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Title: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Surviving Philly on 10/23/25 at 07:13:55 Yo savages, Hd Is expected to reveal the new sub $6000 MSRP sprint by the end of this month. I've been reading that it's expected to be A 30-40 HP entry level bike with around a 400-500 displacement. Are we anticipating a HD thumper? Carbureted? my big fear is that based on the low MSRP we aren't talking about American made here -- most likely manufactured in Asia, unless the trump admin has worked out a deal with HD to produce domestically to avoid tarrifs. Any excitement around this bike? If it's AMERICMA made, air cooler and carbed I would be very interested... |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Dave on 10/23/25 at 09:35:40 79485C454746454847290 wrote:
I seriously doubt it will have a carb - to meet modern clean air requirements around the world it will likely be fuel injected and have a catalyst in the exhaust. For the same reasons that air cooled cars went away year ago - it is most likely air cooled motorcycles will become scarce or non existent. When you tweak the pollution output of an engine they run much hotter - and longevity of the engine often requires the use of water cooling. Since they have labeled it "Sprint" - perhaps it could be a single. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Surviving Philly on 10/23/25 at 09:53:26 All good points Dave, I do know this admin has proposed to reduce emissions regs at the federal level -- but I wouldn't count on any of these changes any time soon, nor would I nessecarily bet on anything this admin says (I've found it best to judge this admin by actions, rather than rhetoric). But it looks like the sprint is purely for the US market, HD already makes weird-ass 350s and others in Asia and Europe that never hit the road here. Just daydreaming here, but man would it be nice to see an air cooled single, carbed, with filthy emissions --- just absolutely lewd. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by ThumperPaul on 10/23/25 at 10:22:33 Dave makes some good points. If it’s carburetored, I’ll be shocked. While some people like a carbed bike for simplicity, the entire universe has gone fuel injected. Regardless of what type engine HD puts in it, I expect the bike to be a sales flop. HD is way too late to the party and the competition is fierce for street bikes under 500cc and around $6k. The list is long… The Triumph 400 setting the bar high. And then there’s… Kawasaki Eliminator Honda Rebel 300 Royal Enfield 350 (various configurations) Dare I include the Yamaha V-Star 250 Several CFMoto bikes I’m more curious than interested at this stage. Lots of hype… |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Surviving Philly on 10/23/25 at 15:21:01 Thumper I agree the market is an uphill battle -- But I think H/D could have the potential to do something unique here: Assuming they build these things in Milwaukee, how can they get a $6000 dollar MSRP? I would propose a carbed, air cooled, non ride-by-wire, bonafied motorcycle, something dripping with soul the likes of which H/D hasn't produced for the past quarter century (if not longer). I have to admit though if I were looking for a bike in this range right now to replace my savage, I would probably pick up a triumph 400 (one of the variants maybe, scramblers look real good). either way, I am extremely hyped and completely anticipate disappointment. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by ThumperPaul on 10/23/25 at 16:25:04 I like your thinking. I'm ready to see it. I'm not sure why HD hasn't teased out more details at this point. Did they actually engineer something truly new, or will it be takeoff on one of their Asian market bikes to save engineering and parts costs? |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 10/27/25 at 09:07:22 Hello guys. I hope Harley : re badges some Asian bike . I repaired a 2004 Sportster 1200cc that had a Case Hardened Doe-Ball-Steel CRANK-SHAFT one time. HD engineers wasn't " Thinking ahead " when they pulled that stunt ! The Splines had wore off and the welding rod material I used to repair it with was better steel than the original material. :( :( :( |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by ThumperPaul on 10/27/25 at 10:01:49 697B697B76656A676C240 wrote:
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Ruttly on 10/27/25 at 21:05:46 I read somewhere the Sprint will be a 440cc parallel twin fuel injected. I also read Yamaha has put a happy button on the trusty SR 500/400 also fuel injected but still a thumper. I think it’s a freakin fairy tale of the internet. A SR with a happy button , I’m in ! And I seriously doubt that Honda is bringing anything other than the XL650r , we would have seen it by now ! The RE singles are cool , just pick one , they come in several flavors. Almost time to go to a dealership nearby and see what I can find out , what’s coming and what’s not. BSA will not be attending in the fun here as usual. Honda does have the street going enduro XL300r. I’ll be first in line for a SR. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 10/27/25 at 21:48:14 Paul , doeball steel is the low carbon steel that usually get put in a press / mold pair and squishes like silly putty to fill the mold when pressed. It machines easily and when heated then quenched into a high carbon liquid it has a surface hardness that makes it useful for cheep applications. But its still like the silly putty of steel - below the case Harding .003" or .004" deep . Crank shafts are usually high carbon steel all the way through on machines that are built to last. In Harleys defense : The Sportsters were designed to be 883cc , the 1200cc was an after-thought. The Bore is 3" or 3.5" but all other parts are interchangeable. Years latter I put almost 50,000 miles on an 883 model before it started weeping oil then got sold. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by ThumperPaul on 10/28/25 at 15:15:14 1E39383820354C0 wrote:
What's a "happy button"? Is that some kind of ECU selection mode - like economy, rain, performance? Or nitrous or what? Or is that a starter button instead of 1970s kick start? If somebody has a happy button, I want one too! |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by LANCER on 10/28/25 at 18:14:08 I had a ‘78 SR500 that had electric & kick start. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 10/28/25 at 20:06:08 I think a new production SR500 or SR400 would suit my needs more-so than the Interceptor I just got ! :) https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_sr400%2018.htm https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_sr500t%2093.htm#google_vignette |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by LANCER on 10/28/25 at 20:11:25 Yamaha should bring it back |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Ruttly on 10/28/25 at 20:18:56 All the early TT , XT & SR were all kick start only. But they did make a 500cc twin in those same years with a happy button. T/P , happy button is my reference term for electric start. Everytime it starts I’m happy. Yeah I’m a simpleton ! A life of kick starting and now a bad hip has left me absolutely appreciative of a Happy button ! If I had a happy button on my bikes 50 years ago I might not need a new hip ! |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Dave on 10/29/25 at 04:53:29 28252A2721367673440 wrote:
The internet rumors suggest it will return in 2026.....however nothing on the Yamaha factory website yet. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Dave on 10/29/25 at 08:17:11 042322223A2F560 wrote:
After many years and many miles of riding....I believe the following is applicable to my motorcycle/engine needs: Single Cylinder - The perfect engine for riding in the mountains, cruising down rural and country roads...local rides to do errands or visit neighbors or going on day rides where you are out to enjoy the ride. Speeds of 60mph or below are preferred - occasional trips on the highway at 70mph are possible if you have a 500cc or bigger single. The benefit of bottom end grunt is useful on these relaxed rides. Twin Cylinder - If the goal is to get somewhere comfortably and you need to travel more at highway speeds - a twin is far more capable than a single. Even small twins are capable of interstate speeds with ease. My little 250cc Ninja could do 80mph all day long. Bigger twins have an advantage of more torque and lower rpm at cruise - but even a 400cc twin is capable of getting you where you need to go comfortably. When you start getting 650, 800 and larger twins you are getting into engines that are an absolute joy to own and ride, as they have both torque and horsepower (along with extra weight that makes them more stable at highway speeds). If the new Sprint is a twin - it will likely be a better commuter and travel bike. If it is a single - it will likely be a better "entry" level motorcycle for Harley riders to ride locally and learn how to ride from bar to bar! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 10/29/25 at 12:19:17 Look what I found ! https://www.harley-davidson.com/in/en/motorcycles/x-440.html 27 HP Long Stroke |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Dave on 10/29/25 at 15:31:00 647664767B68676A61290 wrote:
Harley has been offering this kind of bike outside of the US for several years.......maybe something like this will become the Sprint in the US. That bike looks heavy in the photo, and it weighs 428 pounds (194.5kg)!!!!!! The previous Yamaha SR500 weighed 348 pounds. My 800cc twin with 90HP only weighs 50 pounds more than that 440cc Harley! |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 10/29/25 at 20:00:57 I should have got a new SR400 years ago , but at the time the dealer told me the Alt. was brush type so I ran away from it. Now I think it had the permeant magnet rotor and I should have got one ... But , I've got two nice bikes now so all is well. Another 15 years I may be looking for a Honda trail 125 anyway ? :-/ ;) |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Ruttly on 10/29/25 at 20:39:23 Yeah I’m tired of waiting for the right thumper , I might have to get a RE Gorilla 450 , I would rather it be a Honda or a Yamaha. Really just want to buy & ride and not feeling up to anymore motorcycle projects. Turn the key and push the button , Ride ! No electric drives something with a carbon foot print that I can put fuel into. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Axman88 on 10/30/25 at 09:18:20 5A7D7C7C6471080 wrote:
If Honda's rumored GB500 turns out to be what I hope it does, it "might" turn out to be a Honda reliable, re-envisioning of the Royal Enfield Classic 500, that was discontinued five or so years ago. That "could" be an air cooled, EFI fueled, OHC single, of very close to 84mm x 90mm bore x stroke, excellent fuel economy, and just under 30 hp. https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/new-model-preview/the-2025-honda-gb350s-isnt-coming-to-the-us-but-a-gb500-might-44612620 Or, it could be a liquid cooled, inline twin, or never become anything more than rumors. If you aren't a betting man, and live in the UK, you could invest in one of those new "BSA" Gold Stars: https://www.bsacompany.co.uk/bsa-goldstar/ But, I wouldn't, why go liquid cooled if you aren't absolutely forced to, I would say. There's no waiting required for a Royal Enfield 350 https://www.royalenfield.com/us/en/motorcycles/classic-350/ Or a Genuine G400C: https://www.genuinescooters.com/products/g400c Or the Benelli Imperiale, which has finally arrived in the USA: https://www.keewayamerica.com/products/imperiale-400-2025 Or, a Triumph Speed 400: ( Pretty impressive HP from a 400) https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/classic/speed-400/speed-400-2024 There's more, but let's face it, sub 750cc bikes aren't very popular in the USA, most thumpers aren't exported to here. HD doesn't even plan to sell that X-440 here. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Dave on 10/30/25 at 09:43:59 I saw the Benilli Imperiale when I was in Italy a couple months ago....it was a nice looking bike. However - 20.7HP just isn't going to keep me from getting run over if I get on an interstate for a while. I feel that 30HP is the absolute minimum a single cylinder bike needs to be highway capable. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Axman88 on 10/30/25 at 11:22:28 02393423323E252338303D22510 wrote:
One reads this basic idea in dozens of motorcycle forums, but yet I've never read a single report of anyone being run down from behind while traveling too slow for traffic. Certainly, if it was something to actually be concerned about, all the riders of the current Royal Enfield 350s (which are rated about 21hp and will go 72mph, faster on those models that aren't speed limited by the firmware), and the UCE 350s, 500s and 535s that preceded them, would have a high incidence of "mowed down" accidents. Also, those Ural riders, who can't manage much more than 60 mph cruising, wouldn't be touring, they would be deceased. Even somebody speeding at 95 mph, will be closing on a bike traveling at 60mph, at only 35mph. My 9.5 hp scooter can manage 60, and I've taken it out on the highway, for brief, expedient, runs. I remember when there used to be signs on the highway ramps, stipulating that motorcycles entering be >175cc, but those signs seem to have disappeared. I wonder what, if any, legal limits exist now? What we do see MANY reports of, on the other hand, are fatal accidents where people exceeded the speed matching their skill level, and left their lane, or left the road entirely. I'm ONLY seeing reports of deaths from too much power, or those entirely unrelated to power, like a left turning car, and NO incidents resulting from too little power. Perhaps you can share the published report of incident where somebody was traveling too slow and was run over from behind? |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by ThumperPaul on 10/30/25 at 12:49:30 Maybe HD can catch up with the 1924 Triumph “R” - a 499cc thumper with 4 valves per cylinder. Harley can call it the “M4” and act like they invented something new (sarcasm oozing). The dudes on the HD M8 Facebook page are soooooo full of themselves. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Dave on 10/30/25 at 14:44:29 546D78747B2D2D150 wrote:
Maybe I chose my words poorly. I consider 30HP as "my" threshold for a couple of reasons: 1) I don't want to be the guy holding up traffic when I can't maintain 65 or 70mph while going up our KY hills. Sure I could likely find a slow truck to hide behind - I don't want that kind of a ride. 2) I don't want to be using 90-100% of my engine power (and rpm) to maintain a steady 65-70mph. I want a nice relaxed riding experience. Even my little 250 Ninja at 9,000 rpm was well below the 14,000 redline (36HP). I have my Savage currently set up to provide a very nice cruise. The engine has enough power to pull really tall gearing (Double Kawasaki Pulley Conversion) and an 18" rear wheel. At 60mph the engine is turning 3,500rpm and at 70mph it is turning 4,000...I need about half throttle to maintain these speeds. I have no problem staying with traffic on the highways. I try to ride rural roads most of the time - but sometimes the only way to get from one place to another is on a 65-70mph highway! Also - when I go riding with friends, I don't want to have them all waiting at the next STOP sign for me to catch up! |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by blod on 10/30/25 at 17:05:29 Is it made in China ? 239,500 Indian Rupee = 2,701.56 US Dollar I bet they will be MUCH more expensive by the time they get to America. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 10/30/25 at 20:17:52 I've got a 25-26 HP souped-up 350 Enfield that started @20.2HP. It's got gearing to red line (7,000 rpm) at 88-90mph. Max HP is @6100rpm Going up really Big+Long hills I fall in line with the 18 wheelers and have never had a problem except the 18 wheelers slow a lot more than I need to ... so I pass them and go on after we fall below 65mph ... but that option is always there if needed. The wind at or above 70 is the real problem. I've also got a 650 interceptor if there is very much Super Slab ridding in the day plan. But I like my little Thumper the best ! :) There is nothing wrong with ridding the speed limit ... somebody has too or how ELSE would the SPEEDERS know they are SPEEDING ? ;D DNA air intake , Performance 20+% CAM , FREE FLOWING DECAT EXAUST SYSTEM, TALLER GEARING BELT DRIVE SYSTEM (lighter weight drive line). Not really sure what the HP is now ? :-? And HP don't matter , the FUN FACTOR does ! :) |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Axman88 on 10/31/25 at 07:59:36 594B594B46555A575C140 wrote:
According to the few dyno results that we've seen shared over in the Royal Enfield forums, a factory fresh "J" 350, although rated by R.E. at over 20hp, actually deliver less than 15 to the rear wheel. Yet, even the largest Americans seem to be able to get them up to their internal speed limiters at ~73mph, and a few folks ( Jockey sized, or good at tucking, I'm guessing) have reported getting their RE 350s up over 80 mph. We should all take butt dyno reports and max speed testimonials with a grain of salt. One never gets enough details to know which way the wind was blowing, the road's incline, or whether the rider was drafting, let alone info regarding the size and posture of the rider. Still, my point would be that rated hp is seldom delivered. When I compare something like my all gear drive, 150cc scooter's performance vs. power, it seems to make a lot more of its less than 10hp, than my shaft drive 650 does with its alleged 40hp. It's too bad that more folks don't baseline dyno factory stock machines. Nobody is going to get any argument from me about their personal preferences. But when folks start claiming "I'll be run over if I can't go faster than traffic", (and I see that a LOT in moto forums) I ask for proof. I'm also skeptical that there exists any place in the USA that can only be reached by superslab, other than the rest stops on the expressways. It may be a lot easier and simpler to go that way, but is it really the ONLY road? |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Ruttly on 10/31/25 at 11:39:05 You may work harder gathering speed & momentum on a smaller displacement , but I find it super fun riding smaller bikes and just simply wringing out that tiny engine in every gear(providing it has no rev limiter). Nothing wrong