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Re: RESULTS R IN! Will not shift into 3rd!
Reply #15 - 07/28/05 at 04:45:37
 
Okay service tech said not an adjustment problem after he road it long enough to heat it up and duplicate the problem.  He was sure it was adjustment, too.  That is normally the problem when these things happen he said.  Once he felt it himself he calls and says " I got bad news your bike wont shift into 3rd when it is hot" !!!  (yes I told you that Wink)

Anyhow, because of warranty he had to call Suzuki to "open it up" thinking a bent shifter shaft or fork and spring problem? ( Did I say that right?)  He found nothing obvious, but took it apart and wiped things off put back together. AND NOW WE SHIFT WONDERFULLY!!
His best guess is after the initial oil change possible some metal shavings were causing a problem, or dirt in the wrong place kept it from zeroing after 2nd gear.

Whatever, it is fixed, my riding vacation is still on for next week and warranty covered it!!

Nothing like learning as I go.  You all have gave me so much great information and I plan on sticking around.  Had I not been here first, I think I may have been lost in his service tech talk.   Thank you, Thank you!! Grin
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Reply #16 - 07/28/05 at 05:16:29
 
might be fun just for grins to order one of the magnet drain plugs and see what it can pull out of the oil for you
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Reply #17 - 07/28/05 at 07:34:33
 
Paula71 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
..... He found nothing obvious, but took it apart and wiped things off put back together. AND NOW WE SHIFT WONDERFULLY!!

This is actually a common occurance with repair techs.  We look at something that is not working, can't see why, poke at it, and it starts working.  Why?  Who knows?  But I have had lots of trouble tickets closed as "CCWF -- Came Clear While Fumbling."

edit --  I still think it was something with the oil, since that would have been drained and replaced when he did his looksee.
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Re: Will not shift into 3rd!
Reply #18 - 07/28/05 at 07:45:08
 
Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
Just think about what you said....why would oil weight affect only 3rd gear?  Good point.

So what else could be possible?  Have you sat in the driveway and looked at your shifter while you changed gears?  You don't have to be moving.

Hey, advice here is free, but it's contingent on the idea that someone will learn something and do some troubleshooting, too.

Am I right?


I would listen to WD. I was having a similar problem with my Savage it only affected ONE gear and the clutch would slip at full throttle. It was due an oil change so I put in 20W-50 and the shifting problem went away. The clutch engaged better and firmer with the new oil. No shifting problems thus far about 1200 miles after the change.  8)
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Reply #19 - 07/28/05 at 09:52:50
 
Paladin. wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
This is actually a common occurance with repair techs.  We look at something that is not working, can't see why, poke at it, and it starts working.  Why?  Who knows?  But I have had lots of trouble tickets closed as "CCWF -- Came Clear While Fumbling."

edit --  I still think it was something with the oil, since that would have been drained and replaced when he did his looksee.


sussshhhh.... don't give away all our secrets - used to carry some beads my juju beads - waved them over ibm and amdahl mainframes quit a number of times to get them back up
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Reply #20 - 07/28/05 at 09:59:55
 
Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
sussshhhh.... don't give away all our secrets - used to carry some beads my juju beads - waved them over ibm and amdahl mainframes quit a number of times to get them back up


Reel you killin me man !!!!! 8)
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Reply #21 - 07/28/05 at 11:08:16
 
Paladin. wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
This is actually a common occurance with repair techs.  We look at something that is not working, can't see why, poke at it, and it starts working.  Why?  Who knows?  But I have had lots of trouble tickets closed as "CCWF -- Came Clear While Fumbling."

edit --  I still think it was something with the oil, since that would have been drained and replaced when he did his looksee.

Man, in telecom that is sooooooooo familiar...  CWT (Cleared While Testing).  Yeah, yeah.  Some guy at a DSX was just one jack off.
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Reply #22 - 07/28/05 at 17:40:53
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
Some guy at a DSX was just one jack off.


I've been accused of that, too
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Reply #23 - 07/29/05 at 04:13:26
 
Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
might be fun just for grins to order one of the magnet drain plugs and see what it can pull out of the oil for you


I read about those plugs around here somewhere didn't I?  That is a thought, might give it try Smiley
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Reply #24 - 07/29/05 at 04:18:52
 
[quote author=Paladin link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1122151727;start=0#17 date=07/28/05 at 07:34:33]
This is actually a common occurance with repair techs.  We look at something that is not working, can't see why, poke at it, and it starts working.  Why?  Who knows?  But I have had lots of trouble tickets closed as "CCWF -- Came Clear While Fumbling."

edit --  I still think it was something with the oil, since that would have been drained and replaced when he did his looksee.[/quote

My hubby says in his Auto Teching he gets the same thing, too. Can't find a thing wrong, but it clears up during the diagnostics and such.
Back to the oil again, everything makes since to that direction.  Hey, the temp around here dropped 20-25 degrees , too.
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Reply #25 - 07/29/05 at 06:12:56
 
Paula71 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
I read about those plugs around here somewhere didn't I?  That is a thought, might give it try Smiley

http://www.magneticdrainplug.com/motorcycle.html
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Reply #26 - 08/05/05 at 15:12:32
 
NEWBIES NOTICE: READ AND RESEARCH BEFORE STARTING A NEW TOPIC.
If you can't find your answer then post to an existing topic that is on or close to your topic and ask it there.
If you are a newbie do search all the info already posted here 1st. Your answer is likely here.

