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Message started by Needles on 11/14/25 at 15:09:46

Title: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Needles on 11/14/25 at 15:09:46

MAGATs, not necessarily known for their genius, have a simple problem. It's a problem GOP "conservatives" have always had. They think "socialism", and "capitalism" are single, discreet, systems. It's an offshoot of their general overly reductive attempts at logic. That's what makes them think everything can be reduced to either/or, black/white, +/-, 1/0 comparisons. They do not realize that there is no such thing as a "socialism" that is always bad and can be blocked or stopped. They do the same with "capitalism"--- to MAGATs, it's always good, and always superior. MAGATs are not capable of thinking about more than 2 variables. When they say "socialist", they THINK they are talking about one thing, when there are various socialisms. The Scandinavians, and most of the EU, claim to be "capitalists". Theirs is not the same as US "capitalism", nor is it the same as the capitalism practiced in Somalia, or Iraq, or many 3rd world countries. There is a RANGE of what is called "capitalism", just like there is a RANGE of what is called "socialism". Despite their claims, the EU is mostly democratic socialism, including Scandinavia. (Many of them try to get around that fact by claiming to be "social democratic" systems, though there are few distinctions between that and democratic socialism.) Democratic socialism is different from the Soviet Union, the Chinese version, the Cuban version, etc. Until MAGATs educate themselves, there will never be a meeting of minds with normal, thinking people.

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/25 at 04:13:50

They think "socialism", and "capitalism" are single, discreet, systems.

I regularly interact with somewhere in the neighborhood 200 of our outside sales engineers. I just returned from a week of training new employees, 25 individuals most of which are under 30 years old. I know the politics of at least 3/4 of these people, if not more, as it’s a regular topic and of those, easily 90% fall on the conservative side of the political spectrum. That’s not to say they’re Trump supporters necessarily but they are not Democratic voters in national elections.

Of all those people, no one fits your description. I don’t know anyone who would describe political and economic systems in such black-and-white terms. Any normal thinking person understands that competing interests dilutes the practical application of either capitalism, socialism, or communism.

Just because for the sake of arguments, or during conversations, people say the US is a capitalistic nation, that doesn’t mean they are claiming every economic activity operates under the rules of a classical definition of capitalism.

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by zevenenergie on 11/15/25 at 04:39:44

557E7E7F777E681B0 wrote:

You accuse a group of thinking in black and white terms, but… then you use a strong black and white stereotype of “MAGATs” such as:
unintelligent, incapable of more than two variables, and not logical.

This is the same mistake you accuse others of.
;)

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/25 at 05:09:25

You’ve probably already noticed this zeven, but as far needles go, this one’s not particularly sharp…..

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by zevenenergie on 11/15/25 at 05:45:18

We have to appreciate that he's trying.

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Needles on 11/15/25 at 05:56:38

And, yet, so many MAGATs on this little forum obviously think in discreet binary. Suffice it to say that ENOUGH MAGATs think that way that, if you're among the miniscule few who don't, YOU are not exemplary of the whole. Look at the reactions to my posts--- MAGATs immediately call my post lies. NOT misunderstanding, NOT mistakes, NOT misinformation--- lies. How many of you actually fact check what I post? (REAL fact checking, like from university research, or vetted news sources? (Currently, that is AP, Reuters, and a few other sites that actually practice journalism, not Fox, OAN, etc.) MAGATs act like internet forums are courts of law, when they are closer to conversations you'd hear in a bar. For me, forums are entertaining, not a serious venue. If I wanted that, I'd join a university think tank. Some of you don't even realize when you're being triggered. That is hilarious! If the MAGATs on here are a good sample, the Dems have nothing to worry about.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by zevenenergie on 11/15/25 at 06:23:22

You're not triggered are you?

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Needles on 11/15/25 at 06:27:06

Never.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by zevenenergie on 11/15/25 at 07:32:30

;)

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by MnSpring on 11/15/25 at 07:56:25

476C6C6D656C7A090 wrote:

"... immediately call my post lies. ..."

Rather simple.

It is what you have done,
time after time after time and after time after time ....

A perfect example is:
"... Re: Latest Epstein BS
Reply #17 - Today at 9:23am
Quote
--- there are pictures of Trump giving him a BJ!

