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Message started by Needles on 10/23/25 at 06:35:20

Title: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/23/25 at 06:35:20

49% of Republicans identify as MAGATs.
There are 37.7 million registered Republican voters.
There are 44.1 million registered Democratic voters.
US population is 340 million.
MAGATs are 5.5% of the US population.
The US is being ruled by a small group of oligarch psychopaths.


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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/23/25 at 08:50:15

let me give you some hard facts.

Imagine you were president:

You know exactly how things should be.
You judge everyone.
You tolerate no contradiction.
You don't accept the elections.
You lie to get your way and thwart your opponents.
You don't believe in honest discussion.
You talk about honor, while none of the above has anything to do with honor.
You are China-minded.


America is no longer the largest and strongest in the world. That's your beloved China.
So Trump's statement "Make America Great Again" isn't a bad idea. China's intention is to economically destroy America.

America is not run by the 5.5% maga.Trump won the elections by majority. All very democratic.
 
Now America is run by Trump.
Trump will go down in history as the best president America has ever had.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by thumperclone on 10/23/25 at 08:55:41


 
Now America is run by Trump.
Trump will go down in history as the best president America has ever had.[/quote]

A malignant narcissist with incipient dementia the best?
not hardly
he's neck and neck with Nixon as the worst

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/23/25 at 09:53:37

Again no real discussion or facts coming from the left.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/23/25 at 10:51:55


6B7467747F747F7463767874110 wrote:
let me give you some hard facts.

Imagine you were president:

You know exactly how things should be.  (NOT a fact.)
You judge everyone.  (Likely a fact, for Trump, but NOT provable.)
You tolerate no contradiction.  (Trump does that.)
You don't accept the elections. (Trump didn'y, and doesn't.)
You lie to get your way and thwart your opponents. (Trump's MO.)
You don't believe in honest discussion.  (Trump is dishonest, so there can be no honest discussion.)
You talk about honor, while none of the above has anything to do with honor. (The hell you say. You've just outlined the way the MAGATs work, and yes, THEY have no honor. If they knew what it was they'd call it a weakness, just like Vance called empathy a weakness.)
You are China-minded. ( China has surpassed the US in many ways. My position is that the US should be using what works, and that is not the US form of capitalism.)


America is no longer the largest and strongest in the world. That's your beloved China.
So Trump's statement "Make America Great Again" isn't a bad idea. China's intention is to economically destroy America. (No. That is propaganda. The US is economically destroying itself, by trying to continue 19th century robber baron capitalism to compete with REGULATED CAPITALISM, which had many times less corporate overhead.)

America is not run by the 5.5% maga.Trump won the elections by majority. All very democratic. (Trump won by less than 1%. And that was only among the ones that actually voted. More voters did NOT vote than are members of EITHER party. The people running the US RIGHT NOW are MAGATs, ALL of them. And that's still only 5.5% of the population. It's OK, if you MAGATs were good at math, you'd understand logic, too.)
 
Now America is run by Trump.  (And his MAGAT minions--- illegally, in most cases.)
Trump will go down in history as the best president America has ever had.
 (Trump has already gone down in history as, by far, the WORST President the US has ever had. Stop reading propaganda for your news.)





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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Krowl on 10/23/25 at 11:29:19

Trump is and will be the best president this wonderful country has ever seen!!

Don't let the dingbats on the view tell you any different you idiots ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/23/25 at 12:41:02


67786B78737873786F7A74781D0 wrote:
Again no real discussion or facts coming from the left.


I think you’ll find this interesting zeven.

I was in New Jersey this week, in the shadow of New York City. As a Swedish company, we had several people there from Sweden and a few from Germany. A group of us sat down and pretty much for the better part of 3 1/2 hours discussed global events, and obviously Trump. These men are all in their 40s and 50s, engineers, hard workers, entrepreneurs who took their ideas and developed a business, etc.

I can sum it up in this way.

1) none of those people have any affection whatsoever towards Donald Trump.

2) everyone is thrilled Donald Trump is currently President of the United States. The fear of a Kamala Harris presidency was thick enough that they said you could have cut it with a knife.

