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Reply #15 - 12/28/06 at 11:59:53

well, in the worst case scenario, you can take the head cover off of the bike (you will have to reseal it...). then turn the crank. tdc compression will be when the cam lobes are mroe or less down and the rockers are riding on the circular part of the cam profile. since the stock savage cam is so mild, you can pretty much do it anywhere on the round part.

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Reply #16 - 12/29/06 at 21:25:43

vroom1776 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

well, in the worst case scenario, you can take the head cover off of the bike (you will have to reseal it...). then turn the crank. tdc compression will be when the cam lobes are mroe or less down and the rockers are riding on the circular part of the cam profile. since the stock savage cam is so mild, you can pretty much do it anywhere on the round part.

Thank-you for the explaning the technical term "More or Less" (I was reading your Adjusting the Valves) in the Tech section and now you clarified why finding TDC is not as exact as the marks being perfect alignment.

Justin-o-guy wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

If the plug is out & you turn the engine over with a finger stuck in the plug hole you can find compression stroke. Then you will know when the marks line up you are at TDC compression. If you are there & there is no free play then no matter what the mechanic says, you NEED to adjust. Since you tried to get free play & you tried several times I would say you really need to adjust them.

That was exactly my opinion when I talked to the service manager. I understand that he had other calls and customers waiting. Does that mean I should get smoke blown at me?

verslagen1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

Push, blow, suck and squeeze. Or power, exhaust, intake and compression.
You may feel like you're back in grade school, but do it. This is a basic skill that you have to know.

This is Basically the knowledge I needed to grasp before I would be comfortable enough to move forward

Gentlemen. Thank-you. Hopefully this weekend (44 and to nice not to ride) or next weekend I will shut her down for repairs and MODS. You have made it so easy, even a geek can do it.

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justin_o_guy Ex Member	Re: Savage has top end noise Reply #17 - 12/29/06 at 21:32:52 Considering you had no slack in the valve train with the engine cold I would be afraid to ride it myself. When the valves get hot the get longer, slightly, & if there is no free play cold, the valves may not seat well after the engine warms up. Sure would stink to burn a valve..
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Reply #18 - 01/01/07 at 21:34:03

I made another attempt to adjust the valves again, and I do have every intention of doing so. The cover for the crank. The slotted cap. I spent way to much time and buggered it up a bit that " I need to find a tool" before proceeding. Will get intouch will a local Honda-ship to get the special tool.
Unless, in your wisdom You have better ideas.
I have moved on to tearing the speedo apart to fix for the last time the Speedo Rattle.

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Reply #19 - 01/01/07 at 21:47:31

Cant find a piece O meteal the right thickness & shape it to fit the groove? Grab it with the vise grips & give it a twist? Try a quarter& grind one side off a bit? Get it down to about 1/2 diameter & it will be in the groove plenty. I was given a monster screwdriver that doubles as a pry bar & it handles the chore well, but if I didn't have it I wouldn't pay for a tool, I would build it.

The speedo rattle went away when I stuck a thin adhesive backed rubberish strip under it. Just a cushion between tank & speedo kills the buzz. 2 sided tape, the foam kind, should work. The stuff I used is from a window unit air conditioner,

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Digger Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Ya gotta be tough to ride singles! Posts: 1604 Colorado Springs, CO Gender:	Re: Savage has top end noise Reply #20 - 01/23/07 at 19:56:19 After struggling with conventional feeler gauges, I got some of these: http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/tools/tappet_feeler_gauges/ Haven't used them yet, but they look to be the sh*t!
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Re: Savage has top end noise
Reply #22 - 01/24/07 at 20:10:57

AussieSavage wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:

The advise from all of you has been great. I took the dreaded tank off and started from scratch again today.

Put everything back together and the noise has disappeared. There is a chance I could have measured valve clearance, while moving the crankshaft in reverse on the first attempt.

Taking the old girl for a 400km ride tomorrow, lets hope all goes well.

Thanks guys, the help is appreciated

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Re: Savage has top end noise
Reply #23 - 01/24/07 at 20:50:43

Sorry gang for taking so long to update. I don't get online as much as l would like to. Valves are fine. I did take Heed to your suggestions. I parked the bike knowing it's not running right and then when I had time "put my finger in the hole and found TDC. And I needed it. runs fine now. Did the speedo fix and added the A/C padding. Last time I have to worry about the rattle. Moved on, did the White Spacer, Seat Riser, and fuel filter MODS. Next I want to check/ replace the fork seals/oil then do a complete spring cleanup/checkup so I'm ready to go. No I am not going to wait for spring to ride, I just want to be in good condition when it arrives. Of course then I need to swap out the muffler and get new jets so I can fine tune the carb. Zowwee!! I can't be stopped. Except for riding of course.
It must be pretty rewarding to watch someone who knows "only enough to get in trouble" progress to the point that they can confidently say, "Dealers forget it. I'll call ya IF I need ya".
The only thing I need is what I can't buy, The time to do it all. Sadly, duty calls, chores before rec time.
Thanks to everyone and to this site for compiling an indispensable wealth of knowledge and some hometown good humor.
All the best to the best.

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