with smaller bikes and just, don’t expect a lot , just make what you have work , huge fun can be had between 20 & 70 on a small bike on a tight twisty back road. But a well over 400 lb 440cc single with a rev limiter , I’ll just keep riding the tracker ! |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 10/31/25 at 21:26:09 Well , like dave said : I don't want to be the guy "Holding - up " traffic ... BUT ... If I'm doing the speed limit ... then I'm NOT holding - up Traffic and I'm NOT SPEEDING EITHER , I'm doing the RIGHT THING . What other folks do ... I'm not in charge of . :) But I do keep an eye on my mirrors to watch out for crazy people behind me even when driving the truck ! ;D Just drive the Speed Limit and Play Nice works just fine for me ! I've been told that in Germany "Speed Cameras " enforce the speed limits and tickets come through the mail. Just think of all the $$$'s that could be raised and how low Gas tax could get if we did the same as Germany ? And how much safer the Roads would be . 8-) Shame on American speed enforcement efforts !!! :( :( :( There are so many nice bikes out in the World that we don't get here in the USA ! I saw a U-Tube report on a Yamaha BW350 tonight , air cooled single . It was spinning the tire and jumping dirt piles in regular Yamaha fashion and looking good doing it. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by Dave on 11/01/25 at 07:00:41 0A33262A2573734B0 wrote:
There certainly are times/places where the Superslap is the only "reasonable" option....or when it becomes a necessity. MMRanch will remember the time he rode his Savage and met me at the Kickstand Lodge in Stecoah, NC for a few days of riding. The morning after his arrival we discovered the rear pulley teeth were worn to a knife edge, and we knew it was not going to last 4 days of riding in the mountains. We left around 9AM and took a nice relaxing back road trip to his house so we could trade the Savage for his Moto Guzzi. It was around 4PM when we got to his house - if we returned to the campground using the same route....we would not get back until 10PM! So as much as we hated to - we took the highways including a ride through Chattanooga. And when we are riding in the mountains of TN/NC/GA and want to go explore published rides that are not near the campground - we often will take the back road scenic route to get to loop....then take the highway home so we can get back before it gets dark and the deer start running around. MMRanch, my neighbor Bruce and I had that occur last year when we rode the Rattler. The ride out was nice - then as we got to the beginning of the Rattler the rain started, and unfortunately it never let up. The rain caused us to ride the route much slower than normal, and at 8PM we realized we were cold, wet and a long way from the campground. We told the GPS to take us home the quickest route...and even on the 4 lane highway it took us 90 minutes to get back to a warm shower. If we had taken back roads home we likely would not have arrived before midnight! (Unfortunately MM and I sometimes ride too far away from camp and get home much later than we would like...sometimes it is just too fun to stop). I do enjoy a small motorcycle for my local rides and where I have infinite control over the roads and can pick and choose where I ride. When I am riding in places far from home where I am not familiar with the area - I want a bike that can get me home at highway speeds when needed.....and I want a bike that can do it comfortably at half throttle! Having a "capable" bike doesn't mean you have to buy something exotic or expensive. A stock Savage can do a decent job and my little 250 Ninja could go anywhere. MMRanch's Royal Enfield 350 Meteor was really comfortable to ride - however the engine was just a bit shy of the needed power provided by the factory (in my opinion)....and evidently MM felt the same as he changed the cam, exhaust, air cleaner and was considering a piston/cylinder upgrade. I just want folks to consider that it may be necessary to ride on a highway now and then and maintain a steady 60-70mph - they should consider that when choosing a motorcycle. |
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Title: Re: 2026 HD sprint??? Post by MMRanch on 11/01/25 at 13:17:14 I just want folks to consider that it may be necessary to ride on a highway now and then and maintain a steady 60-70mph - they should consider that when choosing a motorcycle. Amen brother ! That's why I need two bikes ! ;) .............................. It used to be a S-40 and a Moto Guzzi , Now its a 350 Enfield and a 650 Enfield. |
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