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Message started by MnSpring on 08/14/25 at 15:36:53

Title: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by MnSpring on 08/14/25 at 15:36:53

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Illegal+immigrants+given+driver%27s+licenses+for+%24200%2C&ia=web

"... Illegal immigrants given driver's licenses for $200.00 ..."

WOW, 15 years ago, in Minn, it was ONLY 100.00.

And one got a DL, SS Card, and a Green Card !!!!!

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Serowbot on 08/14/25 at 16:24:22

Ask yourself two questions

1. Will not having a license stop them from driving
(If you're honest you'll say no)

2. If you had an accident, would you rather that the other driver had an ID with a photo, address, and be registered, requiring proof of insurance and car registration?
(If you're honest you'll say yes)

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by MnSpring on 08/14/25 at 18:54:38

2A3C2B362E3B362D590 wrote:

"..., would you rather that the other driver had an ID with a photo, address, and be registered, requiring proof of insurance and car registration? ..."

They DO NOT !!!

That fake DL, will NOT go in a airport, or a LEO Check.

That is why, in AZ, the MAJORITY of the Illegals, accidents are all stated as:
The Driver RAN AWAY !!!!!!
(Which the owner of that car says: "Golly, Someone must have stolen it")

Who TOLD YOU, that Illegals, getting forged papers, have:
ID with a photo, a REAL address, are registered, (with the DL), have proof of insurance, and car registration? ..."

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/14/25 at 19:42:26

MnSpring is correct, standard illegally acquired licenses lead to nowhere.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by JOG on 08/14/25 at 22:05:12

5171737B6671140 wrote:

MnSpring is correct, standard illegally acquired licenses lead to nowhere.

au contraire, The license is then used to register to vote.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/15/25 at 05:39:29

au contraire, The license is then used to register to vote.

Potentially. It will not lead to what Serowbot was indicating which is what I was referring to: "address, and be registered, requiring proof of insurance and car registration?"

To clarify:

MnSpring is correct, standard illegally acquired licenses lead to nowhere, specifically in regard to illegal humans with a non-authentic KY driver's license and the components of physical address, being registered, and the requirement of proof of insurance and car registration, specific to the State of KY and only these components with the exemption of all other components, usage, or methods of deception in the State of KY and only the State of KY with the exemption of all other known geographic locations.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by MnSpring on 08/15/25 at 06:43:35

1C293A22393E3A293F5B0 wrote:

au contraire, The license is then used to register to vote.

YEP !!!

Flash the fake DL, with a piece of paper showing a water/gas/something bill with the same address on it.

Viola, You can VOTE in Many States.

(Hmmm, wonder if allowing the MASSIVE input of Illegals, with absolutely. NO vetting, had anything to do with that ?)

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/16/25 at 04:23:49

4452455840555843370 wrote:

Ask yourself two questions

1. Will not having a license stop them from driving
(If you're honest you'll say no)

No

2. If you had an accident, would you rather that the other driver had an ID with a photo, address, and be registered, requiring proof of insurance and car registration?
(If you're honest you'll say yes)

No. Honest. You can’t legitimize breaking into the country illegally. I doubt there are actual statistics on this but what percentage of illegal aliens have liability auto insurance that’s paid for an up to date? It should be very difficult to function in our society if you’ve broken in illegally. Giving illegals driver’s licenses has always been a terrible idea.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/16/25 at 06:08:14

Being in the US "illegally" is a TRESPASSING offense--- misdemeanor, not crime.

Assuming 10 million foreigners here, all organized and adopted by the Democratic Party, if they ALL registered to vote illegally, it would only be less than 3% of the overall vote nationwide. Since over half of them are too young to vote anyway, with the red state gerrymandering, the effect on the elections would be negligible. "Illegals invading the US" is just a MAGA made-up myth.

;)

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by JOG on 08/16/25 at 07:24:42

If you're charged with a misdemeanor
You are charged with a CRIME.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/16/25 at 08:20:18

Being in the US "illegally" is a TRESPASSING offense--- misdemeanor, not crime.

Incorrect. Misdemeanor is a crime by definition. They are addressed within the criminal justice system, specifically because they are a crime.

Violation of 8 U.S.C. § 1325 is a crime.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/16/25 at 09:51:36

6A414140484157240 wrote:

I’m pretty sure being in the US illegally as a federal offense.

