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Jagndeke

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Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th or 5th
06/01/06 at 17:25:53

'96 Savage with 10K on it. Overall runs great. But I noticed that occassionally when shifting into 4th or 5th sometimes it doesn't shift up first time around. Sometimes I'll have to pull the clutch in again and shift it again for it to finally shift up a gear. Most of the time though it shifts up nice and smoothly. No problem with the lower gears at all.

Any thoughts as to why? Gears or synchros getting worn? Guess I should check the clutch play but off the top of my head the play seemed okay when I rode it earlier today.

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MacAttack Ex Member	Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o Reply #1 - 06/01/06 at 19:03:02 Out-of-adjustment linkage? That would be the hope, but lower gears are ok... hmmm... sounds like worn shifting dogs to me. Tech folks???
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steelwolf Serious Thumper Offline "I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride." Posts: 847 Trinity, NC Gender:	Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o Reply #2 - 06/01/06 at 19:04:29 Read this thread...http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;n...
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Jagndeke

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Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o
Reply #3 - 06/01/06 at 19:26:08

steelwolf wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:

Read this thread...http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;n...

Much obliged. I'll check it out this weekend and if I find anything I'll post back. If anyone else has any ideas, fire away. I might as well check as many things as I can while I'm at it this weekend.

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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o Reply #4 - 06/02/06 at 09:54:09 How much have you ride'n th bike? - seems your foot learns over time as well
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Jagndeke

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Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o
Reply #5 - 06/02/06 at 14:06:59

Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:

How much have you ride'n th bike? - seems your foot learns over time as well

That's a good point. I've only had the bike for a week now. And it's the first bike I've had in over 20 years. Used to ride daily for about 15 years but then life got in the way and biking was put on the back burner for the past 20 years.

So, yep... maybe my shift timing's a little off. I plan on putting quite a few miles on it this weekend so I'll pay a little more focus on the shifting action and see what happens.

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Jagndeke Ex Member	Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o Reply #6 - 06/05/06 at 17:24:58 Thanks for the feedback folks. Seems it's just my out-of-practice shifter foot afterall. Once I focused and put my mind on the task at hand (shifting) I didn't have a single problem. Guess I've got to spend some time retraining my shifter foot!!!
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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o Reply #7 - 06/06/06 at 10:20:17 took me 5k miles in 3months to stop missing gears on the moto guzzi - real different shifting beast that one - it just takes some time for the foot to learn - once it does you'll shift it without hardly knowing you did it
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Digger Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Ya gotta be tough to ride singles! Posts: 1604 Colorado Springs, CO Gender:	Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o Reply #8 - 01/05/07 at 20:16:20 A tip: One of the "easy fixes" to improve shifter action is to lube your clutch cable. It really works, try it!
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Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o
Reply #9 - 01/12/07 at 19:42:51

Some thoughts from the other side of the fence......
Based on my own experience, or the lack of it. I tried to haul my bike to the dealer for some repairs, (not having access to manual or Cymers yet). I strapped it down while the bike was still in gear. Major DON'T DO!!! I think the shift fork was bent during the attempted haul (never happened). Now I'm to chicken to do a tear-down to examine it. And like you I've adjusted my shift style and it rarely happens anymore. So until I get more free time and gutts to go looking for trouble, it's not broken.

Long version of my .02

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justin_o_guy

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Reply #10 - 01/13/07 at 16:24:38

I read that last post & went on. Thought about it & came back. I don't understand how being in gear & strapping it down could hurt the shift fork. Seems trying to shift w/engine turned off might bend it, or speed shift, no clutch might stand a chance, but just shoving the bike around in gear ought do nothing but drag the rear tire some or turn the motor over. Best I can tell anyway. Anyone else?Unles maybe it wasn't quite all the way in gear? I haven't even been in the tranny & might not undesttand it if I saw it. BUT, there's my thought. All .02, free!

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Reply #11 - 01/13/07 at 18:11:37

I quit using the clutch at all for 4-5 shifts. I noticed a "problem" shifting when I changed riding boots. They were taller than the old ones so if I kept my foot under the shifter between shifts it wouldn't "reset" and therefore not grab the next gear. Figured the problem out quickly and adjusted my shifting technique accordingly. As mentioned many times, every bike has it own little quirks.

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riptide_fl Ex Member	Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o Reply #12 - 01/15/07 at 06:49:28 I had the same problem as Barry, new boots wouldn't let it shift properly because my toe was not letting it return to the reset position...I adjusted the shift linkage to raise the shift lever slightly and everything is fine now !!..Good luck with it !!..John
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Re: Occassional "miss" shifting to 4th o
Reply #13 - 01/15/07 at 18:11:45

justin_o_guy wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

I read that last post & went on. Thought about it & came back. I don't understand how being in gear & strapping it down could hurt the shift fork.

Thanks for giving it some consideration. What I can tell you is what knew at the time. I strapped down the bike, front and rear( through the rim) with it in gear, then the bike fell over. I'm pretty sure the front seals are shot, if not from me then the previous owner. They go down to easy.
When I took the bike off the truck (abandoned the trip) their was a whining coming from the engine that I had never heard before. Over time it disappeared. But that's when the 5th gear miss began.
Again, if I shift it slower and smoother it falls right in place.

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justin_o_guy

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Reply #14 - 01/16/07 at 02:17:31

generally, I th9ink the tranny is very well done. Not too clunky, can shift w/o clutch very easily. I have had probs with missing 4th & 5th, but, a previous post pointed oout my erroe. I wwasn't letting my toe down far enough to let the shifter cycle. So, when I am thinking I have no problem at all.
One thing I have noticed is that going into 5th it doesn't feel like the shifter travels all the way unless I leave my toe on it & give it another good shove. Doesn't seem to matter whether I do it or bot, cuz it never pops out & drops to 4th even if I don't force it. Also, if I just go on & run it, then try to hit the shifter adain, it feels fully engaged in 5th, so, whatever is causing the thing to not want to travel all the way isn't seeming to be a p[roblem. Just curious if anyone elses does that..

Sometimes clutchless shifting, it will pop out of 2nd when the torque climbs & I'll suddenly be in neutral. I don't blame the tranny. I expect thats hard on it tho.

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