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Message started by Eegore on 05/30/25 at 11:34:36

Title: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/30/25 at 11:34:36

A human child born in Mexico to humans from Mexico was brought to the US and legally received endorsement and allowed to utilize the legal (at the time) Humanitarian Parole. This allowed permitted non-US Citizen humans to stay in the US and receive medical care. The human child is 4 years of age.

The human child requires a worn medical device that keeps her alive. Without it she would die within 5 days. This device is unavailable in Mexico.

The recent revocations of legal status in the US due to Humanitarian Parole means the human child and associated non-US Citizen family members can be deported.

The outcomes in this scenario, for this post, in this thread with the exemption of all other threads are as follows:

1: Human child receives no-cost medical care until age 18 and lives. Cost of care after 18 is undetermined.
2: Human child is deported and dies once the device fails in 10 days.

Should the human child and and associated non-US Citizen family members be deported?

For reference:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-says-trump-administration-revokes-224914718.html

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Serowbot on 05/30/25 at 12:24:18

But Eegore, letting that child die might save me one tenth of a penny on my taxes :-?

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/30/25 at 12:46:05

But Eegore, letting that child die might save me one tenth of a penny on my taxes

Maybe. Would you deport or no?

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Needles on 05/30/25 at 15:33:40

Of course not. But then, I wouldn't deport ANY PERSON without due process, as the US Constitution demands.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/30/25 at 15:47:38

Of course not. But then, I wouldn't deport ANY PERSON without due process, as the US Constitution demands.

To be clear the human child would have due process. Legal deportation - no part of my proposed scenario indicates a departure from due process.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by JOG on 05/30/25 at 15:54:46

You present a twisted scenario,, why?
Who WOULD deport someone Knowing it's their FUKKING DEATH?

Why even Pose such a question?
Though, to be fair, I remember a Child being arrested and deported to Cuba some years ago,to the absolute Delight of the leftards.

While we're on the Life or Death topic
You leftards threw a Muthafukkin FIT over Trump allowing the WHITE PEOPLE from Africa in.
Are you clowns Really so disconnected that you don't Know they are targeted to be KILLED?
Pissawff

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/30/25 at 16:04:40

You present a twisted scenario,, why?
Who WOULD deport someone Knowing it's their FUKKING DEATH?

I would. I have assisted actually. Literally handed off a human in Sevastopol that was going to be killed.

Why even Pose such a question?

It's a thought exercise. On the surface certain things seem certainly easy to decide, but further examination presents difficulties.

The idea of sending a human child away to her death is seemingly an easy answer, but at what age do we do it? Or do we offer this one kid a free ride forever? Do we do this for all children on the planet, or only one's who make it inside the borders? Does the method of arrival matter (legal or illegal)?

All this starts with a single question of whether the US Government deports, legally, this human child or not.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by zevenenergie on 05/31/25 at 05:58:20

1636343C2136530 wrote:

I want o see you get out of this one:
Warning: Schokking!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HK4x-PiI9rE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx06EVFvT38

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Hlaxs-ShZzc

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hQt2NyEqJZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2vfdbLz9zk

As for your question, the answer is logical. Don't deport.
For the rest, it is a very good idea to guard your borders and deport illegals.
But if you don't understand that, then you also don't understand that you can't deport people in their own country, starve them or oppress them.

But yes, if you have been voting for a fake persident for years who is also demented, and you do that out of a false sense of moral supremacy.
Well, what can I say.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/31/25 at 06:51:42

I want o see you get out of this one:
Warning: Schokking!

I've put bullets into children myself. This might save yourself the trouble of drumming up more videos to show me what urban conflict is like. Children will die.

As for your question, the answer is logical. Don't deport.
For the rest, it is a very good idea to guard your borders and deport illegals.

This seems like the common approach. Basically if a human child with a lifetime medical issue arrives on US soil, they should get lifesaving care forever. But it is acceptable to turn non-US citizen human children away.

Is it acceptable to turn away from the US Border human children that will die within a week?

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Needles on 05/31/25 at 07:51:03

There is no dilemma. Save life--- always..

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/31/25 at 09:15:53

There is no dilemma. Save life--- always..

I would like to think so however this is obviously unsustainable. The dilemma is limited resource.

Someone will have to go without care.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by zevenenergie on 05/31/25 at 09:27:23

7656545C4156330 wrote:

I've put bullets into children myself.

I get that that happens in live.
The people I know, who have done that would never use it to settle an argument.

A friend of mine who did it dedicated his life to helping people when he came back, it was the only way he could stay sane.

You on the other hand, with your opinions, you are spineless.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/31/25 at 09:38:39

The people I know, who have done that would never use it to settle an argument.

