that they move these around with 125 to 150cc. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 02/06/25 at 10:59:31 6F737E797A79627F7E696B1B0 wrote:
Yes I have seen pictures the sidecars they have out there. The man who will be helping me join the sidecar to my Savage is from the Philippines. He has made many " trikes' in the past. It's nice to have someone one the team who knows what he is doing. Only last week he told me most people there use 125 or 150cc bikes, but if you have a 200 your are a weathy man. :) Hauling the weight is not really a problem, it's the wind resistance that slows them down. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by TheBabyDerp on 02/06/25 at 11:28:16 36383B30540 wrote:
That's sweet. What part of Canada are you in? I know there's a few Filipino communities spread out up there. Filipinos are pretty well connected. I believe my fiance has a friend in Canada. Oh for sure. Even if the bike was free most couldn't afford the increase in gas usage. The largest bike I saw in the Philippines was a Vulcan 650S. Which is funny, because that is still considered a small beginners bike here, but MASSIVE over there. We had rented a PCX 160. That thing is fast on them streets and pretty large. Felt like I had way more room than a Savage. We went to a few countries. In Cambodia, we rode around in TukTuks (Rickshaws). Way more comfortable than the trikes in the Philippines. Way cheaper too. Half my rides were about $1 to $1.50. Could order one on an app like uber so convenient. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 02/06/25 at 13:31:51 465A575053504B56574042320 wrote:
That's sweet. What part of Canada are you in? I know there's a few Filipino communities spread out up there. Filipinos are pretty well connected. I believe my fiance has a friend in Canada. Oh for sure. Even if the bike was free most couldn't afford the increase in gas usage. The largest bike I saw in the Philippines was a Vulcan 650S. Which is funny, because that is still considered a small beginners bike here, but MASSIVE over there. We had rented a PCX 160. That thing is fast on them streets and pretty large. Felt like I had way more room than a Savage. We went to a few countries. In Cambodia, we rode around in TukTuks (Rickshaws). Way more comfortable than the trikes in the Philippines. Way cheaper too. Half my rides were about $1 to $1.50. Could order one on an app like uber so convenient. [/quote] I'm in Saskatchewan. Tagalog ( Filipino ) is ranked second most common language. There are no cultural enrichment problems. |
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Title: Re: It looks like I will be getting a sidecar for Post by blod on 02/20/25 at 03:53:09 http://https://i.imgur.com/PHQ1HoLh.png Eventually ! Ships tomorrow. |
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