This forum is becoming flooded w/ repeat newbie questions and "new topics" that are not "NEW"! DAMIT! Angry

I have a beef w/ the number of new posters that have not read the forum.
Rob and others are often too kind in doing their homework, holding their hand, walking them to the correct topic, sp00n feeding them and wipe their little chins.

I agree with Greg it is getting difficult to cull through this crap, do to lazy or inconsiderate folks just wandering in and asking the SOS, not to mention it makes Susan’s job harder.

This is one of the best forums I have ever found.
I hate to see it turn into a bunch of repetitive useless threads, but we have all seen it before. Too bad!

If you "can't find it" it likely because there is too much BS piled on top of the all the goodies here that you are attempting (or are supposed to attempt) to find! This forum will move your question placed ANYWHERE including old topics to the top of the stack for all the others to see. It is becoming difficult to keep up as good, current topics get buried further under the BS new topics.
If you just wanna BS fine, we do that too, but BS does not deserve all these new topics.
Sorry if I am a bad guy for saying it, but was going to have to be said sooner or later anyway. Roll Eyes


Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
Instead of PMs you can use my offline address for more discussions on this if you need too.  Feel free, and I'll be glad to.

I have a web site to build and little forum time now.  So send questions to me direct if you want.
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Reply #27 - 08/05/05 at 15:23:24
 
It has gotten a lot worse in the past few weeks, I have to admit.  I agree sir.  There is a wealth of information and discussions already had several times over.  When searching, remember to set the number of days to something longer than the default of 7 days.  I usually use 500 and it works for me.

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Reply #28 - 08/05/05 at 15:38:47
 
Mr 650 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
NEWBIES NOTICE: READ AND RESEARCH BEFORE STARTING A NEW TOPIC.
If you can't find your answer then post to an existing topic that is on or close to your topic and ask it there.
If you are a newbie do search all the info already posted here 1st. Your answer is likely here.

This forum is becoming flooded w/ repeat newbie questions and "new topics" that are not "NEW"! DAMIT! Angry

I have a beef w/ the number of new posters that have not read the forum.
Rob and others are often too kind in doing their homework, holding their hand, walking them to the correct topic, sp00n feeding them and wipe their little chins.

I agree with Greg it is getting difficult to cull through this crap, do to lazy or inconsiderate folks just wandering in and asking the SOS, not to mention it makes Susan’s job harder.

This is one of the best forums I have ever found.
I hate to see it turn into a bunch of repetitive useless threads, but we have all seen it before. Too bad!
Sorry if I am a bad guy for saying it, but was going to have to be said sooner or later anyway.
If you "can't find it" it likely because there is too much BS piled on top of the all the goodies here that you are attempting (or are supposed to attempt) to find! This forum will move your question placed ANYWHERE including old topics to the top of the stack for all the others to see. It is becoming difficult to keep up as good, current topics get buried further under the BS new topics.
If you just wanna BS fine, we do that too, but BS does not deserve all these new topics. Roll Eyes




What the hay?  Did I do something wrong by asking about my bikes individual problem?  Sorry , will not be bothering you again.  

The shifting problem was researched first, as you can tell I had a problem that WAS CONSIDERED NOT TYPICAL therefore no answer was found in other topics.

As far as the drain plug goes, I can and do search for things around here Rob was kind and placed the link with out me asking.  Thank you Rob you have been helpful all along.
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Reply #29 - 08/05/05 at 15:53:03
 
I don't think that was directed specifically at you Paula.  I think it just brought the whole thing to mind.  I don't even want to count how many times I've seen people asking about their stock Savage/S40 backfiring and I know that topic is covered in major repetition already.  Complete instructions on rejetting, changing mufflers, etc. are pretty well covered.  Occasionally something different comes along, like the differences in the 86-87 carbs but now a lot of that is covered too.  Anyway, new stuff is cool. Clarifications are cool.  Even something that is hard to search.  However, there are a lot of recent posts that fit none of those.  They are mostly the result of someone taking the easier route of asking someone else to find the information for them.  That in itself begins to make it harder to find the therads with the real information.  I believe that's one thing Mr. 650 was trying to counter in asking people to post other questions at the end of existing threads of the same/similar topic.  Anyway, it's almost the weekend and I'm looking forward to riding some of it.

Ride Safely Folks Wink
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