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Title: I very much believe Post by Serowbot on 04/26/25 at 15:37:18 I very much believe that you guys support Trump because he so irritates the left and for no other reason Causing global financial chaos, taking food and care from the poor making food water and air less safe for all of us Turning our allies against us denying science Dividing out people The great thing about that is... you get the satisfaction of irritating Liberals That's all Everything is broken, and that's good to you Congratulations |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by MnSpring on 04/26/25 at 15:45:25 "...Causing global financial chaos, taking food and care from the poor making food water and air less safe for all of us Turning our allies against us Dividing out people ..." All of those things, are EXACTLY what you are TOLD to say. They have NO TRUTH to them ! Just like the people that ONLY 'report' on ONE SIDE of things. They PURPOSELY Forgot, "The Rest Of the Story" |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 04/27/25 at 03:51:48 6573647961747962160 wrote:
Historically, you have been wrong about almost everything so it’s not surprising you’re wrong about this. Number one, I support Trump because he is more likely to protect unborn babies. That’s my number one reason for supporting any politicians. Number two, Republicans are more likely to support less government. Number three, Republicans are more likely to lower my taxes. And four, Republicans, but Trump in particular, are more likely to stop illegals from entering the country. That’s important. Republicans and again, Trump n particular, are more likely to do those things than Biden or Harris. The Republican platform is more moral than the Democratic platform. Trump tells the truth 1000 times more often than Biden or Harris. I know exactly who he is. He will field questions for 90 minutes from reporters and blurt out whatever he thinks. Obama, Biden, Harris, in public were closely orchestrated to present themselves as they wanted you to see them. Trump is exactly who you see. Those threatened by him, the media and the entertainment culture are 100% against him for those reasons so I can see why someone existing in a leftist bubble would say what you did but you are wrong, as usual. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by thumperclone on 04/27/25 at 06:56:27 quote The Republican platform is more moral than the Democratic platform real ballsey to mention morality when you worship the most immoral FELON in this country's' history the ONLY thing he cares about is what's in it for him |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by MnSpring on 04/27/25 at 12:05:14 "The Republican platform is more moral than the Democratic platform" In (my opinion) I would change that a bit. The Republican platform is Light Years more moral than the Democratic platform |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by thumperclone on 04/27/25 at 13:57:46 5E7D4063617A7D74130 wrote:
since when is hurbis syndrom moral? |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 04/29/25 at 14:57:39 ;DThe MAGATs are more moral? Every single child predator arrested is wearing the cap. 47 is ON RECORD for telling over 37,000 LIES in just his first term. He's ignoring the US Constitution, which he took an OATH to uphold. ICE has become the US Gestapo, arresting anyone they want by calling them "suspected illegals" and denying them due process. ICEholes is more like it. Musk, appointed by the so-called "President" can only have the powers of the President, NOT Congress, and NOT the courts. Trump has done nothing for the average US citizen, other than make our lives hell. Just admit that y'all were wrong. That's the only way forward. 47's way is backward--- all the way to 1939. >:( |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 04/29/25 at 15:32:46 Welcome Needles, you’re going to fit right in! |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by JOG on 04/29/25 at 16:53:42 As I've SAID many times, and,IF YOU PAID ATTENTION, you would Know Trump said the things I WAS SAYING before he even showed up.? I support him because he, imperfectly representsME. YOU leftards will Not figure it out. You SAY I will agree with what he say,and Do what he says Yet I am Unjabbed and have criticized him Harshly for his continued pushing of the jabs. And not one of you commie leftards ever found the guts or brains to criticize that brain dead moron biden. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 04/30/25 at 03:21:02 And I didn’t want Trump to run for reelection, I wanted someone else. I’d love after two years if they keep the house and senate, for him to resign and turn it over to Vance. I would rather have Joe Biden as my neighbor than Donald Trump. There’s 1 million things I can’t stand about Trump. But you’re right, these clowns will never say anything about Biden. It’s obviously he was shaking down countries for money, and he had dementia for a couple years, and someone else was clearly making most of the decisions. These clowns went right along with it, and thought he would be a great option for another four years. What a joke. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 04/30/25 at 03:23:18 And yes, I’m 99% sure Trump screwed a porn star and paid her to be quiet. Was that wrong? Of course. Do I hold him up to be some kind of role model? Of course not. Was it 34 felonies ? Of course not. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 04/30/25 at 04:09:43 7563746971646972060 wrote:
If it irritates the left then no price is too high. Really it is worth everything to me. It is what I live for. In fact, out of all the planets I could choose from, I picked this one specifically to piss off the left. It's so satisfying. I love it. Its great, you schould try it. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by thumperclone on 04/30/25 at 04:44:20 And not one of you commie leftards ever found the guts or brains to criticize that brain dead moron biden.[/quote] wrong again zippy! keep beating the Biden dead horse |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 04/30/25 at 05:18:01 I DO criticize Biden. I criticized Hillary, and I criticized Obama. Oh, and I'm NOT a Democrat, and not a liberal. I'm a full-on socialist, registered as Independent. I only vote for the Democrats because that's as left as this country will go. The Democratic Party is actually right center in the US--- nearly the same thing as European conservative parties. There is no Leftist party here. There is only right center vs fascist right. The MAGATs get all upset about "the left", when there are maybe a dozen actual leftists in the entire Congress and Senate combined, out of 541 total. Obama, Hillary, and Biden are Democratic CONSERVATIVES. That's my beef with all of them. The People want change, and all three dangled progress in front of their voters, then delivered very little, saying change should be gradual. They're corporatists, too, you see. "Capitalism" is what they call feudalism nowadays. It has failed, just like it always has throughout history. Like it or not, China is showing how capitalism should be applied--- with severe restrictions overseen by socialists to protect the People from the predatory capitalists. Kneejerk reactions against the word "socialism" because that was what was taught to you all your life is non-productive. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by MnSpring on 04/30/25 at 06:39:34 775C5C5D555C4A390 wrote:
You are in the wrong Nation. Instead of calling people NAZI's Simply go to a Nation that has, REAL DICTATORS. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Serowbot on 04/30/25 at 08:00:19 615354454253447B57445D360 wrote:
Could you needlepoint that on a pillow for me? :-? |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by thumperclone on 04/30/25 at 09:08:44 15360B282A31363F580 wrote:
You are in the wrong Nation. Instead of calling people NAZI's Simply go to a Nation that has, REAL DICTATORS. [/quote] the white house has a tempoary dictator resident |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 04/30/25 at 09:38:36 654E4E4F474E582B0 wrote:
“Capitalism has failed”….words typed by a guy on a device that interacts with an electronic network that spreads those words across the globe in seconds at a ridiculously low cost all of which was all made possible by entrepreneurs looking to make money. Socialism brings nothing but poverty. The only reason China has not been torn apart by internal struggles, is because the capitalistic societies in the United States and other countries in the world, prop up their economy by buying products. Capitalism is the savior of the world. It brings prosperity, health, and a cleaner environment more so than any other system could ever dream of. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 04/30/25 at 13:56:24 47 is doing his darndest to BE a "real" dictator. No due process? Against the Constitution. Unidentified police? Against the Constitution. The "President" making money from his position? Against the Constitution. Arresting people (judges) for doing their job? Against the Constitution. Dictatorship came to me (US!). And MAGA put him there. I never said that I want to make the US into China, but we could use some of the Chinese intolerance for causing embarrassment. Musk, 47, and most of the Republican leadership, would've been in the ground by now. Oh, yes. Billionaires can PURCHASE citizenship in any country they want. They have no patriotism, no loyalty to ANY country. That's why you don't put them in office. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 04/30/25 at 14:34:54 47 is doing his darndest to BE a "real" dictator. No due process? Against the Constitution. Unidentified police? Against the Constitution. The "President" making money from his position? Against the Constitution. Arresting people (judges) for doing their job? Against the Constitution. Dictatorship came to me (US!). And MAGA put him there. Turn off MSNBC dude. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 04/30/25 at 15:50:31 I don't watch TV news--- not Fox, not MSNBC, not CBS, none. If it's not certified as unbiased by the IFJ, I never watch it. That means I get most of my news from unbiased foreign sources, since the US news CORPORATIONS are all biased. My first degree was Journalism/English Lit, followed by ones in EE, Computer electronics, and Electronic Voice & Data Communications. 10 years later, I went back to school and got a BSN, then a Masters in Chinese Medicine. I was licensed as a Doctor of Oriental Medicine in New Mexico--- THE hardest state to get a DOM license, since you have to pass all the Family Nurse Practitioner requirements as well as the national Chinese Medicine certification. (In case you're somewhere in the state with no other healthcare provider. ) Can I be fooled? Sure, but I can usually see through BS. I don't really blame 47 for this nuts show--- I blame the Republicans who still back the moron. (47's IQ was 73 in the 1980s. Verified by the US Army.) HE's a convicted felon. He's just trying to stay out of jail. Republicans are the real enemy. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/01/25 at 00:46:23 I hear the passion and frustration in your words, and I can understand where that indignation might come from, a sense of betrayal, maybe, or lost hope in a system you once believed could change. What I'm wondering is: how did you come to have such high expectations of politics in the first place? And do you feel that this anger is more about the system itself, or about the people who support it? You clearly have a strong intellect and a wide range of experience, have you considered how to use that constructively? I don’t mean that dismissively; it’s just that right now, your messages feel quite black and white. I’m curious what you’re hoping to achieve by expressing things this way. You describe yourself as a free thinker, and I respect that. But sometimes the tone feels less like independent thinking and more like reacting from a collective frustration, almost like herd behavior. You also mention moral superiority, but aside from how you present your own qualifications and views, I wonder: where do you feel that sense of moral clarity really comes through in your approach to people on the forum? |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 05/01/25 at 05:20:12 At the risk of sounding trite, morals are the result of personal honor. Personal honor is a rare thing. Mostly, people in general seem to think honor comes from the laws. That's nonsense. Laws are there for people without a sense of honor of their own. External rules like laws tend to make those people look for loopholes, or ways around the laws. For instance, like it or not, everyone should pay taxes, on a sliding scale--- the more you make, the bigger the percentage of your income you should pay in taxes. That's a fair application, and could be written as a law on less than 1 page of 8 x 11" paper. It was, originally. Over the years, corporations and people rich enough to buy politicians (The legal bribery of public officials in the US is called "lobbying".) have engineered so many loopholes and tax evasion strategies that the tax laws are over 50,000 pages. No normal citizen wrote any of that. If this government is of, by, and for the people, all the laws should be in a form that normal, non-legal people can at least understand it when they read it. Now it's so complicated you can break the tax laws without even knowing it. If Musk had gone into the IRS and tossed out all the addendums to the tax laws, it would have been a good move; instead he 86'd the people actually responsible for collecting the money! DOGE has done the same for every agency it has "audited". On top of that, Musk was personally appointed by 47, without approval from Congress, which automatically makes the appointment illegitimate. Even if he were legit, he'd only have the power of the executive that appointed him. In other words, MUSK cannot override Congress or the SC, any more than 47. Not legally, anyway. And the Republicans LET 47 get away with it. That's my biggest problem: the Republicans are just evil, and the Dems are cowards, or they are the same party, just like the Chinese have always said. Yes, DC needed change, but not into 1939 Germany. 47 has done nothing but HURT the average US citizen since his first term. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/01/25 at 05:39:10 Interesting how you make the distinction between personal honor and laws. That does touch on something essential. But then I wonder: if laws are mainly for people without honor, and the system was built by such people — do you think reform from within is still possible? Or do you see it as if the system must first collapse before something better can emerge? You clearly believe in justice, that is evident from everything you write. That is why I am curious: what do you think is still feasible within the system as it is now? |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 05/01/25 at 06:13:47 The framework is there. The US Constitution, if followed, specifically delineates the specific duties of the three branches of government. The US is a representative democratic republic. The Republicans try to disavow the "democratic" part; at least they do not think everyone should be allowed to vote. Unfortunately, their criteria are racial or religious bias. The Republicans have degenerated to the lowest form of voter--- ones who vote BECAUSE someone told them to vote that way. They tend to view elections simplistically, usually only on one issue that they imagine to be important. Anti-abortion people are simply voicing their religious ideations--- there is zero science backing them up, but they'll vote for the anti-abortion candidate, no questions asked. Same with gun control: I do own a couple of guns, but I know that there are people that shouldn't be let anywhere near a firearm. It's not the Holy Grail issue the gun nuts imagine it to be. Likewise the imaginary border issue. Before Reagan started arresting the "illegals" themselves, they arrested the EMPLOYERS, and there was no big issue with migrant workers. Anyway, the mechanism to stop the crazy assed WH occupant is in place. The Republicans are showing that they are no more brave than the Democrats. 47 and his whole entourage are traitors. They are actively working to negate the Constitution, violating the laws, and the Republicans refuse to reign him in. They still think they actually won something... |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/02/25 at 00:14:20 You speak with a lot of authority, but in the end, you're just endlessly pointing fingers. Everyone's corrupt, everyone's blind, and somehow only you see it all clearly. Convenient position. The rest of us are at least trying to engage with the mess. You? You stay on the sidelines, declaring failure like it makes you untouchable. You call that moral clarity. I call it detachment disguised as wisdom. If you’ve got something better to offer, say it. If not, maybe stop pretending that criticism alone is a contribution. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/25 at 04:17:33 587373727A7365160 wrote:
