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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Pardon? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1742235375 Message started by JOG on 03/17/25 at 11:16:15 |
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Title: Pardon? Post by JOG on 03/17/25 at 11:16:15 By Autopen? Nope. And what legislation was signed by it? Biden wasn't running anything. |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by ThumperPaul on 03/17/25 at 11:29:41 Legal experts are quickly pointing out that Lord Commander Velveeta Marmalade is Wrong Again. |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by JOG on 03/17/25 at 13:09:57 UhHuhh,, registered dumbocraps. Like the little tyrant judges who think they can stop the president because they don't like what he's been asked to do. |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/17/25 at 13:17:22 much ado about nothing |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/17/25 at 13:33:49 7B4E5D455E595D4E583C0 wrote:
no matter how bad you want a dictatorship our government has three branches you could always move to CUBA |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by Eegore on 03/17/25 at 14:11:11 It's stupid. My opinion is that it is stupid. This is nothing more than another example of Trump not having an understanding of US law, and people over-reacting to anything Trump says. This is an opinion. The Constitution does not require pardons in writing. Legislation has been signed by autopen, digital signature and proxy for decades. This exact issue of mandated personal signatures was addressed on July 7 2005: https://www.justice.gov/file/494411/dl?inline It is my opinion that this exact issue was addressed on July 7 2005. We find that, pursuant to this understanding, a person may sign a document by directing that his signature be affixed to it by another. We then review opinions of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice and find the same understanding reflected in opinions addressing statutory signing requirements in a variety of contexts. Reading the constitutional text in light of this established legal understanding, we conclude that the President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill to sign it within the meaning of Article I, Section 7. Remember those checks we got with Trump's signature? Guess he should declare those VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT so we can pay that back immediately. The Department’s opinions provide no basis for concluding that an instruction that does not amount to a delegation of presidential authority for purposes of section 301 should nonetheless be regarded as such a delegation for constitutional purposes, and, for the reasons explained above, see supra Part I.C, we believe it should not be so regarded. Rather, as we previously explained, so long as the President personally makes the decision to approve and sign a bill, “the principle that the President may not delegate to another person his authority to sign abill . . . means, for example, that if a White House aide were to sign his own name to a bill, that bill would not thereby become law. By contrast, the President’s directive to an aide to affix the President’s signature to a bill does not involve a delegation of authority.” Accordingly, we conclude that neither past practice nor previous opinions relating to the signing requirement of Article I, Section 7 foreclose reading that requirement in a manner that is consistent with the traditional common law understanding of “sign,” with Attorney General and Department of Justice opinions applying that understanding to statutory signing requirements, and with the settled interpretation of the related presentment and return provisions. For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law. Rather, the President may sign a bill within the meaning of Article I, Section 7 by directing a subordinate to affix the President’s signature to such a bill, for example by autopen. |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by Serowbot on 03/17/25 at 14:49:07 Well there ya' go then If Trump did it, it would be fine He's only breaking 15 laws a day :-? |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by MnSpring on 03/17/25 at 17:28:54 "... we conclude that the President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law. ...." However, does a POTUS, have to be cognitive ?????? |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by Eegore on 03/17/25 at 17:36:50 However, does a POTUS, have to be cognitive ?????? My opinion is Yes. However is Trump qualified, by law, to decide? My opinion is No. This is an opinion. However, there are no provisions for overturning previous POTUS pardons by a sitting POTUS in my opinion. In my opinion at most they can challenge the autopen guidance in court. This is an opinion. This post is an opinion. The previous sentence indicates this post is an opinion. |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/18/25 at 02:57:55 [quote However, does a POTUS, have to be cognitive ??????] "I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any votes." DJT this is from a cognitive man? No, it's from a sick maniac supported by sick morons |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by WebsterMark on 03/18/25 at 04:15:18 2F332E362B3E29383734353E5B0 wrote:
I’m not sick and I am not moron. Biden literally sold his VP office and was clearly experiencing age related dementia. Despite this, he was still nominated for President by his party and you supported him enthusiastically. Trump’s comment was clearly hyperbole, exaggeration to make a point. One classic symptom of TDS is to take statements out of context and imagine them to be literal. |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/18/25 at 04:28:23 Trump’s comment was clearly hyperbole, exaggeration to make a point. [/quote] moronic excuse to hide his deranged personality |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by WebsterMark on 03/18/25 at 05:02:17 You think Trump would pull out a gun, kill someone and then dare his voters to drop their support? |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/18/25 at 05:23:44 no telling what an incompetent arrogant egotistical racist unfit narcissistic a$$hole would do besides try to destroy our democracy and claim himself king |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by WebsterMark on 03/18/25 at 09:46:38 Do you even hear yourself? |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/18/25 at 09:48:43 can't take it? after years of Obama and Biden bashing the tide has turned |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by MnSpring on 03/18/25 at 16:20:00 322E332B362334252A292823460 wrote:
Like the WOKE FDS's did, and are now doing, to Trump ??? Russia Russia Russia |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by WebsterMark on 03/19/25 at 04:14:14 [quote author=2F332E362B3E29383734353E5B0 link=1742235375/15#15 date=1742316523]. Here, try this. Orangeman bad because ________ now fill in the blanks with substance, something specific you disagree with and why YOU think it’s bad for the country or world. That blank space needs to be a lot longer :-? |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/19/25 at 04:26:14 350700111607102F031009620 wrote:
Bring it on, but all you post are stupid Orangeman bad quotes…..FFS man, get outta 3rd grade. Here, try this. Orangeman bad because ________ now fill in the blanks with substance, something specific you disagree with and why YOU think it’s bad for the country or world. [/quote] simple he's an a$$hole lying sack of crap incompetent racist grifter |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by WebsterMark on 03/19/25 at 09:20:42 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
You edited my post instead of quoting it and replying? |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by thumperclone on 03/19/25 at 12:12:24 You edited my post instead of quoting it and replying?[/quote] IF I edited your post it was unintentional I DID quote and reply |
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Title: Re: Pardon? Post by WebsterMark on 03/19/25 at 16:01:37 4B574A524F5A4D5C5350515A3F0 wrote:
IF I edited your post it was unintentional I DID quote and reply [/quote] I was talking to our fair and balanced moderator. |
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