3) The shadow of Russia and China is heavy over Europe, way more so than we Americans can imagine. We often say we are insulated by two oceans, and this was abundantly clear.

Greatest president in history? That’s impossible to say because we don’t have access to alternative timelines. We have no idea of the real disaster a Harris presidency would have been. And to be fair, since this was an international conversation, the topic was the disaster that would’ve befallen on Europe with a Harris presidency not necessarily the United States.

All I can say with confidence is he’s definitely the man we needed at this time.


Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/23/25 at 13:26:38


566F726A711D0 wrote:
Trump is and will be the best president this wonderful country has ever seen!!

Don't let the dingbats on the view tell you any different you idiots ;D ;D ;D


https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-10-worst-u-s-presidents

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2023/02/27/the-most-and-least-effective-us-presidents-according-to-historians/


My standing challenge: Name 1 single thing Trump has done that benefits the average American, not the 1%. Just one. Oh, and you need to have proof.



;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/23/25 at 13:31:21

WebbyMark, So, a group of capitalists fear what would happen if the US regulated the uncontrolled capitalism it currently has? Who is surprised? The US is showing the world that it cannot compete with countries that heavily regulate capitalism. WHEN it fails, they fail, too. You should have said that your group WISHES capitalism was not failing on the global stage.



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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by MnSpring on 10/23/25 at 18:40:17


456E6E6F676E780B0 wrote:
"... Oh, and you need to have proof. ..."


 WHY ?????

Oh,
keep up the DIF posts,
is helps the advertising.

Every post, raises the post count.

Thanks for the gift to the people who are,
    NOT
UL, FDS, WOKE, DFI Socialists !




Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by thumperclone on 10/23/25 at 20:22:34


657A697A717A717A6D78767A1F0 wrote:
Again no real discussion or facts coming from the left.


one fact of many:
"When I win, I will bring down prices starting on day one."

groceries are up an average of 20% since the lyin king FELON took office

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/24/25 at 04:56:46


667A677F627760717E7D7C77120 wrote:
[quote author=657A697A717A717A6D78767A1F0 link=1761226520/0#3 date=1761238417]Again no real discussion or facts coming from the left.


one fact of many:
"When I win, I will bring down prices starting on day one."

groceries are up an average of 20% since the lyin king FELON took office [/quote]

“Grocery Price Increase Since Trump’s Second Inauguration

Grocery prices (measured by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Consumer Price Index for “food at home”) have risen by approximately 2.7% from Trump’s second inauguration on January 20, 2025, through the latest available data for September 2025. This is a modest increase compared to prior years, reflecting continued moderation in food inflation amid stable supply chains and easing pressures from events like avian flu outbreaks earlier in the year.”

There are several free to use AI sites you could use before posting that. Asking for data like this is not actually using artificial intelligence, all it’s doing is essentially a 100 different Google searches, then compiling the data. It’s not that hard.

Are grocery prices up 20% in the last year? No, of course not.

There are plenty of legitimate gripes you can make about Trump, I don’t know why the need to make up one that’s just simply not true and easily verifiable.

Start a discussion about bombing boats they suspect are carrying drugs in the open ocean. That’s a legitimate discourse.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/24/25 at 05:14:33

Looking at the bigger picture of the world economics, it's not surprising that Trump hasn't been able to lower the cost of living.

I think you shouldn't forget that the war in Ukraine has had an impact on the standard of living for everyone worldwide.

Then you have China and the BRIC countries, which have economically outpaced the G7 countries and are buying up all the good deals right under our noses simply because they have more money at their disposal.

China has the upper hand when it comes to the production of just about everything and has a monopoly on the extraction, processing, and sale of essential raw materials, and not just on its own territory.

Europe is losing highly economically important companies because China is buying them, including their advanced technology. And more and more, China has bribed and blackmailed officials around the world who allow this happen.

And don't forget the draining effect of your national debt on your economy. With so much debt, things will go wrong sooner or later.
And the left has sabotaged and frustrated measures.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Eegore on 10/24/25 at 05:59:59


My standing challenge: Name 1 single thing Trump has done that benefits the average American, not the 1%. Just one. Oh, and you need to have proof.