I'm pretty sure they would conclude the actual act of killing a child is different than watching dead children on YouTube.

You answered the question so thank you for that.

My follow up is essentially without infinite resource, how is the decision to limit care made? It's reasonable to keep this one human child in the US for lifetime free care, however where does the limitation begin?

I feel it could be plausible to give free care to age 18, then transfer that care to any of the thousands and thousands that would be next in line. At that point it is technically, by US law, not letting a "child" die.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Serowbot on 05/31/25 at 10:28:42

Haven't heard from MNSpring
He's busy chasing wetback children off his lawn

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Needles on 05/31/25 at 15:18:01

Saving that one child for the rest of her life, would cost less than a single helicopter. The US military has plenty of helicopters. one less wouldn't matter.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 05/31/25 at 16:26:45

Saving that one child for the rest of her life, would cost less than a single helicopter. The US military has plenty of helicopters. one less wouldn't matter.

Lets for the sake of the discussion say this is an exact 1 for 1 cost exchange. First, appropriated fund law would eliminate this possibility.

Second, let's say we remove the legal restrictions, how many helicopters should be removed from funding? What does the US Government do with the other non-US citizen human children dying this month?

It makes sense to save this girl, especially when the logic is someone else will cover the cost, however this will create a position, (especially if the standard is "always") of creating an unsustainable care situation.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by WebsterMark on 06/01/25 at 06:03:11

7151535B4651340 wrote:

The answer is no, the child should not, but while acknowledging the slippery slope bureaucrats create and the likelihood the precedent will be exploited.

First off, the Biden administration‘s four year policy to bring in potential new voters has created this situation. And honestly, Trump’s failure to do what he said he was going to do his first term is to blame also. And we can go back even further and the idea of allowing mass immigration to fill cheap labor jobs was a mistake from the very beginning. Every administration going back decades is responsible for that. Just look at the recent interest in population decline from indigenous citizens. It’s a serious and long-term issue when your population remain stable mostly because of poor immigrants escaping poverty and who will fill every low wage job they can get their hands on.

But why is this device unavailable in Mexico? I just said I came back from a vacation in the theme parks in Orlando where Spanish was probably spoken by 40% of the participants. It is not cheap to go to these places or stay in the resorts. Clearly there is money in Mexico, so why aren’t these available there?

The US, as was once said, is the shining light on the hill, but unless that light is maintained, it cannot cast light to the less fortunate in our neighboring countries who’ve never enjoyed the freedom and prosperity the Republic brings us. Why we would want to lower ourselves instead of raising others is beyond me.

We can all reap the benefits that hard working, responsible, civilized immigrants bring to the United States, a nation they wish to call their own, while at the same time acknowledging recent policies have flooded us with those we, as a nation, gain no benefit from.

Ann Coulter used to say about the middle eastern violent Muslin nations that we should invade them, kill their leaders, convert the population to Christianity and the world would be better off. While obviously true, it should never be done, but in the same spirit, why do we allow such corrupt governments to flourish so near to us?

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by MnSpring on 06/01/25 at 07:13:19

“… why do we allow such corrupt governments to flourish so near to us? …”

For the same reason that the Ultra Liberal, full Blown Socialists, are allowed to do what they want by a far left government, (Biden, Obama, Clinton), who only want to stuff their OWN pockets.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 06/01/25 at 09:25:10

The answer is no, the child should not, but while acknowledging the slippery slope bureaucrats create and the likelihood the precedent will be exploited.

I would agree. The issue is less about the one human child, but about the thousands more coming for that outcome. If the US started providing free lifetime healthcare to all terminally ill children on the planet, what outcome should we expect?

So if we are to provide this child lifetime care, do we deny the next child?

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by WebsterMark on 06/01/25 at 09:36:32

If someone is here legally and taking advantage of the gifts and generous nature of the US citizens, then yes.

But going forward we do what Trump is trying to do and what we should do which is restrict immigration to those who benefit the country. That’s step one, step two is to assist honest politicians in other countries who are trying to get rid of the corruption and allow greater freedom to their citizens.

Title: Re: Deport Yes or No
Post by Eegore on 06/01/25 at 16:27:10

But going forward we do what Trump is trying to do and what we should do which is restrict immigration to those who benefit the country. That’s step one, step two is to assist honest politicians in other countries who are trying to get rid of the corruption and allow greater freedom to their citizens.

I'm not sure honest politicians exist. The administrative route I do agree with though. So in regard to "restrict immigration to those who benefit the country" I would include minors that would die.

Restriction to entry appears to be a key feature in sustainability.