I’m not sure that anybody believes there’s only 10 million illegal aliens in the country. It’s quite a bit more than that. How many? Who knows because the border was essentially open for four years.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by MnSpring on 08/16/25 at 20:02:13

1C3737363E3721520 wrote:

"... Assuming 10 million foreigners here, ..."

From, news stations, which tell the truth, it is 18 -24 million Here, Today.

Which is, after, the 1.5M that have already LEFT, after TRUMP closed the border to ILLEGALS !!!!!

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/17/25 at 06:17:09

MAGATs hallucinate massive numbers of "illegals" invading the country, just like they hallucinate that they all come here with criminal intent. Say you're drowning in a river and a log floats by. Are you going to grab the log, or debate how long it can keep you afloat? US capitalists manipulating foreign governments is the reason for many of the immigrants, but MAGATs deny that fact. MAGATs get all butt hurt over imagined wrongs, looking at "what ifs" as if they were facts. I prefer looking at "what IS". The effects of migrants on the US are, overall, positive. Many more US citizens have been killed by 47's supporters than ALL the murders committed by "illegals", but MAGATs deny that, too, just like they deny 47's treason, criminality, and pedophilia. You're all getting fired up over a non-issue.

::)

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/18/25 at 04:04:04

How do you get a CDL if you’re illegal? For starters, you get a drivers license handed to you.

I’m not been in India, but I’ve been to Taiwan and it’s true, driving in other countries like that is dramatically different. Since India is such a Mecca for motorcycle manufacturing, for example, some Harleys are made there, KTM‘s are made there, Royal Enfield and , I believe the new Triumph 400s are made there, I’ve seen a lot of videos when people test bikes over there and the traffic is ridiculous.

Let’s ask the surviving family if illegals should be given driver’s licenses.

“An illegal immigrant truck driver has been arrested and faces deportation after allegedly attempting to make an unauthorized U-turn in Florida — resulting in a crash that killed three people.

Harjinder Singh, who entered the country illegally and obtained a commercial driver’s license in California, has been charged with three counts of vehicular homicide in connection with Tuesday’s fatal crash, according to a news release from the Florida Dept. of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (FLHSMV).”

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/18/25 at 06:15:22

Why aren't you just as pissed off about born-in-the-US drivers that do the same thing? The US, BTW, is one of the few countries where "I didn't SEE the other vehicle" can get you off? Ask any motorcyclist that's been in or witnessed a crash. That's the universal answer. Oddly, in other countries, licensed drivers are REQUIRED to see other vehicles. Stating you didn't see another vehicle will get your license permanently pulled.

You're just mad because a brown person is involved.

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/18/25 at 08:42:26

Oddly, in other countries, licensed drivers are REQUIRED to see other vehicles. Stating you didn't see another vehicle will get your license permanently pulled.

Show proof or its a lie. I have employees all over the planet, I've yet to see a country where an accident where you do not see another vehicle is a mandatory permanent revocation. Literally everywhere I have seen bases the points or revocation times on severity of the accident.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/18/25 at 08:54:48

7F5454555D5442310 wrote:

It’s amazing that liberal Democrats like you will sacrifice lives repeatedly supported stupid arguments just to make a point and show how badly you hate Donald Trump. You people are fxxked up.

Stating you didn’t see another vehicle will get your license permanently pulled in other countries? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Seriously, the dumbest thing ever. You can’t be that stupid. I think you just make this stuff up just to be on the opposing side.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/18/25 at 09:11:21

Stating you didn’t see another vehicle will get your license permanently pulled in other countries? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Seriously, the dumbest thing ever. You can’t be that stupid. I think you just make this stuff up just to be on the opposing side.

Maybe he is in scenarios where people just don't address him when they know he is lying. I once had a coworker like that, where people waited for him to walk away to say he is full of sh!t, so he became more delusional thinking he was fooling everyone. Once we started addressing his lies in real time he filed a harassment claim, which was denied - because he lied- then requested a transfer instead of being fired for lying.

I do more PM messages on here than public posts, and a decent number of them are members acknowledging how duplicitous Needles is, thus diminishing the value of his arguments. He has good points in certain posts, but the consistent lying ruins all that, even by members that really hate Trump.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/18/25 at 09:28:52

So, you're not only a 1%er, you're in a group of circle jerk sycophants. That's as good a description of the right wing bubble as I've ever heard. And, to keep paraphrasing Einstein, "Why a 'decent number' of them? If you were right, one would be enough." As long as you had legitimate proof. And, proof is not attempting to link nonexistent precedence to the intent of 240 year old laws that you insist on not allowing to evolve to contemporary interpretation. You're just another would-be robber baron who wants to keep raking in money from the exploitation of your employees. OF COURSE you're going to disagree. Greed makes you blind to the destruction 47 has brought to the US, mainly because you've been exploiting the workers for so long YOU think it's the natural order of things. You'll go down along with the rest...

8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/18/25 at 09:45:31

And, to keep paraphrasing Einstein, "Why a 'decent number' of them? If you were right, one would be enough."

Because it is more than one. Multiple people think you lie consistently.

As long as you had legitimate proof. And, proof is not attempting to link nonexistent precedence to the intent of 240 year old laws that you insist on not allowing to evolve to contemporary interpretation.

I'm pro-amendment on the treason laws - that is literally pro-evolve to contemporary interpretation. I am not pro-make up procedures that do not exist and say they do. You literally claim there are procedures that do not exist. You want ad-hoc make up new things because Trump system - and that's not how the US Constitution works.

You're just another would-be robber baron who wants to keep raking in money from the exploitation of your employees. OF COURSE you're going to disagree. Greed makes you blind to the destruction 47 has brought to the US, mainly because you've been exploiting the workers for so long YOU think it's the natural order of things. You'll go down along with the rest...

Show proof or its a lie. When there is economic downturn I believe the management should be the first to take that cut. When a contract loses money, I still pay my employees and take the loss myself. What a robber baron I am. So because I am a robber baron, I disagree that other countries permanently revoke driving privileges due to not seeing the vehicle they collided with?

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/18/25 at 09:59:05

I don't have to prove it. YOU admitted it.

"I have employees all over the planet."

And, BTW, you can b*tch all you want about drivers licenses, but, apparently, they aren't even required.

https://wearechange.org/u-s-supreme-court-says-no-license-necessary-to-drive-automobile-on-public-highwaysstreets/

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/18/25 at 10:38:20

I don't have to prove it. YOU admitted it.

"I have employees all over the planet."

What does that admit? Having employees outside the continental US means what to you? Going to tell me what I do for a living with zero evidence? No surprise there.

And, BTW, you can b*tch all you want about drivers licenses, but, apparently, they aren't even required.

So to prove driver licenses are permanently revoked in other countries you provide a US Supreme Court ruling. Nice try.

Also you are wrong. JOG already tried this argument multiple times using Thompson v Smith. Selecting one paragraph, that's edited, and not using the entirety of the SCOTUS decision is amateur at best. All the SCOTUS did was rule that licenses can not be arbitrarily revoked.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3467100988685921366

The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, operating a business stand in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which a city may permit or prohibit at will.

The exercise of such a common right the city may, under its police power, regulate in the interest of the public safety and welfare; but it may not arbitrarily or unreasonably prohibit or restrict it, nor may it permit one to exercise it and refuse to permit another of like qualifications, under like conditions and circumstances, to exercise it.

The regulation of the exercise of the right to drive a private automobile on the streets of the city may be accomplished in part by the city by granting, refusing, and revoking, under rules of general application, permits to drive an automobile on its streets; but such permits may not be arbitrarily refused or revoked, or permitted to be held by some and refused to other of like qualifications, under like circumstances and conditions.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/18/25 at 13:33:56

That is an admission that YOU are a 1%er. YOU have no credibility here.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/18/25 at 14:10:25

The Milligan case in 1866 says martial law cannot be enacted unless there has been an actual takeover of the courts and other government services, BTW. EGG, you ought to be ok with that, since it stopped Lincoln from trying and executing Confederate officers after the war.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/18/25 at 15:19:44

That is an admission that YOU are a 1%er. YOU have no credibility here.

So having foreign employees, or US employees that can travel makes me a 1%? My neighbor employs 2 ladies in Taiwan, 1 in Australia, and 3 in Mexico, would she have any credibility here? Or is she a 1% too?

The Milligan case in 1866 says martial law cannot be enacted unless there has been an actual takeover of the courts and other government services, BTW. EGG, you ought to be ok with that, since it stopped Lincoln from trying and executing Confederate officers after the war.

Yeah I'm fine with it. There doesn't have to be a takeover, just "effectually closes" courts and services.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/25 at 03:49:32

Back on topic…. Let’s ask this woman who just buried her mom about illegals…. It’s every day.

https://nypost.com/2025/08/13/us-news/ex-wnba-star-sophie-brunners-mom-killed-in-head-on-crash-with-illegal-immigrant-with-history-of-driving-drunk/

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/19/25 at 05:07:06

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 05:46:35

Ask ANY mom who had to bury a son murdered by legals. They'll have much the same reaction. Ask any mom who has lost a son in a US military action. Same. Death due to auto accident? Same. Better yet, ask a mom who lost a daughter to a flood in Texas... Same, with lots of anger.

I think the issue is that it is considered "more preventable" of a death if illegal immigrants were not allowed in large numbers. The math is debatable but you are correct, any family member will ask why something more was not done ahead of time.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/25 at 07:18:48

0F2424252D2432410 wrote:

Again, this is the puzzling thing about liberals. They will sacrifice peoples lives, including their children, to demonstrate that they are members of the “I hate Donald Trump more than anything in the world” club.

The fact citizens commit crimes is not an argument in favor of weak borders. It makes no sense.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/19/25 at 09:23:42

You IMAGINE "liberals" do that, while supporting 47 who has killed hundreds of thousands of children by stopping their food supplies. In other words, you DO what you hallucinate the "liberals" do. Facts do not lie. MAGATs lie and manipulate the facts to agree with them. Y'all might as well be idiot fundys "quoting" their Bible.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/25 at 09:45:56

092222232B2234470 wrote:

He’s all yours Eegore. I’m done with this clown.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 10:58:01

He’s all yours Eegore. I’m done with this clown.

You couldn't have possibly expected any other type of response.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/19/25 at 14:06:49

Sure, when you've LOST the debate, you bail. Now comes the distraction and name calling...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/25 at 15:19:36

0121232B3621440 wrote:

He’s all yours Eegore. I’m done with this clown.

You couldn't have possibly expected any other type of response.

It’s like dealing with thumper. I have hopes but they’re constantly bashed.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 16:24:19

It’s like dealing with thumper. I have hopes but they’re constantly bashed.

At least thumper just says something and leaves it alone. Like claiming "Federally protected wetlands" were destroyed on the Rancher's land. Completely made up, maybe not by him, but thumper never addressed it again - a drive-by example. Needles on the other hand will literally say anything to try to make that inaccurate statement true.

The guy didn't even have 10 acres of land, EPA openly admits they assessed it wrong, and there is zero Federal jurisdiction according to every Federal agency involved, but now defying all logic - Needles argues the EPA is wrong, and right at the same time.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Needles on 08/20/25 at 05:56:33

EGG, I just use YOUR tactics back at you. You'll never like it, being a 1% MAGAT, and all.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by JOG on 08/20/25 at 08:08:14

Tactics?
Who needs Tactics?
Why is the TRUTH not the goal?
You want to Pretend you WON?

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/20/25 at 08:18:31

EGG, I just use YOUR tactics back at you. You'll never like it, being a 1% MAGAT, and all.

Now comes the distraction and name calling...

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by WebsterMark on 08/20/25 at 10:13:55

I’m guessing he got laid once by some hippie chick when he said he was a socialist and figured it was a good gig, so why give it up.

Do you member that show about the people trying to stop the Japanese ships from killing whales? I used to watch it so I could root for the Japanese. But there was always a couple of girl crew members on board and you could tell the boys were really playing up the “I a big environmentalist and would die for the whales” to impress them. I’m guessing it worked a few times. Good for them.

Title: Re: Illegals given driver's licenses
Post by Eegore on 08/20/25 at 10:38:49

Do you member that show about the people trying to stop the Japanese ships from killing whales? I used to watch it so I could root for the Japanese. But there was always a couple of girl crew members on board and you could tell the boys were really playing up the “I a big environmentalist and would die for the whales” to impress them. I’m guessing it worked a few times. Good for them.

A PETA group once hired an associate of mine to paint topless women that were going to go sit in cages as a publicity stunt. As predicted tons of males all the sudden were interested in PETA.