 You already said you will not accept any answer.  So it's not a challenge at all.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Eegore on 10/24/25 at 06:08:33


Are grocery prices up 20% in the last year? No, of course not.

There are plenty of legitimate gripes you can make about Trump, I don’t know why the need to make up one that’s just simply not true and easily verifiable.



 Just add that to the list of made up sh!t.  

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/24/25 at 06:42:05


0020222A3720450 wrote:
My standing challenge: Name 1 single thing Trump has done that benefits the average American, not the 1%. Just one. Oh, and you need to have proof.

 You already said you will not accept any answer.  So it's not a challenge at all.


As good a way to avoid the question as any, especially when YOU cannot answer it. And, all I asked for was PROOF that the answer is not BS.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Eegore on 10/24/25 at 07:01:12

As good a way to avoid the question as any, especially when YOU cannot answer it. And, all I asked for was PROOF that the answer is not BS.

 I answered months ago.  The general outcome of the I-fund in average 401k, used by most US employers, has gone up 18+ %.  The S&P 500 index rose about 25% in 2024.  The Nasdaq composite index was up about 32%.

 The average American benefits from that.   

 Pharmaceutical cost reform is good as well:  facilitate direct-to-consumer purchasing programs for pharmaceutical manufacturers that sell their products to American patients at the most-favored-nation price

 Instead of buying US made medications overseas at a cheaper price, we can actually get them cheaper here.  That's good.

 Of course since you said you will not accept "any answer" so there's really no challenge.  This is no different than anti-vaccine challenges to show they aren't killing kids at record numbers, but saying they won't look at or accept any references.

 You are doing the same thing.  Your challenge is nothing more than a statement that you will refuse any information given to you.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/24/25 at 07:16:50

Hey MAGAts, let's talk about what you ACTUALLY got from Donald J. Trump's "America First" agenda.
While Trump was busy pledging military defense for Qatar, signing $142 billion arms deals with Saudi Arabia, bailing out Argentina for $20 billion, and cozying up to Putin...
Here's what happened to YOU:
[ch128683] Your rural hospitals are closing—Trump capped their emergency fund at 15% and cut $137 billion from rural Medicaid
[ch128683] Your SNAP benefits got frozen during the shutdown—42 million low-income Americans rely on food stamps that Trump cut by $186 billion
[ch128683] Your manufacturing jobs are DISAPPEARING—78,000 lost since Trump's tariffs started, including 12,000 in August alone
[ch128683] Your infrastructure is STILL crumbling—Trump's promised $1.5 trillion plan never happened, water infrastructure is at a 30-year low
[ch128683] Your healthcare is getting gutted—$990 billion cut from Medicaid, 10 million people losing insurance, 1.4 million seniors losing Medicare assistance
[ch128683] Your grocery prices are SKYROCKETING—fastest growth since 2022 despite all his promises
[ch128683] Your energy bills are UP—Trump eliminated low-income home energy assistance
But sure, keep telling yourself this is "America First." Trump put Qatar, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Egypt, and Russia ahead of you. He gave them billions in aid, weapons, and guarantees while cutting YOUR food, YOUR healthcare, YOUR jobs, and YOUR infrastructure.
You voted for a nationalist. You got a globalist con artist who sold you out to every foreign leader who kissed his ass.
Still think you're winning?



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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/24/25 at 07:22:06

BREAKING: Jack Smith brilliantly calls Donald Trump's bluff and urges Congress and the Justice Department to let him testify publicly "in open hearings" to set the record straight.
This is the last thing that MAGA wants the former special counsel to do...
In a new letter sent to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees, Smith asked for the public hearings so that he can dispel the "many mischaracterizations" that are now swirling around his investigations into Trump's mishandling of classified records and efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Those investigations led to criminal charges but were ultimately dismissed by a Trump-appointed judge.
Smith's attorneys told the Republican committee leaders that he will need DOJ assurances that he "will not be punished" for testifying since some of the details of his investigations are technically still sealed or protected under grand jury secrecy rules.
Donald Trump and his Republican cronies have relentlessly smeared Jack Smith, but he has steadfastly defended his investigations.
“The idea that politics would play a role in big cases like this, it’s absolutely ludicrous and it’s totally contrary to my experience as a prosecutor,” Smith said previously.
"I think it's important that he's speaking up in a way to kind of demystify what has been grossly misrepresented to the American people by the senators," former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe said on CNN.
These hearings would give Smith a public forum to destroy Trump's lies about him while simultaneously walking the American people through the details of Trump's crimes. It would be a PR disaster for a White House that is already drowning scandals. We have a right to know the full story!



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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/24/25 at 08:22:11

Yes, there are significant austerity measures with the aim of reducing debt.

Yes, Smith wants to speak publicly, but what will remain is still uncertain.

And no, that doesn't automatically make your narrative entirely accurate.

Trump faces the major problem that the left is doing everything in its power to thwart him. This fanaticism has consequences.
In a healthy political climate, you can operate healthily. In a sick climate, you have to fight. But that doesn't mean Trump is doing a bad job; he has to be tougher, smarter, and meaner. Otherwise, he might as well go home.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/25/25 at 06:29:13

Brent Molnar: Voice of Reason ~ "The Man-Child in Chief: Why Donald Trump’s Behavior Isn’t Just Alarming—It’s Clinical…
At this point, calling Donald Trump a sociopath feels like stating water is wet. But throw that term around too loosely and people stop hearing it. So let’s be precise. What if the erratic cruelty, the compulsive lying, the open disdain for rules and empathy—it’s not just some quirky political branding. What if it’s a documented, diagnosable pattern? Because it is. And understanding it might be the first real step toward protecting what’s left of American democracy.
Sociopathy—officially known as Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD)—isn’t some cartoonish label you slap on a villain. It’s a well-defined clinical condition. It starts early, often appearing in childhood as conduct disorder—aggression, deceit, a lack of remorse—and fully emerges in adulthood as a complete disregard for others, rules, and basic morality. It’s not about being mean. It’s about being wired to harm without guilt.
Trump’s entire life fits that arc. His father, a distant real estate baron who valued dominance over decency. His mother, emotionally unavailable. A home life that trained him not in compassion, but in conquest. And what we see now—what we’ve always seen—isn’t a break from that past. It’s the fulfillment of it. Trump isn’t unwell because of power. He got power because he was unwell in a way that ruthless systems reward.
Look at the checklist: No remorse for pain caused? Check. Disregard for laws, norms, and human dignity? Check. Chronic lying, even when it gains him nothing? Bullying those beneath him, worshipping those above? All boxes checked. And still, millions confuse his behavior for “strength.” In reality, it’s a toddler in a suit with the nuclear codes and a permanent grudge.
The tragic twist? Authoritarians and autocrats abroad have figured this out. Trump’s second-term travel itinerary is a map of manipulation. NATO leaders learned: flatter him, and he’ll do whatever you want. Putin knew it. So did MBS. So does Musk. His emotional development stopped sometime before junior high, and it shows. If you coddle the ego, you get the policy.
But let’s not sugarcoat this: Trump’s inner circle is now filled with people just like him. Not sober adults with institutional memory or democratic instincts—but fellow man-babies with vendettas, fragile egos, and no ethical guardrails. And when developmentally stunted men hold real power, they don’t just throw tantrums. They break countries.
We’re already seeing it. Arresting political opponents. Threatening judges. Openly demanding revenge. Surrounding himself with yes-men willing to torch institutions to stay in his good graces. This isn’t just a moral collapse—it’s a psychological time bomb.
So what do we do? First, call it what it is. Trump’s behavior isn’t “eccentric.” It’s pathological. Then we build movements—not just to oppose policies, but to inoculate ourselves against this style of politics. Because this isn’t just about Trump. It’s about a system that rewards antisocial traits and mistakes immaturity for strength.
We need voters to stop falling for tough-guy cosplay. We need to educate people about what this kind of psychological profile actually looks like—and why it’s disqualifying, not admirable. We need to rebuild civic life around empathy, truth, and shared responsibility. And we need to do it fast."



