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Hope this isn't painful
04/01/05 at 18:41:48
 
I've just discovered the S40 (Savage).  I'm very intrigued by this bike, so as someone who's new to this forum, I'll have to the ask the typical, painful questions.

This bike obviously had a cult following, which is cool.  I realize you have to know what to expect with a special bike like this.  But I'd still like to know the following:

What kind of top speed can be expected with a stock S40, and a 200lb rider?

What is a reasonable cruising speed to expect?

Sooner or later, if I had one, I'd want to load up a couple of soft bags, and point it 1,000 miles out of town.  How well can this bike handle it?

Thanks in advance.
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Reply #1 - 04/01/05 at 18:51:53
 
I'm guessing 85-90 is probably tops for a stock S40/Savage.  It will get up to 80 pretty quick, but after that you need a long road to see much faster.  The guy I bought mine from claims to have gone 108 between Austin and Killen TX (long, straight highway) but I really doubt it's true.

Mine will do 92, but that's jetted up with different exhaust.  88 riding double (me & wife, niether of us are small).

You can cruise wide open without trouble if you want.  I do about 75 most of the time, limited more by traffic than anything else.

The bike will do fine for a trip with bags, but if you carry an adult passenger the suspension will complain by bottoming - OK around town but a bummer on a road trip.

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Reply #2 - 04/01/05 at 19:23:35
 
Thanks for the quick reply.  What's the recommended aftermarket seat to get for these bikes?

Are there any performance mods that can be done without resorting to louder pipes?  (I'm not into loud bikes)

For a while now, I've been laboring over what bike to get.  I've considered cruisers, standards, naked bikes, etc.  I love sport bikes, but I wanted something I could ride two up for short distances with my wife, and sportbikes just aren't the answer.  I don't need speed, just the ability to get on the freeway when backroads don't suffice in getting me from point A to point B.

The S40 fits me so well when I sit on it, I was hoping it was up to the task, and it seems to be.  I was looking at Enfields, but they are pitifully unreliable.  Their owners love them, but admit they're good for short rides at best.

The S40 seems to have that charisma and sense of individuality that so few bikes possess.  The Triumph Bonneville is like that also.  I just don't know if I want to spend that kind of money on a Triumph.  The S40's price is a pleasant surprise, and today's gas issues make it even more attractive.
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Reply #3 - 04/01/05 at 19:31:21
 
Just jetting up the carb will do wonders for the bike's performance.  It's awful lean as are most new carb'd machines.

Wife and I ride the Savage quite a bit 2up.  She has actually taken off on the Savage a few times by herself, and she never rode a street bike before.  She's starting to complain about the tiny passenger seat though.

Don't know about any other seats, I have not tried them.

I also have a sportbike (YZF600), and I agree it aint no good for 2up riding unless your passenger is small (I have 5 kids ages 2-11.  Perfect for 4yrs old and up on the back).

I also agree the Bonneville is sooo sweeeeet.  I like everything, though.
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Reply #4 - 04/01/05 at 19:47:00
 
Interesting you should mention the YZF600.  It's one of the bikes I was researching when I considered getting back into the saddle.  It's a great bike, and the owners love them.  If I were buying a ride for myself, I'd seriously consider getting one, even over the FZ6.  

This past year has been a wierd one.  When I knew I'd be buying a bike after a 10 year layoff, I started looking at EVERYTHING.  I'd almost settled on the Suzuki C50, which is rapidly becoming a very popular ride.  I guess I'm just a little too resistant to going that route, though.  I've been considering the SV650, the Honda Aero, Kawasaki's 800 Vulcan, the FZ6 (for two-up), the 600/750 Katanas, the V-Star Classic, the Ninja 500, etc., etc., including the Bonneville.

I've been going crazy.  Lately, I've been lowering the price I want to spend on a bike, not so much out of need, but out of caution.  Everything nowadays is so polarized, and to tell you the truth, I miss the old UJM's.  The choices were easier.  I couldn't be certain I wouldn't regret buying a Harley wannabe bike.  The feedback websites lead one to think that the C50 is a good bike, except for the statement that so many owners seem to think has merit:  "Harley riders think my bike looks cool."  Like I'd ever care what anyone would care about my ride.

