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07/30/06 at 06:21:37
 
For those with experience riding other bikes, how does the Savage compare with other bikes in handling characteristics such as overall stability and dealing with back road curves.
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Reply #1 - 07/30/06 at 07:22:23
 
 IMO The Savage is #1 a cruiser, but it is also a light bike which makes for pretty good handeling overall. It is a little bit more afected by cross winds than a heavy bike would be, partly because the frontend being so light, to help overall handling RAISE THE REAR by putting on some  good 12" rear shocks and a fork brace  Shocked
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Reply #2 - 07/30/06 at 08:49:10
 
I've had 83 bikes.

The Savage is a good lightweight bike. You'll get blown around a bit on the superslab. Once you get to the twisties, it might wallow a bit, but it tracks like it is on rails.

Mine runs 15 inch rise apehangers, a cut down solo seat, and stock rear shocks. Handles great, still rides like crap. Needs to be hardtailed.

In a nutshell, it handles beautifully, but the supension is pathetic. And easily fixed (struts, bolt on hardtail, or better rear shocks and heavier fork oil).
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Reply #3 - 07/30/06 at 08:51:30
 

Ok, I'll ask here too -- anybody know what size/brand fork springs to use if, say, I wanted to upgrade the front forks?

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Reply #4 - 07/30/06 at 13:49:45
 
jaeger wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
Ok, I'll ask here too -- anybody know what size/brand fork springs to use if, say, I wanted to upgrade the front forks?

--Jaeger

The only source I know of is Hagon. You can find them scrolling down this link:http://www.hagon-shocks.co.uk/FS_Apps_list.htm
Progressive doesn't have the LS650 listed but if you know the right size, length, stiffness etc, some of theirs might fit. I've got stock springs so I can't say how these would work out.
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Reply #5 - 07/31/06 at 10:12:00
 
I slapped a 36" or so pipe on for drag bars, and hard tailed mine w/ struts, as SR suggested.  I can mandle the heck out of it.  Can drag footpegs through a figure 8 on a slope.  Frame gets rickety, though, over 75/80, IMO.
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Reply #6 - 07/31/06 at 11:30:29
 
vroom1776 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
I slapped a 36" or so pipe on for drag bars, and hard tailed mine w/ struts, as SR suggested.


I think it was suggested by WD, though I don't disagree.  I went the easier route of upgrading the shocks.  Since I used 12.5" shocks, it raised the rear noticeably but I've come to like it that way.  If you want to retain the lower rear, struts would likely be best though 11" Progressives would probably not raise it all that much.
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Reply #7 - 07/31/06 at 11:45:21
 
oops, yes, WD.  



10.25" to maintain stock ride height.  I made the 14 mm bushings in the machine shop.  Bob, the gear ehad who runs the machine shop at work, welded and heat treated them.
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Reply #8 - 07/31/06 at 11:58:25
 
i consider the savage a good "neutral" handling bike, it doesn't corner like a "cafe racer/sport bike" and it doesn't tour like a full size "bagger", but it fits very comfortably in the middle. it has good manners, in that it doesn't oversteer or understeer, the long rake on the forks gives it good straight line stability. a very good compromise, middle of the road bike. i've only ridden something less than 10 different bikes over the last 30+ years of riding, so i'm probably less qualified than others to speak, but that is my $.02
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Reply #9 - 07/31/06 at 12:11:26
 
I'm kinda like AZJay in response to the topic's question; I've only owned five bikes and ridden maybe fifteen others in nearly 30 years but I like the Savage's handling pretty well... once you get used to the overall lightness of the bike, that is.  That light weight tends to make you a bit more vulnerable to high winds and such but it makes her pretty nimble too.  I also agree that the fork brace and upgraded shocks make a big difference in both handling and ride quality.  I have yet to change the fork oil but when I do I'll go with WD's suggestion and try a heavier oil.
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Reply #10 - 07/31/06 at 12:22:59
 
babbalou wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:07:
The only source I know of is Hagon. You can find them scrolling down this link:http://www.hagon-shocks.co.uk/FS_Apps_list.htm
Progressive doesn't have the LS650 listed but if you know the right size, length, stiffness etc, some of theirs might fit. I've got stock springs so I can't say how these would work out.


Bingo!  That's what I needed!  Thank you very very much!

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Reply #11 - 08/01/06 at 00:45:37
 
I'm hardtailing mine with a set of $15 leaf spring lift shackles. Should drop the back end about 3 inches. Spring mounted solo seat. This winter or early spring, I'll (hopefully) convert it to chain drive and stretch the frame about 16 inches, along with a proper rigid frame modification (struts are dangerous). I'd like to put some better forks on it as well, say, a springer. I just don't like hydraulic front forks...
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Reply #12 - 08/01/06 at 04:50:25
 
WD wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
I'm hardtailing mine with a set of $15 leaf spring lift shackles. Should drop the back end about 3 inches. Spring mounted solo seat. This winter or early spring, I'll (hopefully) convert it to chain drive and stretch the frame about 16 inches, along with a proper rigid frame modification (struts are dangerous). I'd like to put some better forks on it as well, say, a springer. I just don't like hydraulic front forks...
-WD


Now see here ... I know you have been out back behind the dumpster again.  Every time you go out there you come back with some wild idea to modify it yet again.  It is really a shame that we are on opposite sides of this big block, if we could get together surely some good ideas would result from it.  
Years and years and years  back I had a friend who was called "Dandy Dan".  Don't get me wrong here, he was in no way "dandy", somewhere along the line he got stuck with the name in spite of himself.  In some ways you remind me of him, you even look a bit like him.   He was basically a creative thinker mechanically... made all sorts of things work when mere mortals thought they were dead.  Back in those days we had several dumpsters  scattered about the countryside from which we could launch our raids into civilization.  
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Reply #13 - 08/01/06 at 21:53:20
 
I work at a bike junkyard...I can't help it. And I have a very short attention span, and am easily bored. Ruining perfectly good motorcycles (as my wife puts it... Wink) keeps me out of trouble.
-WD

You should see the rolling roach now...it almost looks like a proper late 60's bike now. I'll try to get a pic or two tomorrow. Has mirrors that match the tail light, mounted partway up the rise of the apehangers. Completely useless, but, they keep it "legal", as if I worry about street legality.  Shocked
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Reply #14 - 08/02/06 at 07:06:49
 
i'm envious! how can it get any better? you get paid to play with bikes, have a huge parts source, and a creative nature! life's good!
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