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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> How does it even exist?? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1738755547 Message started by JOG on 02/05/25 at 03:39:07 |
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Title: How does it even exist?? Post by JOG on 02/05/25 at 03:39:07 Will it continue to exist? Suppose anyone gets prosecuted? Excerpt Acacia Center for Justice, based in Washington, D.C., is one of the largest federal immigration contractors, overseeing a $769 million program that provides lawyers for unaccompanied alien children and adults in immigration court hearings and deportation proceedings. The group says its aim is to provide due process rights for illegal aliens. But it also calls for a radical upheaval of the immigration and deportation system—goals that are starkly at odds with the Trump administration's objectives. https://freebeacon.com/politics/no-immigrant-should-be-detained-says-left-wing-nonprofit-with-769-million-federal-immigration-contract/ |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by LANCER on 02/05/25 at 04:29:57 Well, entering the US unlawfully IS a felony, so adult “illegal aliens”, and will be removed. The US will try to find the children and their parents as well if it’s possible. If the parents are found and illegal, then the family will be sent back to their country. This was stated by Trump. I’m not sure about children whose parents cannot be found, perhaps be put up for adoption here. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by thumperclone on 02/05/25 at 05:01:19 you have the right to representation if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by WebsterMark on 02/05/25 at 05:19:31 5B475A425F4A5D4C4340414A2F0 wrote:
That applies to US citizens. You know those people “subject to the jurisdiction thereof“. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by thumperclone on 02/05/25 at 05:28:21 so, a non-citizen doesn't have to obey our laws?? |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Eegore on 02/05/25 at 05:30:15 That applies to US citizens. You know those people “subject to the jurisdiction thereof“. According to the SCOTUS on multiple occasions "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" applies to any human where a US law can be enforced and not just US citizens. Diplomatic immunity being an exception - since US law is not enforced on them. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by JOG on 02/05/25 at 06:52:21 534F524A574255444B484942270 wrote:
But the left have that whole Nuance thing down and we are just obtuse compared to leftards. Of Course they are expected to stop at red,lights. No,they can't just walk in and rob a bank without Our laws applying. They don't have the rights and protections CITIZENS have. They have no legal relationship with America. I wonder how you leftards would respond to coming home and discovering a woman who just dropped her bambino in your living room. You'd adopt them, right? I don't believe you actually Believe the things you say actually make sense. Ok, maybe you do,, but that is just scary so I'm Really trying to believe you aren't as idiotic as you would have to be if you actually don't grasp such an obvious point. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Eegore on 02/05/25 at 08:10:12 The SCOTUS ruled once humans set foot on US soil they get legal representation. That's why GITMO detainees have lawyers if they were moved from US soil to Cuba, but they do not have to do the same if the detainee was intercepted in international waters. They later expanded representation rights. That's why all those terrorists had lawyers. https://www.southcom.mil/Portals/7/Documents/Joint_Task_Force_Guantanamo_Attorney_Access_to_Detainees_Aug2023.pdf?ver=QF5TYASOJLj33-ane38uVg%3D%3D#:~:text=Attorney%20Access%20to%20GTMO%20Detainees&text=All%20detainees%20have%20been%20informed,as%20counsel%20for%20the%20detainee. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Serowbot on 02/05/25 at 08:18:04 As a felon 34 times over, Trump should know the rules |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by thumperclone on 02/05/25 at 09:26:49 They don't have the rights and protections CITIZENS have. They have no legal relationship with America. ^ that is a KKK tenant 4th, 5th, other amendments apply to 'persons' key word being person not citizen due process is for all do some reading |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by WebsterMark on 02/05/25 at 10:06:59 1F3F3D35283F5A0 wrote:
I confess, I did not know there was a supreme court ruling on this. Frankly, I’m a little bit surprised. I feel like there must be more to the story. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Eegore on 02/05/25 at 10:38:08 I confess, I did not know there was a supreme court ruling on this. Frankly, I’m a little bit surprised. I feel like there must be more to the story. The SCOTUS ruled humans "born" on US soil are subject to US jurisdiction. Like any court case people will try to find a workaround to a ruling, that's just how complex language and law works. Bottom line is the SCOTUS has yet to rule that humans born on US soil are not US Citizens if their parents are immigrants, legal or not. https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-wong-kim-ark affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens Chief Justice Melville Fuller dissented and stated that as Chinese citizens, Wong's parents had a duty to the emperor of China, and the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, barred them from becoming U.S. citizens. But that was the dissenting not ruling opinion. People will conveniently leave that part out and literally cite a losing case statement as evidence, which is completely ridiculous. That's like saying a guy was innocent of murder and citing his defense lawyer that lost the case. The Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States In Plyer V Doe, 1982, Justice William Brennan clearly states: The understanding that the protection of the Fourteenth Amendment extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into every corner of a State’s territory. That's a winning-side quote, and as such provided SCOTUS precedent that illegal immigrants are "subject to the jurisdiction" which is why TX can not deny illegal immigrants access to a public school. This is also a SCOTUS precedent that even illegal immigrants are subject to jurisdiction and as such their children born on US soil are subject to the 14th. This doesn't mean I agree with it. It just means I can read and accept information I do not agree with, instead of manipulating it to mean something it does not. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by JOG on 02/05/25 at 11:00:04 SCOTUS has been Wrong before. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Eegore on 02/05/25 at 11:10:08 SCOTUS has been Wrong before. Sure but US law works because it doesn't cherry pick what is right or wrong based off the opinion of whos in the room at the time. Trump can't just declare a SCOTUS ruling "wrong" and override it any more than Biden could. We may not like the decision but we are looking at totalitarian regime if we ignore all laws the POTUS thinks is wrong and replace them with what he thinks is right. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by JOG on 02/05/25 at 11:19:17 We'll see. An illegal alien dropping a baby isn't a citizen. Idiots in robes can't tell me it is.You are free to accept whatever. I'm not so easy to gaslight. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by thumperclone on 02/05/25 at 12:10:40 I'm not so easy to gaslight.[/quote] inability to accept written FACT |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Eegore on 02/05/25 at 12:40:59 "We'll see. An illegal alien dropping a baby isn't a citizen. Idiots in robes can't tell me it is." Yes they can apparently because your immunity to gaslighting has resulted in nothing and the SCOTUS decision to consider children of illegal immigrants US Citizens has had consistent results for decades. Not liking it doesn't mean its not true. I can say all those US born humans are not citizens, but that yields zero results because they literally get all the benefits no matter what court rulings I say are wrong. Not unlike humans who say Trump is wrong while they watch the results and try to deny they exist. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by WebsterMark on 02/05/25 at 13:16:30 I knew about this case, I wasn’t referring to it. I didn’t know (and still have suspicions) that every right specified in the constitution immediately applies to an illegal alien. That’s what I was talking about. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by WebsterMark on 02/05/25 at 13:18:16 7C607D65786D7A6B6467666D080 wrote:
inability to accept written FACT [/quote] Supreme Court decisions are not facts necessarily. It is a fact that they are opinions that carry the weight of law at the time they’re written, but can be overturn which I suspect this one will be sooner rather than later. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Eegore on 02/05/25 at 13:20:22 I knew about this case, I wasn’t referring to it. I didn’t know (and still have suspicions) that every right specified in the constitution immediately applies to an illegal alien. That’s what I was talking about. No, all those rights apply to their kids. Until the SCOTUS makes some sort of exception in writing, nothing so far exempts illegal immigrants from the 14th unless they meet the exceptions listed. We can't make up our own just because we don't like it. I mean wouldn't at least one person have figured out the exception by now? |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by thumperclone on 02/05/25 at 15:57:58 417374656273645B77647D160 wrote:
inability to accept written FACT [/quote] Supreme Court decisions are not facts necessarily. It is a fact that they are opinions that carry the weight of law at the time they’re written, but can be overturn which I suspect this one will be sooner rather than later.[/quote] I was mentioning Admendments as factual... |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by JOG on 02/07/25 at 01:17:05 7B677A627F6A7D6C6360616A0F0 wrote:
inability to accept written FACT [/quote] Supreme Court decisions are not facts necessarily. It is a fact that they are opinions that carry the weight of law at the time they’re written, but can be overturn which I suspect this one will be sooner rather than later.[/quote] I was mentioning Admendments as factual... [/quote] I wouldn't want to be Near you if you ever got cut. The cubic yards of and the stench of Ripe Bullschitt that would come out would be unbearable |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by thumperclone on 02/07/25 at 03:13:32 I wouldn't want to be Near you if you ever got cut. The cubic yards of and the stench of Ripe Bullschitt that would come out would be unbearable [/quote] what about due process don't you understand? truth and facts are like an acid to you |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by MnSpring on 02/07/25 at 06:40:04 1C3C3E362B3C590 wrote:
Tell us about Biden's Plan to REMOVE, all, school Loans debt. Even AFTER he was told he could not. |
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Title: Re: How does it even exist?? Post by Eegore on 02/07/25 at 07:29:26 Tell us about Biden's Plan to REMOVE, all, school Loans debt. Even AFTER he was told he could not. I did, in detail. So... Biden can't just declare a SCOTUS ruling "wrong" and override it any more than Trump could. |
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