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Guido
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White spacer maybe?
08/12/06 at 12:28:29
 
Okay, stupid question done to death, but here it is. May the carb gods be kind.
Still chasing an intermittent backfire. Just got back from a 60 mile test ride. On this ride I noticed if I didn't close the throttle all the way between shifts, the POP wasn't present. At all other times it was intermittent. Hard acceleration, sometimes. