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Message started by Serowbot on 08/17/25 at 11:09:47

Title: Art of the Deal
Post by Serowbot on 08/17/25 at 11:09:47

No agreement, no ceasefire, nuttin'
Plus Trump taco's for the fourth time on Russian sanctions
Let's push those sanctions down the road while people die daily in Ukraine

Putin now wants all of the Ukraine
Is this "The Art of The Deal"?

MAGA

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by MnSpring on 08/17/25 at 11:19:33

4157405D45505D46320 wrote:

"... Putin now wants all of the Ukraine ..."

WOW !!!!!

You got into that summit, and were able to hear and understand every word said !

Just WOW

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/17/25 at 12:10:08

Putin now wants all of the Ukraine
Is this "The Art of The Deal"?

Do you have a reference for this?

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/outline-emerges-putins-offer-end-his-war-ukraine-2025-08-17/

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Serowbot on 08/17/25 at 12:59:54

Putin confirms he wants all of Ukraine, as Europe steps up military aid
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/27/putin-confirms-he-wants-all-of-ukraine-as-europe-steps-up-military-aid

Ukraine’s European allies pledged increased levels of military aid to Ukraine this year, making up for a United States aid freeze, as Russian President Vladimir Putin reaffirmed his ambition to absorb all of Ukraine into the Russian Federation.

I find Aljazeera to be a fairly reliable source

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/17/25 at 15:04:24

I find Aljazeera to be a fairly reliable source

Ok but why use information pre-Trump meeting as evidence of a Trump meeting outcome? I know time and space as we know it doesn't apply to this forum, but even for you?

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Serowbot on 08/17/25 at 15:47:24

I didn't realize the link was pre meeting, it just popped up when I Googled, but I was under the impression negotiations were about the Donbas and Crimea territories
To want the whole of Ukraine leaves no wiggle room on the negotiations

Why should Zelensky agree to anything if the option is nothing?

Trump needs to drop the TACO and make some impactful changes or this goes nowhere
What does Putin have over him?

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/17/25 at 16:36:49

Why should Zelensky agree to anything if the option is nothing?

He shouldn't. That is most likely why the proposal is the eastern slope.

Trump needs to drop the TACO and make some impactful changes or this goes nowhere
What does Putin have over him?

No idea but I'd rather do this than shovel money at a problem that will never end unless Ukraine is defeated.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by WebsterMark on 08/18/25 at 05:12:53

What does Putin have on him? WTF is wrong with you?

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by WebsterMark on 08/18/25 at 05:19:35

I’ve said from the beginning we should have never gotten this involved, this is Europe’s problem. Trump is the only one trying to stop it.

Putin is a serious problem but either we decide to take him head on or we don’t and I don’t think we should over Ukraine.

We should have sold weapons to Ukraine and let them and Europe fight it out. If after Ukraine, Putin moves against a NATO country, we get involved then, after they are weakened from fighting Ukraine. Instead we gave them billions in a war they could never win, only drag out.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/18/25 at 05:38:49

The US agreed to back Ukraine against Russia so they would give up their nuclear bombs. They did. Now, under 47, the US is a 2 faced, lying, POS, and the world knows it. And MAGATs are fine with that...

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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by MnSpring on 08/18/25 at 07:09:57

0229292820293F4C0 wrote:

"... The US agreed to back Ukraine ... ... ... ... "

Because,
Burisma paid Joe Biden through Hunter (+/-) $5 million each.

Then Zelenskyy told Joe,
'You Give Me Money and I will Not tell the world how CROOKED you are'
(Or Something to the like)

So Joe gave
170 BILLION
of YOUR MONEY,
to save his ass.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/18/25 at 14:05:43

That's what YOU, a MAGAT, which automatically means you're not to be believed, say.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by MnSpring on 08/18/25 at 16:06:49

1B303031393026550 wrote:

That's what YOU, a MAGAT, which automatically means you're not to be believed, say.

OK, Zippy - 2

Aren't you so Glad,
That you live in a FREE NATION !

;D
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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/25 at 03:56:07

How about we just wait for a couple days and see what happens with these meetings.

Ukraine can never win this. They can only drag it out. They’re a horrible situation, and I applaud them for doing everything I can to save your country.

But we either fight Russia head on or we let Europe handle this which they’ve not done. Again, as far as I can see, Trump is the only one looking for peace first.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by thumperclone on 08/19/25 at 04:27:27

Again, as far as I can see, Trump is the only one looking for peace first.[/quote]

he's looking for a Nobel Peace Prize
he's envious of Obama

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/19/25 at 04:53:03

"BREAKING: Donald Trump's failed summit with Vladimir Putin backfires in horrifying fashion as Russian forces are spotted riding into battle in Ukraine with American flags flying from their vehicles.
And it gets so much worse....
Russian state media broadcast footage of Russian troops racing into battle inside a captured American M113 Armored Personnel Carrier with the U.S. flag flapping beside the Russian flag. RT, the outlet that aired the humiliating footage, described the vehicle as a "trophy." The footage was captured near Mala Tokmachka in the Zaporizhzhia region in Southeast Ukraine.
The timing of the footage release sends a clear message: Russia views the Alaskan summit as a massive propaganda victory. They are simultaneously trolling a humiliated Trump and using the PR victory to demoralize Ukrainian forces. The implication is that Russia "owns" the United States now and we might as well be an ally in their war against Ukraine.
"How should this be understood? Russian propagandists are showing a video where Russian equipment goes on the attack with flags of Russia and the USA,” said Andriy Yermak, Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine.
"In fact, Russians are using United States symbols in their own terrorist, aggressive war with the killing of civilian people. Maximum audacity,” he added.
"The Russians have already declared the United States an ally and are storming Mala Tokmachka in M113 armoured personnel carriers... with Russian and American flags,” said Petr Andryushchenko, head of Ukraine’s Centre for the Study of the Occupation.
“This is the logical conclusion to all of Trump’s absurdity. And all of this is on the official propaganda channel of Russia Today. There are no words," he added.
"The Russians put American flags on their armoured vehicles next to the tricolour and are driving around the occupied Ukrainian land," stated one Ukrainian outlet according to The Daily Mail. "This is all you need to know about the result of the negotiations in Alaska."
The stunning broadcast was released just hours before Trump was slated to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House. Since the summit on Friday — during which Trump predictably failed to obtain a ceasefire agreement from Putin — Trump has been pushing Russian propaganda points and arguing that Zelensky has the responsibility to end the war by accepting unfavorable terms.
This outcome is exactly what many experts predicted. Putin a former KGB officer schooled in geopolitical maneuvering and fascist statecraft. Trump is a former reality TV star in the midst of a worsening pedophilia scandal. Putin just wanted a PR win on the world stage and Trump just wanted a distraction from Jeffrey Epstein coverage. In the end, both men got what they wanted and the world is worse off for it."

Oh, yeah, he's trying to stop the war...

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 05:55:23

Russian state media broadcast footage of Russian troops racing into battle inside a captured American M113 Armored Personnel Carrier with the U.S. flag flapping beside the Russian flag. RT, the outlet that aired the humiliating footage, described the vehicle as a "trophy." The footage was captured near Mala Tokmachka in the Zaporizhzhia region in Southeast Ukraine.
The timing of the footage release sends a clear message: Russia views the Alaskan summit as a massive propaganda victory.

Except the video was posted Before the Alaska meeting. I guess we should ignore that and pretend time and space do not apply? The result of an event happened before the event.

Why not use facts instead of lies to show how unsuccessful Trump negotiations are?

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/19/25 at 06:28:49

Egg, what difference does it make WHEN the footage was taken? The message is THAT it exists. Don't try to distract from the 47/Putin buddy system. That's demeaning, even for a MAGAT.

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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 07:13:14

Egg, what difference does it make WHEN the footage was taken? The message is THAT it exists. Don't try to distract from the 47/Putin buddy system. That's demeaning, even for a MAGAT.

The claim is the footage is a result of the Trump/Putin meeting. You don't see an issue with using footage before that meeting to say it happened because of that meeting? Notice how Serowbot, doing the exact same thing you did, actually can acknowledge the discrepancy and then use true things to get his point across. You divert with some expectation we ignore your reference is lying. You sound exactly like the Conservative Covid complainers on here that post any nonsense they find then expect us to ignore that its not true.

Why not use truth to show how ineffective Trump is instead of lies? Don't try to distract from the truth, Trump can be an idiot without using lies to show it. That's demeaning, even for a delusional lying forum member.

An adult conversation would acknowledge the lie, and instead focus on why the M113 did that. My assessment, given this has happened before with the same model and a Bradley is that using US flags on US built tanks seems like a decent way to appear like a US vehicle on the battle field. Publishing it on State TV is commentary on US political effectiveness.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/19/25 at 09:24:59

Splitting hairs on a moot point, but you do that well, don't you, Egg?

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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by thumperclone on 08/19/25 at 09:28:48

2B3D2A372F3A372C580 wrote:

are the 24 hours up yet?

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 11:16:45

Splitting hairs on a moot point, but you do that well, don't you, Egg?

You want other people to use accurate information "with references", just follow Your own standards. Trump can be an idiot and we can be accurate.

Serowbot had the exact same presentation and isn't still crying about it. He accurately observed the information he provided lacked the continuity to be factual as presented and moved on. His point is still valid, he just isn't so personally invested in Trump that he has to double down on the bullsh!t and resort to personal insults etc.

Your reference lied to you. Use a better one. Present accurate information instead of trying some childish name calling responses like that means anything to anyone here.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Serowbot on 08/19/25 at 13:36:32

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/19/25 at 14:04:47

EGG, I simply posted the ENTIRE statement, without editorializing (Look it up.), unlike the cherry picked nonsense you've posted about "precedent" for a felon and traitor in the WH. I'm pretty sure 47 is the first, therefore there is no precedent. (No President, either!)

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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 16:17:05

EGG, I simply posted the ENTIRE statement, without editorializing (Look it up.)

That does not change the accuracy. Your hyper-reactive mentality that for some reason tells you that anyone that does not agree with every part of your posts must be a Trump supporter, prohibits you from acknowledging the accuracy of reference material and instead leads you making poor attempts at insulting the person pointing out the inaccuracy.

This is nothing new, vaccine complainers did this for years on here. If I accurately indicated the CDC did not say what they claimed, I suddenly think everything the US Government ever said is gospel. Attacking the person pointing out the discrepancy is easier than admitting the reference is incorrect.

unlike the cherry picked nonsense you've posted about "precedent" for a felon and traitor in the WH. I'm pretty sure 47 is the first, therefore there is no precedent.

I never said there has to be precedent, you made that up. I referenced actual US law - you refenced a made-up social media post that fabricated a law that doesn't exist. You then made up a process for treason arbitration in your own head that doesn't even exist.

Instead of admitting there is no separate "Federal Court" that decides POTUS treason charges, you try to attack my references, which are literally the exact same source you have used, and the US DOJ websites by falsely claiming they are "fake MAGA" websites like people are too stupid to know the difference. The audacity to say that and think members can't use their own eyes to know those references are not private websites is delusional.

Fake MAGA website!!!:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/19/25 at 16:19:30

I just did the same thing with my post on Putin wanting to take all Ukraine (it predated the Alaska meeting)

Which is even worse when you think about it
Reports are that Russin news (if you can call it that) is making fun of Trump and Melania almost daily

Remember when Trump we're a laughing stock to the world?
Well now we are

They certainly do broadcast the POTUS and supporting staff in a negative light, but then again they say the Ukraine is full of Nazis.

Weird you aren't trying to insult me for noticing the dates on your reference material.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/20/25 at 13:29:36

ALL US Government websites are fake news under the current administration, or did you sleep through the past 7-8 months?

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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/20/25 at 13:36:49

ALL US Government websites are fake news under the current administration, or did you sleep through the past 7-8 months?

The referenced information I have used has had no changes in the past 20 years.

You used a government website as a reference so maybe you should stop using fake news:

https://espaillat.house.gov/media/press-releases/reps-espaillat-goldman-introduce-legislation-banning-ice-agents-wearing-face

Using your logic, if the following is on a Government website:

The Bill of Rights, comprising the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, was ratified on December 15, 1791 = True if Biden is POTUS.

The Bill of Rights, comprising the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, was ratified on December 15, 1791 = Fake if Trump is POTUS.

Why does your reality revolve around Trump and not actual reality?

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/20/25 at 13:47:27

"Depends on how you interpret the data." ;)

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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/20/25 at 13:50:15

Depends on how you interpret the data.

Agreed. You typically interpret it wrong.

For instance I interpret that an event that happens before a meeting does not happen "BECAUSE" of that meeting. You insist an event that happened before a meeting was "BECAUSE" of that meeting.

Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Needles on 08/20/25 at 13:53:19

My interpretation is not the same as yours. No surprise there, since MAGATs are used to hearing lies. Who is right?

"Depends on your interpretation of the data."

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Title: Re: Art of the Deal
Post by Eegore on 08/20/25 at 13:57:36

My interpretation is not the same as yours. No surprise there, since MAGATs are used to hearing lies. Who is right?

I am. All empirical evidence says an event that happened before a meeting is not "BECAUSE" of that meeting. You instead insist your lying reference is correct instead of having an adult conversation about how stupid the meeting was.

Your source is lying. Of course you don't care, you stated clearly you would lie yourself. That is how I interpret the data.