You make Thumper and our fair and balanced moderator, actually look….fair and balanced. All you’ve done is list delusional talking points, extrapolated to ridiculous partisan ends. Take voting for example. You think Republicans are restricting certain people from voting? What parameters are you suggesting? Age 14? 16? An illegal alien who snuck across the border should be allowed to vote? Should you have to present some type of verification that you’re a valid US citizen before you go to vote? It only takes a few questions to arrive at the obvious conclusion that not everyone in the country should be allowed to vote. So now we’re debating parameters and isn’t that the whole point? To discuss and arrive at a procedure we may not all agree with, but we’re gonna live with. Zero science involved in the abortion debate? And everyone who is pro-choice does so because of a specific denominational religious affiliation? Again, that’s obviously not true. Living in our version of a free, capitalistic society is hard. It’s far from perfect and there are plenty of situations where it doesn’t seem fair, that the rich guys get their way. And let’s face it, often times they do. And obviously, both parties are populated with selfish, narcissistic individuals, who only pretend to care about those that they’ve been elected to represent. That’s not unique to one side or the other. My opinion is the conservative, Republican Party, aligns with policies, that I agree with more often than the Democratic Party. That’s a valid point of view open to debate. But your eyes are not open, it’s the opposite, they’re squeezed tight with only a tiny slit opened to let a very limited wavelength of light through. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 05/02/25 at 05:21:35 Coming from a supporter of the questionablely legal WH occupant, I'll take that "criticism" as a compliment. Everything I've stated is fact. If your position looks at fact as biased, your position is wrong. You right wing folks want a dictator; you've made that clear. It is naive to think that dictator is going to be the GOP's pet, though. 47 just refused FEMA aid to Arkansas, currently run by a rabid MAGA supporter, after several towns were damaged by 14 tornadoes. Y'all didn't win, either. ::) |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/25 at 08:28:47 You stated your opinions on the motives behind the policy positions of this Republican administration, you did not state facts. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by thumperclone on 05/02/25 at 09:25:14 5D6F68797E6F78476B78610A0 wrote:
what are their motives? make America great again? BULL$HIT! they are succeeding in sidestepping our democracy |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Serowbot on 05/02/25 at 10:25:54 4D6666676F6670030 wrote:
There once was an incarnation of the Right that carried copies of the Constitution in their pockets The Tea Party Now we have MAGA Casting Amendments aside for Trump Banning speech in Universities Suing News companies Vanishing citizens without trial to foreign Gulags Controlling women's bodily autonomy Ignoring Legislative grants and program funding Canceling birthright citizenship Destroying global alliances Forcing the teaching of lies and myths in schools Selling access and favours for personal gain MAGA |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/25 at 10:54:02 Casting Amendments aside for Trump - every administration pushed the envelope Banning speech in Universities - if you mean preventing Jews from being targeted because of their religion then yes. Suing News companies - you say that like it’s a bad thing Vanishing citizens without trial to foreign Gulags - nope. Deporting illegals and those dangerous to the security of the nation, yes. Controlling women's bodily autonomy - complete and absolute lie Ignoring Legislative grants and program funding - again, you say that like it’s a bad thing Canceling birthright citizenship- let’s all hope so Destroying global alliances - if you mean we’re no longer going to let ourselves get bent over the table, then yes Forcing the teaching of lies and myths in schools- like men can be pregnant? Selling access and favours for personal gain - you have already agreed not only is that not illegal, it’s encouraged for President’s to do that. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Serowbot on 05/02/25 at 12:41:24 You are astoundingly wrong Wrong on the facts and wrong in your opinions TDS MAGA |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 05/02/25 at 12:58:15 TDS is REAL! Look at all those red caps! (The ones that aren't ashamed yet.) TDS originally meant those crazy enough to believe him, but, in true Republican fashion, they always call things by their opposite ("Right to Work" for example.) so they tried to flip the meaning to the people who never believed him. ;D |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by thumperclone on 05/02/25 at 15:23:33 trumps deranged self and pubs are tds those deluded suckers |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by MnSpring on 05/02/25 at 20:32:50 4C5A4D50485D504B3F0 wrote:
"... wrong in your opinions ..." So a, Opinion that this Nation should became Socialistic/Communism ? Is to be immediately obeyed ? "... Wrong on the facts..." And again, you are parroting what you are TOLD TO SAY. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/03/25 at 02:42:09 517A7A7B737A6C1F0 wrote:
The term “Trump Derangement Syndrome” originated in the years surrounding the 2016 election and became popular among Trump supporters and conservatives as a way to explain the often violent and emotional reactions to Trump that some liberals or leftists have. The word “derangement” refers to mental confusion or imbalance, implying that the reaction to Trump is not just critical, but also disproportionate or unfounded. The idea behind the term is that people are so obsessed or angry about Trump that their ability to think rationally or respond objectively to political issues is distorted. It is a way to dismiss criticism of Trump as irrational or exaggerated. Where is your honor? You are doing the same as the lying and twisting politicians you despise so much. Your moral supremacy is fake. but don't worry about it, you fit right in. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/03/25 at 02:43:39 All that negativity towards Trump. Where does it come from? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Fo7XPf9j9lo What would Trump have been like if he hadn't had to experience that huge field of negativity simulated by the mainstream media? We are all responsible for what Trump does. No one is exempt. So then you can see how important it is that you take responsibility for what lives inside you. If you let your negativity run wild here, then you know that you are not taking responsibility for it. and thus feeding the negativity energy in the world. And that negativity is picked up by others and they express it in a violent way. And eventually it can get to the point where someone presses that button. In the case of TDS, it can be seen as a specific manifestation of projection, but limited to the extreme political emotions and views people have about Trump, which in many cases reflects their own unresolved frustrations or fears that they are unwilling or unable to process. But it is important to understand that projection of negativity is a broad psychological mechanism that occurs in many different contexts, and that TDS is a specific expression within the political domain. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/03/25 at 03:47:16 I gave an energetic approach above to what I think is happening in the world in response to bullshit. Because bullshit can be more dangerous than lying, because it shows no respect for the truth. While a liar still knows the truth (but consciously deviates from it), a bullshitter doesn't care whether something is true - they care about effect, conviction, or projecting an image. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 05/03/25 at 04:46:58 You repeat MAGA mythology well. You might be reacting subconsciously to the bullshit from 47 that has invaded your mind, causing the discomfort of cognitive dissonance. When I say 47 and (F)Elon are Nazis, I'm not just being insulting. I'm calling the spades spades. ALL their autocratic policies, all the Hitler quotes, and the Nazi salutes they both use are evidence. If you don't think your rights are being taken away daily by the MAGATs, there is something wrong with you. 47 doesn't care about you or your family. He doesn't care about unborn fetusses. He cares about HIS power. You can supplicate to a dictator, but you can't placate one. Like it or not, 47 might have won, but you did not. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/03/25 at 05:21:58 Interesting that instead of answering what I said, you go straight to implying I’m brainwashed. That’s not debate , that’s intellectual laziness dressed up as moral clarity. You don’t know me, but you assume you’re the only one here immune to influence. That’s convenient. It means you never have to question yourself, only others. Calling people Nazis is a serious accusation. If you want people to take that seriously, act like someone who wants to persuade, not just someone who needs to feel right. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/25 at 05:51:06 584E59445C49445F2B0 wrote:
I know you are, but wha5 am I?! |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/25 at 05:58:52 If everyone’s a Nazi, then no one is. If everyone’s racist, then no one is If everyone’s a fascist, then no one is. That’s the harm of tossing around descriptive terms that are no where near the truth. And let’s face it, both sides are guilty but the left certainly takes it to next level. Trump or Musk are not Nazis. Stop being stupid. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by zevenenergie on 05/03/25 at 07:30:31 I don,t think it is plane stupidity. I think he was hurt a lot in the past and that has translated into a moral superiority complex to deal with it. He now has to constantly demonstrate his moral superiority or he will feel the pain and fear and acknowledge that we live in a world where these kinds of things happen. But we can deal whit that by contributing in a postive way. And thats whats give,s real autority. But he does not see that. Everything seem very threatening to him. Also by always being negative about everyone he tries to dominate. (he feels betrayed and powerless). But maybe it is also a conscious strategy to maintain a sense of moral and intellectual superiority by constantly judging all parties negatively, because that is a well known psychological strategy. A Trump is very difficult for him because Trump is Topdog. That China has those high tariffs of 124% is I think a scoop on top for him because he has Chinese sympathies. I think he might be a communist. |
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Title: Re: I very much believe Post by Needles on 05/04/25 at 15:15:48 27382B38333833382F3A34385D0 wrote:
47 has the market cornered on lies. I'm not sure he's capable of consciously deviating from the truth, though, since I don't even think HE knows the difference. One interviewer asked him, "Out of more than 37,000 lies, what's your favorite/" He said, "I don't lie." The reporter came back with, "Yeah, that's my favorite, too!" There is absolutely NOTHING you can give as reason that 47 should even be breathing at this point: he's a convicted felon, con man, embezzler, rapist, and child abuser. Defend that truth. ;D |
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