The S40 seems like such a bargain, and if the owner feedback web sites are indicative, it looks like a real fun bike.  Looks like my choices just got a little simpler.
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Reply #5 - 04/01/05 at 20:22:51
 
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I've just discovered the S40 (Savage).  ....This bike obviously had a cult following, which is cool.
I do not consider it so much of a cult as a sharing of common interest.  Most places speak of the Savage as a "girls bike" and a "beginner's bike."  While it does both those things quite well with it's low saddle and light weight -- it does have that Thumping 652cc mill that makes it a bike you can stay with indefinitely.
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...Sooner or later, if I had one, I'd want to load up a couple of soft bags, and point it 1,000 miles out of town.  How well can this bike handle it?
Are you talking about a 1,000 miles of interstate highway or a 1,000 miles of backroads?  The bike can handle the interstate -- but why bother?  A bike places you out in the middle of everything so why not relax and enjoy the backroads?  Two of the best vacations I had were a 2,300 mile trip to Seatle and back on a 450; and a 5-week run in the United Kingdom on a 500.
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Reply #6 - 04/01/05 at 20:34:28
 
If you like thumpers, then you will like this bike.  That is pretty much what to expect.  You can't expect v-twin or multi performance, but you will get reliability, light weight, control, comfort, and easy maintenance with this bike.  If those are what you want, then the "Savage40" is for you.

Also, forget about hauling passengers any long distance.  The light weight, wheel base and slim frame aren't up to that physically....it has the power to do it, but if you hope to haul a passenger around you need bigger "ergonomics" for that.  The bike is a solo mostly bike.....the passenger seat is best considered as a luggage rack Smiley

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Reply #7 - 04/01/05 at 20:48:55
 
The first thing one has to do, I think, when looking at a S40 or LS 650 Savage is to accept it for it is. It is, without doubt, the best middle weight cruiser on the market for about the the past 20 years or so.  Simple design, simple maintanence, very reliable, and a very pleasing bike to the eye.  Also, you can do many things to it to make it even better.

However, the S40 will not deliver the cruising comfort of say a Honda Gold Wing. If cruising comfort is what you want or need then buy one of the sofas on wheels; there are many to choose from.  

The S40 is a an excellent one up back road AND highway cruiser.  I do a lot of riding for the simple pleasure of it -- 350 to 400 miles on a Saturday is very common place for me and my Savage.  I have been on three extended road trips in the last year with my Savage the shortest of which was about 1,800 miles and over a five day period. It was a piece of cake.  I have taken the Savage through the Dragon's Tail once (I am going back  Grin) and it responded and handled perfectly.  The Savage or S40 is motorcycling as it was meant to be -- simplicity.  The S or C50 is also an exellent bike.

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Reply #8 - 04/01/05 at 20:52:13
 
So far as seats go, Suzuki offers a new gel replacement seat since they began to use a 1-piece on the S40's.  I'm not sure that it fits the Savage immediately but I'm I'm sure it could be make to.  There are a few others available.  I believe it was Gitarzan who recently snagged a really sweet 1-piece from eBay and put it on his.  He has some good shots of it on this site.  If you're looking for a springer seat, Sluggo used one on his though I think he's removed the springs recently.  You can always buy different padding or gel and recover your own.  I personally just use a sheepskin cover for everyday riding and have a detachable leather-covered gel-pad that I can use for long rides.  For ideas on places to shop for lots of stuff, try Best Sources for Savage Parts in the Technical Corner.  
The Technical Corner also has some pretty good instructions on maintenance and some of the easiest and most useful mods.  Some of these folks have gone to a fair amount of trouble to document (often fully photographed) a lot of the procedures.
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Reply #9 - 04/01/05 at 21:14:10
 
red2k1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
The first thing one has to do, I think, when looking at a S40 or LS 650 Savage is to accept it for it is. It is, without doubt, the best middle weight cruiser on the market for about the the past 20 years or so.  Simple design, simple maintanence, very reliable, and a very pleasing bike to the eye.  Also, you can do many things to it to make it even better.

