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Title: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/23/25 at 17:33:26 There's a few leftards who Ottsta HaftaBe the Host to a few of these people. I'd say 60 days. IF you survive,, then I'd really like to hear why America is better off because biden opened the border. https://gellerreport.com/2025/01/ice-arrests-irate-haitian-gang-member-murder-and-rape-suspects-in-boston-f-k-trump-biden-forever.html/ |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Serowbot on 01/24/25 at 08:41:21 Trump literally thinks asylum seekers come from lunatic asylums in other countries This is a degree of stupid boggles the mind He thinks the noise windmills make causes cancer and makes whales suicidal He thinks other countries pay the tariffs he imposes [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU[/media] |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/24/25 at 08:52:32 5741564B53464B50240 wrote:
And UL, Socialist's, FDS, Woke DFI's believe, NO, Illegal, Killers, Lying, Cheating, Stealing, NON Tax paying, Gimmie,Gimmie Gimmie, exist among the, 'immigrants'. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Serowbot on 01/24/25 at 09:38:47 Sure we do ::) Tell it to the windmills |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/24/25 at 13:12:20 Science AND Observed Performance SAY the windmills are not a viable replacement for power plants. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by thumperclone on 01/24/25 at 14:41:21 6C594A52494E4A594F2B0 wrote:
they were never meant to be replacements |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/24/25 at 16:50:40 6356455D4641455640240 wrote:
They’re not a viable replacement, they’re cash cows for the owners subsidized by you and me. And when they wear out, they’re made from materials very difficult to recycle. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/24/25 at 18:25:27 7B677A627F6A7D6C6360616A0F0 wrote:
they were never meant to be replacements [/quote] Seriously? Then WTF are they? Why have I WATCHED power plants be shut down All Around me as those stupidass windmills were going up? |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/24/25 at 19:58:33 Wind power as a "replacement" depends entirely on your stance in regard to wind power. Wind power can not supplement "power plant" power on a 1 to 1 ratio so obviously you need a lot more space and turbines to "replace" a "power plant". At most a reasonable human would expect wind power to supplement "power plant" energy by means of alternative production. Complete and total replacement is a long way off if one has no bias about the politics behind energy production, but it's "proven" to be sufficient if one likes wind power, and it will "never" be enough if one does not like wind power. Historical large power companies have lobbied and structured contracts to leverage their income and interests, and "green" energy does the same. Since "green" energy is newer, they basically over-promise since there is a pretty short historical record of the productivity in their lifespans. The real question is why do some humans blame wind turbines for not providing enough power on grids they are not even connected to. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/24/25 at 21:51:32 I can't condemn it if I'm not connected. Got it. No girl thingy No opinion on abortion. NEW RULE! No kids? You HAVE no Stake in the future. No vote. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/25/25 at 05:41:07 I can't condemn it if I'm not connected. Got it. Not at all what I said. Not even close. What has happened is blaming TX power outages on "frozen" wind turbines when they aren't even on some of the effected grids. Because a politician said so. Does it make sense that working fully functional wind turbines would assist on grids they aren't even connected to? NEW RULE! Blame any power outage on anything you want, even if it isn't part of the power grid! Have kids? Tell them wind power is why their tablets can't charge even though your house is hooked exclusively to coal-fired power. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/25/25 at 07:46:14 426260687562070 wrote:
Then - "... Not at all what I said. ..." in reply to: "... can't condemn it if I'm not connected..." Yes it is. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/25/25 at 07:50:38 Then - "... Not at all what I said. ..." in reply to: "... can't condemn it if I'm not connected..." Yes it is. I never said a human must be "connected" to anything to condemn it. Nothing about my post indicates a human can only condemn a power source if they are "connected" to that power source. This is nothing more than the usual over-reactive nonsense. A human can condemn murder without actually having a connection to murder. My question is how can wind turbines that are not connected to a specific power grid be blamed for not providing power to that power grid. No human needs to be "connected" to wind turbine power to discuss that. The question is how do wind turbines provide power to a grid that the wind turbine is not connected to. You do not have to have power connections of any kind to discuss this. NEW RULE! Humans can discuss things they are not connected to! Have kids? Nobody cares, you can still condemn anything you want. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/25/25 at 07:54:04 Please explain; ... why do some humans blame wind turbines for not providing enough power on grids they are not even connected to ... Then why "...Nothing about my post indicates a human can only condemn a power source if they are "connected" to that power source..." OH I get it, It was a, 'inference'. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Serowbot on 01/25/25 at 07:57:32 Does your air fryer replace your oven? No But it cooks many many things at half the time and half the cost Should you ignore it because it it doesn't replace your oven for everything? We are a motorcycle site Should you sell your bike because it can't replace your car? Does everything have to replace everything for everything? Are you a sane person? |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/25/25 at 07:59:10 Please explain; ... why do some humans blame wind turbines for not providing enough power on grids they are not even connected to ... The wind turbine. How can a wind turbine provide power to a grid it is not connected to? Why do some humans blame wind turbines for not providing power to a grid that they are not connected to? The wind turbine is frozen. It is on a power grid I am not connected to. I have no power connections, I live off candlelight. I blame the wind turbine being frozen for not providing power to a power grid it is not connected to. I am not connected to that, or any other power grid of any kind. I condemn wind power because it is "frozen" and is not providing power to a grid that it could never provide power to because the wind turbine is not connected to the power grid that has lost power. I can condemn a power source that I am not connected to. I am condemning it even though it doesn't even provide power to the grid that it is not connected to, nor am I. Why? What sense does that make. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/25/25 at 08:01:11 2E382F322A3F32295D0 wrote:
It is what the WOKE, FDS, DFI, Socialists say ! |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/25/25 at 08:50:48 5474767E6374110 wrote:
And now Ladies and Gentleman, We will be MOVING, the Goal Posts ! |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by buster6315 on 01/25/25 at 09:28:16 Who cares if it is not connected to your power grid? They're producing power. Power baby! Like electric autos, they leaving more gas for the rest of us to burn. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Serowbot on 01/25/25 at 10:18:32 75566B484A51565F380 wrote:
It is what the WOKE, FDS, DFI, Socialists say ! [/quote] I guess so What do idiots say? |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/25/25 at 10:49:42 And now Ladies and Gentleman, We will be MOVING, the Goal Posts ! Or it is exactly what I said the first time: The real question is why do some humans blame wind turbines for not providing enough power on grids they are not even connected to. How could they? They aren't connected. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/25/25 at 10:52:04 Who cares if it is not connected to your power grid? JOG and MnSping apparently. I didn't say "Your" power grid. I said wind turbines and the grid they are connected to. How can they be blamed for not providing enough power to grid segments they aren't connected to? |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/25/25 at 14:14:29 5774496A6873747D1A0 wrote:
And now Ladies and Gentleman, We will be MOVING, the Goal Posts ![/quote] [ch128514][ch128514][ch128514][ch128514][ch128514][ch128514] My imagination is So wild. I See the ripped up dirt, the destruction of the posts, excellent post,, mobile as it must be. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/25/25 at 14:43:36 My imagination is So wild. I See the ripped up dirt, the destruction of the posts, excellent post,, mobile as it must be. So as you read my post I said turbines that You are connected to? How can turbines that are not connected to a power grid provide positive or negative impact? The real question is how can a human claim "frozen" wind turbines aren't providing enough power to a grid they are not connected to. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by thumperclone on 01/26/25 at 04:15:16 don't forget they cause cancer |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/26/25 at 06:09:15 Let me return to this post: They’re not a viable replacement, they’re cash cows for the owners subsidized by you and me. And when they wear out, they’re made from materials very difficult to recycle. Windmills have a roll to play in the nation’s energy production, but if based on production reality alone, they are a niche supply. They are not generally financially viable on their on and the massive disposal costs in the future is something all of us will pay for. Without a massive and viable energy storage platform, wind and solar can never be the sole energy supplier. Data centers companies are investing in small modular nuclear power sources which is an indication they’re very aware this is the case. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Serowbot on 01/26/25 at 07:51:37 and we all look forward to "small modular nuclear" Chernobyls popping up around the country and "small modular nuclear" waste sites and eventual leaks into water supplies |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/26/25 at 08:34:27 495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:
A other ‘DRIVE BY’, LOLOLOLOOL Take 50 indecent 60 Watt light bulbs, at 3,000 Watts. Replace that with, 50 LED light bulbs, at (average 11 Watts for same light) at 550 Watts. SAVING, 2450 Watts, (About per house on just lights) +.more with all the new appliances using less Watts. That is to help supply the [TREMENDOUS demand/needs, for Chip Plants, Bitcoin mining, and Elect Car, recharge stations. It is NOT to ‘save the planet’. Windmills, and the very vast amount of photovoltaic, is nothing but a scam. They BOTH, cost MORE to, Manufacture/Install/Fix/Maintain/Replace, then they can EVER make ! |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/26/25 at 08:36:49 193A0724263D3A33540 wrote:
A other ‘DRIVE BY’, LOLOLOLOOL Take 50 indecent 60 Watt light bulbs, at 3,000 Watts. Replace that with, 50 LED light bulbs, at (average 11 Watts for same light) at 550 Watts. SAVING, 2450 Watts, (About per house on just lights) +.more with all the new appliances using less Watts. That is to help supply the [TREMENDOUS] demand/needs, for Chip Plants, Bitcoin mining, and Elect Car, recharge stations. It is NOT to ‘save the planet’. Windmills, and the very vast amount of photovoltaic, is nothing but a scam. They BOTH, cost MORE to, Manufacture/Install/Fix/Maintain/Replace, then they can EVER make ! [/quote] |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Serowbot on 01/26/25 at 08:56:06 Did you just indecently quote yourself? :-? |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/26/25 at 14:05:52 Didn't do it intently. However. It looks like you DID READ it. Unlike "Such an audacious claim" first post ! Just for you, here is a third time, Just for you Windmills, and the very vast amount of photovoltaic, are nothing but a scam. They have nothing to do with, saving the planet’. They BOTH, cost MORE to, Manufacture/Install/Fix/Maintain/Replace, then they can EVER make ! |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by thumperclone on 01/26/25 at 17:32:01 NOT FACTUAL they both have pay back |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Eegore on 01/26/25 at 18:22:17 Solar used to be up for debate but the manufacturing cost has gone down so much, and there are enough still producing that the production is finally under-cost. Unless... you calculate in the batteries. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by thumperclone on 01/27/25 at 05:24:53 2 types of solar systems grid tied [no batteries] stand-alone[batteries] grid tied has a quicker pay back and may have incentives and/or tax breaks depending on the utility company |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/27/25 at 06:56:52 0727252D3027420 wrote:
In another life, I think it’s been 18 years ago, I work for a company that supplied key materials for energy storage systems under development. Two of the systems were the leading candidates at the time. I did a lot of studying up on energy storage and was fortunate enough to travel to Japan to discuss supplying our key product line and also to another technology located in Vancouver. 18 years later, these are very minor niche suppliers in the energy storage system today. Energy storage in the size needed to make solar and wind a regular part of the energy grid do not exist at this point economically and people have been working on this for two or three decades with no success. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by Serowbot on 01/27/25 at 07:30:00 Demand drives innovation |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/27/25 at 07:57:59 607C617964716677787B7A71140 wrote:
Please tell all of us, What is the cost : To take down Windmill blades ? To cut them up to size to transport on the road ? To dig a HUDGE hole in the ground to place them ?, (Because they can NOT BE RECYCLED) Why in the, ‘windmill farms’, 40 to 50 % are NOT Moving ? Why, 10% are BLACK from fire “ How many GALLONS of oil it takes to run them ? Where does that OIL come from ? What is the cost to remove photovoltaic panels ? (Which are classed as, “ hazardous waste”, MATERIAL ?) “If a solar panel will be disposed, the generator must make a hazardous waste determination and, if the panel is hazardous, it must be managed under the hazardous waste requirements in 40 CFR Parts 262 through 268.’ “solar panels are not covered by the shredded circuit board exclusion to the definition of solid waste’ “shredded and put into a product that is placed on the land) would be considered a solid waste,’ And on and on and on and on. All of the, still Experimental, solar/wind creation of elect, Is STILL NOT, a viable option, Perhaps someday it will be, BUT NOT TODAY !!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/27/25 at 08:31:30 697F68756D78756E1A0 wrote:
I agree, necessity is the mother of invention. There’s plenty of demand. But there are certain physical laws we can’t easily get around and energy storage is stuck right now. They’re working very hard but they’ve made only incremental progress. Elon Musk swears his batteries good work but plenty of other people have use simple math to show that that’s a dream, it can’t work. The cost would be prohibitive. That’s why big data center companies are investing in small modular nuclear reactors because it’s proven technology and with a few tweaks they can make it work for those facilities. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by thumperclone on 01/27/25 at 08:45:18 it was 66 years from the first powered flight to the first moon landing innovation takes time todays I want it now mentality needs patience |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/27/25 at 09:00:10 4A564B534E5B4C5D5251505B3E0 wrote:
ABSOLUTELY , and Solar/Wind, are, NOT THEIR YET !!! 4A564B534E5B4C5D5251505B3E0 wrote:
What the 'F', did Harris say that ???????? |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/27/25 at 09:46:09 2E382F322A3F32295D0 wrote:
That is true. However, for government to Decide for the people that they Will develop the technology and the people pay for it WHILE it is inefficient and in many ways Counter To the Stated Purpose FOR the change, namely, being good for the environment, that is not how things are supposed to be. All the mining, the particular elements, it's Not even close. The toxic crap that is in the windmills and solar panels is problematic. Add all of that to the Very debatable Need for the whole Green movement and I don't agree with any of it. If someone sees a market and they can develop and provide a product, great, go for it. For the goobs to demand it? Pound sand. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/27/25 at 12:19:24 263A273F223720313E3D3C37520 wrote:
And how long from the moon landing until we got to Mars? At least 50 years. That’s what I mean by technology can make great gains early on, but then the law of diminishing returns always comes in the play, and it gets more and more difficult. We made great technological leaps in energy storage early on, but then like everything, each increase gets incrementally more difficult. Unless there’s some kind of absolutely amazing, stunning development, sufficient energy storage is likely to be prohibitively expensive making it from a practical point of view, not a viable solution. They’ve been working on this for long before I dabbled in it so I’m guessing 25 or 35 years? Look how long we’ve been trying to make an electric car viable enough to replace gas engines. They’re not there yet. Realistically speaking maybe not even a fourth or a half of the way there at best. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/27/25 at 12:41:19 todays I want it now mentality needs patience EXACTLY! The Goobs and the Leftards need to Siddown, Shaddup and ALLOW THE MARKET to develop. Demanding the technology BE is wrong.. Thank YOU for seeing that. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/28/25 at 03:43:13 Part of this is because fewer and fewer people understand how the sausage is actually made when it comes to mechanical devices. They have absolutely no idea. And throw in a little hyper partisanship when it comes to green energy, climate, change, NetZero, etc. and then you get these pie in the sky dreams. New York still thinks it’s going to be 100% NetZero green energy by something like 2050 or something. that’s never going to happen. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/28/25 at 03:46:39 Here’s a perfect example of what I just typed. I clicked over to real clear energy and there was this article about a big salmon and avocado. Left us would just as soon Africans create energy by using pedal power generators or some thing. I think the time has come for Africa to say enough. “Later this month, African leaders and policymakers will gather at Dar es Salaam, Tanzania – East Africa’s most populous city – for the highly anticipated “Mission 300 Africa Energy Summit.” Mission 300 is an initiative to provide electricity to 300 million Africans by 2030. Success would have profound implications for a continent that has more than 600 million lacking basic access to electricity and millions more with unreliable power supplies that stifle economic development. However, summit supporters – the World Bank and African Development Bank – have opposed fossil fuel projects in the recent past. Meeting the Mission 300 objective will require Africa’s heads of state to be bold – and unyielding – in pressing their intentions to utilize hydrocarbons to generate electricity. Africa’s Time to Prosper For too long, African nations have been caught between climate commitments that discourage the use of fossil fuels and a desperate need for the reliable energy that coal, oil and natural gas provide. The time has come for African leaders to unapologetically embrace their natural resources and chart a course that prioritizes citizens' needs over a vacuous international agenda based on pseudoscience and power politics.” |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/28/25 at 08:26:40 7B4E5D455E595D4E583C0 wrote:
I hope TC didn't miss that. Hell, I hope no-one missed it. You said it yourself TC. The I want it NOW mentality is a real problem. And YOU are exactly what you are talking about. Take your own advice. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/28/25 at 08:45:02 WEB About your post. I understand that in Africa Lotsa people are Without. Electricity, clean water, food, just Without. My question is Why? Wasn't that continent populated a really long time ago? Is it lacking essential natural resources? Like iron ore?. How did industrialization so miss that continent? Okay, looked it up Africa has a large quantity of natural resources, including diamonds, sugar, salt, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, petroleum, natural gas and cocoa beans, but also tropical timber and tropical fruit. So, WTF? What is missing from the equation? Who has the balls to say it? |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/28/25 at 09:00:48 Africa has massive amounts of natural resources. But it’s been entrenched in warfare not just between countries but within countries, warlords, and the such. I know a missionary who spent years in Rwanda, and I also know two families whose daughter went into the Peace Corps and spend time in Africa and according to them, the cultural differences are enormous. Way more and way more entrenched than we can possibly understand here. I’ve not been there or experienced it myself, but just viewing the history in Africa since I’ve been alive, I’m not sure how they can band together. It would be a monumental achievement of somewhere were able to pull that off. I feel like the major players in the world have avoided it honestly because there’s lower hanging fruit elsewhere. China has made massive inroads into Latin America (trumps right about China and the panama canal by the way but seemingly have skipped over Africa entirely. And because they’re so poor and disorganized, anti-human climate, change wackos are determined to keep them inslaved in property forever. That’s what the point of that article was. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/28/25 at 09:48:45 But,I've been Told we're all the same. After the thousands of years, shouldn't they have stopped hating each other so much? Sounds like some kinda systemic racism in there. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/28/25 at 10:14:16 I wonder if it’s accurate to think about large portions of Africa as being somewhat similar to the Indian tribes across North America before “Manifest destiny“. I don’t know why they were left behind or the entire continent was unable to follow others into the modern world. But the amount of money and resources that has been poured into that continent, just in my lifetime, is staggering, yet I don’t think anybody would say the return on investment has been satisfactory. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/28/25 at 10:26:13 And, in spite of what Is Observed I am TOLD that If I entertain the notion that The People who populate that continent are in any way somehow Not Like Me I'm evil. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by MnSpring on 01/28/25 at 11:42:35 6055465E4542465543270 wrote:
Eag Zact Lee !!!!!!! But Shhhhhh, |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/28/25 at 14:22:38 No. I've been stating what is in opposition to what the brainwashed and gas lighted say for a long time. I have no reason to change course. My statements on DEI and Racism are solid. My OBSERVATIONS regarding Africa are not unreasonable. Where are the skyscrapers? The airports? I Know Africa is somewhat hobbled by a coastline that that doesn't naturally offer much in the way of harbors for transporting freight, but in the years Africa has existed, they could have built ports. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/28/25 at 15:43:02 7E4B58405B5C584B5D390 wrote:
I think it’s just incredibly difficult to break free of cultural norms that have been built and almost ingrained in their DNA that are inherently damaging to their society. Look where Europe and the US & Canada are from a prosperity point of view compared to Latin and South America and then another step down to Africa. The differences could be explained by a point I made once before which is Christianity in Europe, which then spread to the New World, is most likely the key difference between the development of more civilized and prosperous societies vs those where Christianity wasn’t the dominant religion. Could that be it? I’d say it’s a high probability. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/28/25 at 21:12:29 Breakin free of brainwashing and cultural Pressures to Only Say what They SAY we are allowed to say. Yeah, FukkDat. Are there breeds of horses? Do they have Different capabilities and General Temperaments? How about dogs? But I'm Supposed to pretend that the Various Breeds of Humans are all equal? Yeah,FukkOff |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by WebsterMark on 01/29/25 at 04:19:58 Yes, you are supposed to believe that. I’ve seen no exact scientific evidence to prove otherwise. The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced it was the widespread acceptance of Christianity in Europe, and then the US and by default Canada and to a lesser degree Mexico, that allowed prosperity to thrive. |
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Title: Re: In a Right world Post by JOG on 01/29/25 at 05:15:57 Yes, you are supposed to believe that. I’ve seen no exact scientific evidence to prove otherwise. I remember when the scientific evidence was not available to show the correlation between smoking and lung cancer. Everyone who didn't have their head up their a55 knew. We are Not the same. |
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