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wild one
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Pilot jet size?
06/20/06 at 20:20:14
 
I've read alot of the posts on rejeting and our infamous backfiring issue. Ive done some of the mods but still backfire about 20% of the time when upshifting from 2-3 and 3-4 gear and also when engine braking. Currently I have a sportster muffler (which I love), 1/2 spacer, 152.5 main and the mixture screw set at 2.25 turns out. I know it's set a bit rich because I don't need to use the choke to start it. Just hit the starter and she starts right up and doesn't die. Last I checked the spark plug it looked fine. No carbon. I don't think there are any exhaust leaks. I'd really like to eliminate the backfire completely. Should I try a bigger pilot jet? I see many here go with the #55. According to the model year there should be a #52.5 in it now.
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Reply #1 - 06/20/06 at 20:50:55
 
Good luck.  I upped mine to a 55 pilot and still get backfires when upshifting from 1-2 and 2-3.  I've checked every joint on that thing that could leak as well as gone thru the carb and verified no plugged jets/passages.
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Reply #2 - 06/22/06 at 07:53:00
 
sure its not a leak in ur exhaust??

when in doubt . weld it. haha

it will work.
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Reply #3 - 06/22/06 at 11:55:51
 
Jim_R wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
sure its not a leak in ur exhaust??

when in doubt . weld it. haha

it will work.  



Jim, as far as I can tell there are no exhaust leaks.  I used new gaskets at the muffler and at the header, and the bolts are torqued very well at both locations.  I'm going to go back to the carburetor at the advice of Brewbrother and check the boots on the intake/exhaust sides of the carb to make sure they're not overtightened.

Other than that, I don't know which way to go next but I know it is about to pi$$ me off!  Sad
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Reply #4 - 06/22/06 at 14:47:23
 
911radioman wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
Jim, as far as I can tell there are no exhaust leaks.  I used new gaskets at the muffler and at the header, and the bolts are torqued very well at both locations.  I'm going to go back to the carburetor at the advice of Brewbrother and check the boots on the intake/exhaust sides of the carb to make sure they're not overtightened.

Other than that, I don't know which way to go next but I know it is about to pi$$ me off!  Sad


over or under tightened. either way you will have a leak and a potential backfire.
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Reply #5 - 06/22/06 at 15:32:15
 
debby's backfires just about the same as yours, you can see by our signature, we've done all the mods, i dont truthfully think the pilot jet had much effect on the shift-bang, but it did change the idle mix sweet spot and added a little poof in the tailpipe a couple seconds after the engine is shut off. i can nearly eliminate the backfire/shift-boom, by not returning the throttle to the totally closed position between shifts, and rapping the throttle during downshifts. i attribute the current state of pop/bang to a rather short (17") and open muffler, i may futz with it later to see if i can eliminate it for real, but for now, i make her ride on the right side of me Grin
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Reply #6 - 06/22/06 at 16:25:05
 
The only way I got my bike to stop the backfire compleatly after the new #55 pilot was to turn out the mix screw. I reworked all the joints in the intake and the exhaust, turn my mix back and forth 8 thousand times and it still poped at the shift. Finally I got mad turned it out to 3 and no more pop. Since then I have been working it back in. It now sets comfortably at 2.75 turns out. But keep in mind I am running an open 1.75"OD pipe and the stock air filter in the stock air box with my 152.5 main, #55 pilot, and 1/2 spacer.
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Reply #7 - 06/22/06 at 16:44:31
 
Carbs are fun, aren't they?   Grin
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Reply #8 - 06/22/06 at 17:05:49
 
LANCER wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
Carbs are fun, aren't they?   Grin


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Reply #9 - 06/23/06 at 05:37:20
 
Definitely yes carbs are fun.

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Reply #10 - 06/23/06 at 06:34:23
 
Okay- don't laugh, but here's a quick and dirty check for exhaust leaks. (Mine leaks)......
Start it up cold-  within the 1st minute of running plug the end of the exhaust pipe with your hand as it's idling. (The pipe shouldn't get too hot yet.) You will hear hissing/leaking noises from wherever the leak is; or, you'll hear nothing and your engine will slow down and die. That's how I found several pinhole rust leaks in the the stock muffler. Hope this helps.
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Reply #11 - 06/24/06 at 07:59:54
 
neat hint, thanks we'll give that a try. sometimes the simplest ideas can be the ones that elude us.
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Reply #12 - 06/24/06 at 09:43:09
 
To rich can also cause a throttle off backfire.  I often ride from 2600ft where I live, to 9000ft.  The thinner air up there causes a richer mix and a very noticable corresponding increase in backfires. I noticed the same thing with my yamaha 225 serow and cured it by decreasing jet size in it from 130# main to 127.5#.
Your needing no choke when cold is a tell that your on the rich side.
 I know this is against common logic, but it did work for me.  A lot of people don't have the advantage of a 7000ft elevation change to try this, but if you do it can be a useful tuning tool.
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Reply #13 - 06/25/06 at 19:34:21
 
JerryAssburger wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
Okay- don't laugh, but here's a quick and dirty check for exhaust leaks. (Mine leaks)......
Start it up cold-  within the 1st minute of running plug the end of the exhaust pipe with your hand as it's idling. (The pipe shouldn't get too hot yet.) You will hear hissing/leaking noises from wherever the leak is; or, you'll hear nothing and your engine will slow down and die. That's how I found several pinhole rust leaks in the the stock muffler. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the tip. Istead of using my hand I used a potato to plug the end of the muffler (saw it in a movie) Grin and sure enoughthere were leaks at both ends of the 10 degree adapter. I put some soapy water by the clamps to get a visual on any leaks and the bubbles were very easy to see. I'm off tomorrow to the local muffler place to get a new adapter and their recommendations for sealing the system. Maybr I need better clamps or possibly weld the pipes together.
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Reply #14 - 06/27/06 at 04:38:47
 
A properly done weld WILL seal that puppy right up ... permanently.   Whenever possible, I weld.
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