However, the S40 will not deliver the cruising comfort of say a Honda Gold Wing. If cruising comfort is what you want or need then buy one of the sofas on wheels; there are many to choose from.  

The S40 is a an excellent one up back road AND highway cruiser.  I do a lot of riding for the simple pleasure of it -- 350 to 400 miles on a Saturday is very common place for me and my Savage.  I have been on three extended road trips in the last year with my Savage the shortest of which was about 1,800 miles and over a five day period. It was a piece of cake.  I have taken the Savage through the Dragon's Tail once (I am going back  Grin) and it responded and handled perfectly.  The Savage or S40 is motorcycling as it was meant to be -- simplicity.  The S or C50 is also an exellent bike.



You mean that you've done the Tail of the Dragon, too?  Good deal....ah, good Deal's Gap that is.
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Reply #10 - 04/01/05 at 21:25:12
 
These days, the term "cult following" simply means there are people who, through their fondness for something, share a common bond.  Bikes like the Concours are considered "cult bikes" because their owners disregard the negative press, and appreciate them for what they are.  An exaggerated term perhaps, but that's our current age of overstatement at work.  It's become clear to me, in recent times, that the Savage/S40 can be considered a cult bike, because of the loyalty of its ownership, and the distinct difference it shows with respect to other bikes in its class.

I'm not looking for touring bike comfort guys; come on now.  I've got more experience than that.  I'm not worried about the comfort thing;  I can take care of that.  I once took a 3,000 mile trip on a 650 Yamaha vertical twin (solid mounted engine, no counterbalancing).  Any bike can be made to tour, it's just what you're willing to put up with, and how creatively you can work around it.  My question had to do with whether the bike could handle the freeways, on long trips, when backroads wouldn't work, as I previously stated.

And I have no intention of touring two-up with this thing.  I only want to ride two-up for short trips, once again, as previously stated.
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Reply #11 - 04/01/05 at 21:31:04
 
It can definitely handle the freeway.  I ride the freeway to work whenever I deem the weather suitable and usually wind up going about 75 MPH in the HOV lane without any problems whatsoever.  I've taken a few trips of about 200 miles on my '98 and I have no fears she would balk at longer rides.

The Savage/S40 can also handle 2-up but only for short trips and your passenger will not care much for the stock pillion seat.
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Reply #12 - 04/01/05 at 21:36:35
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
The Savage/S40 can also handle 2-up but only for short trips and your passenger will not care much for the stock pillion seat.


Ah ha, now what did I say?  Echo.....

The Savage40 is a solo machine.

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Reply #13 - 04/01/05 at 21:38:39
 
Yes, it looks like the passenger seat issue is one I'll have to approach right away.  Suzuki offers two different versions of the gel seats.  Any ideas on which one is best for the passenger?
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Reply #14 - 04/01/05 at 21:40:04
 
samurai01us wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
These days, the term "cult following" simply means there are people who, through their fondness for something, share a common bond.  Bikes like the Concours are considered "cult bikes" because their owners disregard the negative press, and appreciate them for what they are.  An exaggerated term perhaps, but that's our current age of overstatement at work.  It's become clear to me, in recent times, that the Savage/S40 can be considered a cult bike, because of the loyalty of its ownership, and the distinct difference it shows with respect to other bikes in its class.

I'm not looking for touring bike comfort guys; come on now.  I've got more experience than that.  I'm not worried about the comfort thing;  I can take care of that.  I once took a 3,000 mile trip on a 650 Yamaha vertical twin (solid mounted engine, no counterbalancing).  Any bike can be made to tour, it's just what you're willing to put up with, and how creatively you can work around it.  My question had to do with whether the bike could handle the freeways, on long trips, when backroads wouldn't work, as I previously stated.

And I have no intention of touring two-up with this thing.  I only want to ride two-up for short trips, once again, as previously stated.


Well, with all that "painfully" stated......Buy one  Shocked
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