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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/25/25 at 07:50:39

You don't need a diagnosis to criticize Trump's policies, actions, or statements.

He doesn't tolerate contradiction, and you could see that as a weakness. Otherwise, he's fine. He tests everything with his intuition, and that's strongly developed in him. And he likes to win, and that's something you want in a president of your country.
He's not sneaky; you know exactly what to expect from him.

And he has a certain goofiness, and that makes him lovable.

Moreover, this is the President we deserve; otherwise, life wouldn't have installed him. Slandering him reveals what's going on inside you. If it's not Trump, it will soon be someone else, and someone else, and someone else again, because you haven't transformed anything within yourself, while life has clearly shown you that something is in the way.

Does life have to throw any more curveballs at you?

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Eegore on 10/25/25 at 09:17:48


He doesn't tolerate contradiction, and you could see that as a weakness. Otherwise, he's fine.

 Wow.  


He's not sneaky; you know exactly what to expect from him.

 The problem is Trump has built image over substance.  He keeps plummeting into negative numbers, even in his private businesses, while creating an illusion of success.  That's fine for the golf and hotel industry but not for the actual country, especially the US military.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Serowbot on 10/25/25 at 12:04:23


0626242C3126430 wrote:
He's not sneaky; you know exactly what to expect from him.

 The problem is Trump has built image over substance.  He keeps plummeting into negative numbers, even in his private businesses, while creating an illusion of success.  That's fine for the golf and hotel industry but not for the actual country, especially the US military.


I think you actually made a political comment
Good Work!

As for knowing what to expect,   he just bulldozed half of the White House with no permission or consultation from anyone
He has started a war with Venezuela out of the blue
and he wants triumphal arch built for himself

This guy driving without a compass, a speed limit, or a steering wheel and we're all in the car without seatbelts

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/25/25 at 13:32:40

The problem is Trump has built image over substance.  He keeps plummeting into negative numbers, even in his private businesses, while creating an illusion of success.  That's fine for the golf and hotel industry but not for the actual country, especially the US military.

I’m not sure you can sustain an illusion of success for any length of time in the hospitality industry. But with regards to the military, I know you work with them regularly and, other than selling product to them, I don’t.

So go into detail why you think is the US military currently an illusion of success?

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Serowbot on 10/25/25 at 14:44:29

It seems to think arresting and jailing US citizens without warrant, charge, or trial is part of their mandate
Bombing and killing Venezuelan fishing boats that don't have the fuel capacity to reach the US is legal
The Admiral in charge resigned over this BTW

It seems to think allegiance to Trump is patriotic
It ain't

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/25/25 at 15:20:27

Are you trying to say you're not going to buy a Trump survival coin?

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/25/25 at 15:21:39

What U S citizens have been arrested and in jail without being charged? Give me some names and how long they’ve been on n custody and where?

How do you know they’re fishing boats?

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/25/25 at 16:17:22

How do you know they're not fishing boats.

Oh, and Eyore, the economic figures you spout SOUND good, but Forbes says:


Key Takeaways

   More than one in four Americans (28%) have savings below $1,000. This is the case for 32% of Gen Zers, followed by Millennials at 31%, Gen X at 27% and Baby Boomers at 20%.
   Standard savings accounts are the most popular savings vehicle across the four generations surveyed, while high-interest options like high-yield savings accounts or CDs are less common.
   In 2024, the highest percentage of Gen Zers (22%) are focused on saving for a car, Millennials (25%) and Gen Xers (28%) are focused on starting or beefing up emergency funds, and Baby Boomers (30%) are primarily focused on retirement savings.
   Almost half of Americans (49%) expect to save the same amount of money or less in 2024 compared to 2023, while 46% anticipate saving more and 5% are unsure.
   Rising living costs are the primary barrier to saving more (66%), followed by debt repayment (31%).

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/banking/savings/average-american-savings/

So, Eyore, YOUR figures are only good if you're already wealthy, but you already know that. You're intentionally misleading, and that IS lying. And I never said I wouldn't accept your answers. I said you have to prove their truth. There is a difference.



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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/25/25 at 16:19:07

WebbyMark:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/10/22/more-than-170-us-citizens-detained-by-immigration-agents/86730044007/


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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Eegore on 10/25/25 at 20:09:25


So go into detail why you think is the US military currently an illusion of success?

 I didn't mean to convey it was.  I said it is not ok to do.  

 There are some things in relation to this but I'm not sure I am at liberty at this time to go into any details.  In general however, the POTUS won't have enough juice to simply re-image the military at the expense of usefulness.  

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/26/25 at 04:51:41


1B303031393026550 wrote:
WebbyMark:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/10/22/more-than-170-us-citizens-detained-by-immigration-agents/86730044007/


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I read in the link:

Leonardo Garcia Venegas was detained by immigration agents while filming a raid on his worksite, despite having a REAL ID on him and telling the officers he was a citizen.  

I wanted to tour America, visiting a number of artist blacksmiths as a blacksmith, to expand my experience and horizon. I was 21, and I had written to 6 famous blacksmiths, asking for their welcome to come and work for a few weeks.I was welcome  and they trusted I met the immigration requirements. I flew to Boston and pretended I was going on vacation to visit my girlfriend. She arranged a meeting there with a shady person who could arrange papers, and three weeks later, $100,- poorer, I was able to pretend I met immigration requirements. After 2 months or so I went back home and had a great time.

So I understand the situation that arose with Leonardo Garcia Venegas.
I don't agree with everything, but I also don't react emotionally to this.
Fake Identiticards are available everywhere.
And noboddy ask me to show them.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/25 at 05:26:35

No US citizens are being randomly arrested and jailed for days or weeks at a time with no charges filed.


Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/26/25 at 05:47:30


487A7D6C6B7A6D527E6D741F0 wrote:
No US citizens are being randomly arrested and jailed for days or weeks at a time with no charges filed.


LIAR!



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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by thumperclone on 10/26/25 at 07:34:56

[quote author=6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 link=1761226520/30#32 date=1761481595]No US citizens are being randomly arrested and jailed for days or weeks at a time with no charges filed.


 170 US citizens so far

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/25 at 07:44:29


160A170F120710010E0D0C07620 wrote:
[quote author=6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 link=1761226520/30#32 date=1761481595]No US citizens are being randomly arrested and jailed for days or weeks at a time with no charges filed.


 170 US citizens so far


Ok then it should be easy to give me some names of US citizens in jail without any charges being filed.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/25 at 08:15:35

"...  they trusted I met the immigration requirements. ...
...  arranged a meeting there with a shady person who could arrange papers, ..."


A Yep, ALL OVER in the USA the FRAUD happened.
    (And it happened in Europe also)

For a long time in MN, it cost 100.00 to get a FAKE,
DL, SS Card, and a Green Card.
 (Now it's probably a LOT higher)

60 + years ago, it was simple.
Just a green card for the migrant workers who harvested peas & corn for Green Giant.

Then a few started staying, worked odd jobs for cash, sent money back home without paying taxes. Then some more, and more, and more.
Everyone knew this, and the people that stayed were told, 'Get Your Citizenship'.   Which most did.

Until the FDS, WOKE,
    DFI Socialists    
got involved.


















Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/26/25 at 10:15:37

If y'all are so butt-hurt over "illegals", you ought to be pushing to deport Musk. He's illegal.



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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Eegore on 10/26/25 at 11:21:21


 There are US citizens being held by ICE for days or "weeks" without charges.

 Specifically the humans held for "weeks" were children.  The parents were unreachable or non-US citizen humans that were in custody.  The children were not charged with crimes.

 So yes some US citizens, children, were held for "weeks" due to their parents or alternative family members being unable to retrieve them, and not charged with any crimes.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by thumperclone on 10/26/25 at 13:32:10


[/quote]

Ok then it should be easy to give me some names of US citizens in jail without any charges being filed. [/quote]

you're funny ;D

I wouldn't even if I could

you're missing your Sunday idol worship ritiual

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/25 at 13:53:04


425E435B465344555A595853360 wrote:


Ok then it should be easy to give me some names of US citizens in jail without any charges being filed. [/quote]

you're funny ;D

I wouldn't even if I could

you're missing your Sunday idol worship ritiual
[/quote]

You can’t because there are none.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/26/25 at 14:11:21

Weebles, that is a D@MN LIE. You can't believe a lie into truth, no matter what Don TACO said.




