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Re: Concerns about upgrades
Reply #15 - 08/10/06 at 03:36:42
 
Bugscraper wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
Wait, lemme get this straight -- are you saying that it runs much leaner than necessary for EPA standards?  I didn't know that.

The bike won't be long lasting with the factory jetting which is way too lean (to meet EPA standards).

It's jetting is designed to meet EPA standards and that is too lean for long life and smooth running.

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Reply #16 - 08/10/06 at 06:59:17
 
Exactly.  Suzuki jets and adjusts the bike much leaner than it should be if you wanted to get the best performance, power and lifespan out of the machine.  The seemingly obvious reason is that it's the cheapest way to help meet EPA emmisions standards.
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Reply #17 - 08/10/06 at 12:58:40
 
Dynobob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
The bike won't be long lasting with the factory jetting which is way too lean (to meet EPA standards).

It's jetting is designed to meet EPA standards and that is too lean for long life and smooth running.



OK, I read you wrong.  I thought you were saying it ran leaner than EPA-lean.
Is the only way to have a bike w/decent performance that also meets EPA standards to buy something w/FI like the C50?  Otherwise, it seems that mods are being done without concern for air quality (if that's really a legitimate issue in the 1st place)?
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Reply #18 - 08/10/06 at 14:29:46
 
The EPA's concern w/ motorcycle emissions is completely ridiculous.  MCs make up less than 1% of vehicles on the road.  Even then, stuff like coal burning power plants dwarf the emmissions of cars.  Heck if a vehicle is big enough, like a hummer, it doesn't have to meet federal emmissions standards.  Whey? b/c they can't.  The EPA is complete crap.   Angry
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Reply #19 - 08/10/06 at 14:53:28
 
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Reply #20 - 08/10/06 at 16:03:04
 
You'll see more and more bikes in the future going to fuel injection. I'm not sure why these thumpers suffer so much from the lean jetting. Most carbureted late model bikes have some drivability issues. Our Suzukis seem to be greatly affected by lean jetting. Perhaps it's due to the engines being big singles or maybe just cr@ppy engineering...dunno. What I do know is they're transformed by some simple and inexpensive jetting.

Are we showing utter disregard for air quality? Maybe. But like vroom said, these tiny little 30 horsepower machines aren't polluting anywhere near the big SUVs and trucks.

We're nearing the end of the era of carburetion. Microchips and FI are here to stay.
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Reply #21 - 08/11/06 at 09:51:09
 
Dynobob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
We're nearing the end of the era of carburetion. Microchips and FI are here to stay.


One day soon, carbs will be "old school," and very, very pimp on cruisers & choppers.
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Reply #22 - 08/14/06 at 20:20:48
 
Given the point a supply and demand and the lack of it with respect to aftermarket savage parts, what make of model of bike best matches up to limit the modifications.

I picked up a 96 Savage and am loving it.
Everything I have read about it being a learners bike is completely accurate, many people comment on it's curb appeal (to borrow a home phrase).

Everything negative I have read about it has become a reality as well. At 6' the bike feels small and as a direct result the arse lets me know it after about 45 mins. That is after the seat modifications listed on this site prior to that 15-30mins was about the max I could stand.
I would love opinions on what I can do to enjoy longer rides without the tailfeathers protesting.

The longer rides would also be limited to the range the gas tank offers. While it is far more economical than my four wheeler I can't get any more than 120kms to the tank. Will the air filter, jetting and exhaust recomendations (harley pipe)
offer an improvement in this area?
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Reply #23 - 08/15/06 at 06:26:13
 
So far as rider comfort, you might look into forward controls.  When it comes to fuel economy, you probably won't improve with rejetting.  In fact, you may lose a small amount while gaining power/performance.  About extending range, the TourTank is one option.  Another would be to adapt a larger tank to replace the stock LS650 tank.
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Re: Concerns about upgrades
Reply #24 - 08/15/06 at 07:24:01
 
I enjoy stopping every 100 miles for gas...gives me a chance to stretch...
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Re: Concerns about upgrades
Reply #25 - 08/15/06 at 22:40:37
 
The tour tank looks like the easier installation (as in the fabrication is already done for you) but I don't care for the appearance.
I will look around for others who have tried a tank swap but in the meantime I am going with divecop and just stopping more often, I know the butt will appreciate it (until a seat swap is done).

Your experiences in the absence of mine are appreciated.
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Re: Concerns about upgrades
Reply #26 - 08/16/06 at 03:01:58
 
charbour wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
At 6' the bike feels small and as a direct result the arse lets me know it after about 45 mins. That is after the seat modifications listed on this site prior to that 15-30mins was about the max I could stand.
I would love opinions on what I can do to enjoy longer rides without the tailfeathers protesting.



I installed the HD Sportster seat .

Best seat ever.

Tried the 2 piece gel, the S40 Pillow gel.

Greetz

Kropatchek 8)
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