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/25 at 08:02:09

183333323A3325560 wrote:

Eegore (for whatever reason) has requested backup for many of your claims which go unanswered. Whether this is a serious forum or not is debatable, but what’s not debatable is that we don’t take you serious. Why would we?

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Eegore on 11/15/25 at 09:46:46

MAGATs immediately call my post lies. NOT misunderstanding, NOT mistakes, NOT misinformation--- lies.

Interesting. You act as if there are only to types of forum members here: Ones that agree with you, and everyone else is a "MAGAT", which is literally the binary problem you are bringing up.

People who are not Conservatives, or "MAGAT" also think you lie. This has nothing to do with political affiliation, it has to do with you saying you will lie, then defending lying by saying you do it because Trump does it more. Now it's because you are "illogical" when you are "Pissed off".

Either way, even people who never voted or supported Trump, can't take most of what you say serious. People think your lies are lies, and they think some of what you say is misunderstanding, mistakes, or misinformation.

I used to, but your responses to anyone offering information that something you post is not correct, is typically followed with lies. You just make sh!t up when challenged and then call people names like that means anything. That's what makes you look like a liar on here, the random BS you make up when people don't agree with you.

How many of you actually fact check what I post? (REAL fact checking, like from university research, or vetted news sources?

You certainly don't. Where's your vetted fact check of the Bondi statement, used incidentally to show how people will believe lies. Shouldn't you have vetted such a statement and provided the references you demand of others?

Your expectation of others to verify the accuracy of your posts should start with you. But just like your admission of lying because others lie more, maybe you refuse to vet your own information because other people refuse more than you. People are sure to respect that right?

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Needles on 11/15/25 at 14:58:05

"Two". There are TWO types...

Name one non-MAGAT that thinks I automatically lie. Most non-MAGATs have some sense of humor.

I'm betting the videos of Trump giving Clinton a BJ is why they're not releasing the files. Since the files haven't been released, YOU can't prove there are no videos. Videos of Trump with children are what Epstein gave Putin for leverage over Trump. Everybody knows that.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Eegore on 11/15/25 at 16:06:54

"Two". There are TWO types...

Name one non-MAGAT that thinks I automatically lie. Most non-MAGATs have some sense of humor.

It's against forum policy to post information from PM's without both party's consent. People think you lie, because empirical evidence here indicates you lie. You tried the - I lie because Trump lies more - route, nobody respects or believes that. Nobody is going to believe you were joking this whole time either. You didn't claim LEO requires a WARRANT to wear masks as a joke. You just made it up.

If anything the - illogical when I am pissed off - explanation is the most truthful.

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/25 at 19:44:10

Needles lies like a rug.

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Needles on 11/16/25 at 05:16:28

Triggered you, huh? So does every MAGAT on this board, and every MAGAT everywhere, as far as I can tell. It's already established that lying is not a criteria when talking about Trump and the MAGAT minions. Y'all KNOW I'm right about them, and right about you, and that's no lie.

8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Needles on 11/16/25 at 05:24:01

"Trump let son in law Jared work without a secure background check for 4 years, who later made over 2 billion dollars.
Now Patel allows Bongino and 2 others to work for the FBI without background checks.
These people hold high profile positions with the highest security clearances.
Its not about America First, America's saftey, or law and order."

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by MnSpring on 11/17/25 at 07:30:21

5D7676777F7660130 wrote:

"Trump let son in law Jared work without a secure background check for 4 years,

The FACTS:

"...he could simply order that people be given a security clearance, as he was reported to have done for son-in-law Jared Kushner during his first term. ..."

"... Kushner is reportedly said to review the highly secret presidential daily brief each morning ..."

"... Kushner has held an interim security clearance for more than a year, ..."

"... “Security clearances are not mandated for the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, Supreme Court Justices, or other constitutional officers,” a recent Congressional Research Service report explains.

“The criteria for election or appointment to these positions are specified in the U.S. Constitution, and except by constitutional amendment, no additional criteria (e.g., holding a security clearance) may be required.” ..."

This this is the reason the FDS, WOKE, DFI Socialists all got their panties in a bunch.

"... Every year American citizens with family ties in China apply for security clearances, but for them the chances of getting a security clearance are remote. Winning the lottery has better odds. ..."

Title: Re: MAGAT'S REAL Problem
Post by Needles on 11/17/25 at 13:29:32

And YOU think that's ok...

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