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Title: The real danger. Post by zevenenergie on 06/13/25 at 01:39:49 A nuclear weapon in Iran is of course a bad thing but let us look at the real danger. Israel launched a major complex attack on Iran yesterday. This will undoubtedly be followed by a series of actions and counter-reactions. "But Israel can't keep that up for very long either, they remain dependent on the US. And when it comes to defending Israel, the US drops everything. So America is automatically sucked into the conflict. And of course it was already involved in this action. Because Iran is supported by China, it becomes a proxy war for China, but for America it becomes a real war. And costs a humongous amount. China can test its weapons arsenal against the American army on this battlefield. Ukraine has used up almost all the weapons and ammunition of the NATO countries and America. But China's weapons stockpile has only grown in recent years. America spent $877 billion and China $292 billion, In 2023. China can produce considerably more weapons than the US for the same amount. The American budget is largely spent on maintaining the army and operational activities and China spends much less money on that. Money has been spent on the growth of the army in recent years and on weapons and ammunition In any case America will be weakened by this war and the European part of NATO is miles behind when it comes to there army. It will take at least 5 years before Europe is at the same level as Russia in wapen and aminution prodution. It remains to be seen what this exaltation of Netauyanu will do for the balance of power in the world. It is clear that China is playing a masterful political chess game. In all situations that are playing out in the world, China pulls the longest straw. Instead of running after the facts, the West would do better to bang a fist on China's table. Because China is busy with a world war and is grabbing, seizing, dividing, ruling, bribing and poisoning the West with all the means at their disposal. And it goes much further than we read in the mainstream media. The West should now confiscate all possessions that China has in the West and unleash a witch hunt on all bribed people in business and government. Just look at how Israel prepares its military actions. China has supplied the entire world with electronics, has all strategic economic and military locations in its hands, but it also controls almost all the economic raw materials. It has the largest production capacity in the world, the largest supply of manpower. And contrary to what we all think it has the most modern an efficient production capacity and the cheapest and most stable energy supply and it has its population under absolute control. The government has a dictator who is not hindered by a cumbersome and rebellious bureaucracy. And Amerika? I hate to say it... its divided to the bone, Its broke and in bad health. It only got its army, but an army needs a strong backup and its just not there at the moment. |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by Needles on 06/13/25 at 05:27:14 I think that is just fear mongering. I fully expect China to take over the world, at least to the extent the US did, and the US is now failing. China will do it through trade. They don't need the expense of a huge military. If you told the US it could rule the world, but it will take somewhere between 200-500 years, the US would do... Nothing. The country is so young that timeline would be ridiculous. China, its culture and identity, is thousands of years old. Building the Great Wall took 2300 years. 500 years is an acceptable wait time for them. Meanwhile, as Don TACO is running off and pissing off US allies daily, and making more enemies as he spouts lies, China is building up Africa, both in infrastructure and international relations, doing the same in the southern former USSR countries, and South and Central America, and are arguably on better terms with the EU than the US, currently. There is no scenario where the US wins in the long run, not with the unregulated capitalism that has given us the current situation. If the 1% and the corporations don't give the People something, to paraphrase FDR, the socialists will take everything. Socialist countries always come from unregulated capitalist (formerly called feudalist) countries after the People revolt. Historically, the uber rich don't survive, and their wealth certainly doesn't. If the US does not change, it will become like India or the UK--- just another failed world power. |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by MnSpring on 06/13/25 at 07:17:24 072C2C2D252C3A490 wrote:
So building a wall, to keep out, 'invader's', is clearly, (in your opinion), a good thing. ... Socialist countries always come from unregulated capitalist ... Provide proof, from a UNBIASED source. |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by zevenenergie on 06/13/25 at 07:26:36 0C2727262E2731420 wrote:
China is busy with a world war and is grabbing, seizing, dividing, ruling, bribing and poisoning the West with all the means at their disposal. How do see that as trade? |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by Needles on 06/13/25 at 07:50:27 7B586546445F5851360 wrote:
So building a wall, to keep out, 'invader's', is clearly, (in your opinion), a good thing. ... Socialist countries always come from unregulated capitalist ... Provide proof, from a UNBIASED source. [/quote] Historically: The French Revolution, The Oktober Revolution, the Cuban Revolution, the UK Civil War, Civil Wars in most of the European countries, Nicaragua, even China. You may not like the result, but every time it's happened throughout history, they've killed the capitalists and either went to a socialist or democratic socio/capitalist model. It WILL happen here, mostly because capitalists ALWAYS think their hoarded money somehow protects them. That's only true as long as the government can protect the capitalists. When the SHTF, the capitalists are most often executed. ::) |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by Needles on 06/13/25 at 07:50:54 554A594A414A414A5D48464A2F0 wrote:
China is busy with a world war and is grabbing, seizing, dividing, ruling, bribing and poisoning the West with all the means at their disposal. How do see that as trade? [/quote] It's only doing all that through trade, and, only from the US capitalist POV. The EU is happy dropping Tesla's inferior cars for cheaper, more reliable and safer EVs. Do you expect people to voluntarily pay more for inferior products? That HAS been the US capitalist business model for many decades now. What did you think "supply side economics", AKA Reaganomics, meant? It means they manufacture what they want, as cheaply as possible, and if the consumer wants something else, screw them. That only worked when all you were dealing with was other capitalist countries. Now it's a world trade situation, and capitalist systems that funnel money to the uber rich cannot compete. You can piss and moan all you want about "slave wages". Those are only slave wages if they were living in the US. Socialist leaning countries (There is no pure socialism; there is no pure capitalism, either, except in the US, Somalia, and Iraq) tend to have a far less cost of living. In fact, the current minimum wage in the US IS a slave wage going by the COL in the US. China is offering an alternative to the US, and most of the world is going with China. The US has already lost the trade war. |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by MnSpring on 06/13/25 at 08:21:23 684343424A4355260 wrote:
FORGOT to provide, proof ? or Just lying again ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by Needles on 06/13/25 at 08:24:04 0F2C1132302B2C25420 wrote:
FORGOT to provide, proof ? or Just lying again ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] I'm not going to do your research for you. I gave you specifics. Look it up. Or not. I'm not your secretary. |
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Title: Re: The real danger. Post by Needles on 06/13/25 at 12:35:45 When people look at WWII history and ask, " Why didn't the German people DO something?" The People in LA ARE doing something. |
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