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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/25 at 14:44:29


0E2525242C2533400 wrote:
"... y'all are so butt-hurt over "illegals" ..."


Ya just don't GET IT.

The vast majority of people living on this spaceship,
do NOT CARE,
what skin color, heritage, religion, language a person has.

What maters is;

Does that person ignore common protocol of the Nation they are in, like SHITTING on the sidewalk, EATING dogs and Cats.

Do they, STEAL, CHEAT, LIE, sell drugs, sell people, kill, etc, etc, etc.

        If so,
THEY have the problem !



Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Serowbot on 10/26/25 at 15:01:15

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/10/22/more-than-170-us-citizens-detained-by-immigration-agents/86730044007/
170 US citizens detained by immigration agents; some beaten, dragged, held for days


Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by thumperclone on 10/26/25 at 15:05:10


755E5E5F575E483B0 wrote:
Weebles, that is a D@MN LIE. You can't believe a lie into truth, no matter what Don TACO said.




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He lives in a bubble of Kool aide


Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/25 at 15:31:11

All you keep doing is posting a link to the same story.

Give me a couple names of US citizens arrested and jailed without charges.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/25 at 17:50:06

"...Specifically the humans held for "weeks" were children.  The parents were unreachable or non-US citizen humans that were in custody.  The children were not charged with crimes. ..."

WHAT ????

Ya mean someone else,
did NOT report the,
'Rest Of The Story',

Sure sounds like, inferring/implying, something, by only using one part of the information about that thing.



Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/25 at 18:10:23


6249494840495F2C0 wrote:
"... Musk. He's illegal."


And AGAIN another total LIE.

Even the UL Snope's,
who did REAMS of BS,
did not have the balls to say the TRUTH.




Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/27/25 at 14:12:47

Bullshit. Musk came here on a STUDENT visa. He dropped out after a class or two and started a business illegally while on the student visa, then went on to lie on his application for a business visa. You know, the part where it asks if you've ever broken any US laws? If you answer "yes", no visa, so he HAD to lie to get it, and the same for his citizenship application. EVERYTHING MUSK HAS DONE IN THE US WAS AS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. EVERYTHING.


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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/27/25 at 15:40:13


Sent ice?

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Serowbot on 10/27/25 at 16:16:35


674C4C4D454C5A290 wrote:
Bullshit. Musk came here on a STUDENT visa.

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Melania came here on an Einstein visa!   ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Einstein!

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/27/25 at 16:32:33

They came here to help Trump make America great again. A ballroom belongs to a great country.
We will be part of the universe soon. Only Gaza is a bit of a crappity smack off.
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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by zevenenergie on 10/27/25 at 16:33:29

We're doing great, don't you think? ;)

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by JOG on 10/27/25 at 17:43:18


3A2C3B263E2B263D490 wrote:
[quote author=674C4C4D454C5A290 link=1761226520/45#48 date=1761599567]Bullshit. Musk came here on a STUDENT visa.

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Melania came here on an Einstein visa!   ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Einstein![/quote]

Guaranteed
She's smarter than you.

Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/28/25 at 06:20:15

I've got underwear smarter than her.




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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/28/25 at 08:48:30

The Trump minions have been revealed trying to give him an excuse to start a war....

https://nypost.com/2025/10/28/us-news/venezuela-claims-it-captured-mercenaries-with-ties-to-cia-plotting-a-false-flag-attack/


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-28/venezuela-accuses-us-of-plotting-false-flag-operation/105941884

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/venezuela-cia-false-flag-attack-b2853568.html


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Title: Re: Hard facts
Post by Needles on 10/29/25 at 08:28:05

"A nation once admired now starves its poor, silences its women, turns away the desperate and poisons the land, refusing to protect the Earth that sustains it."



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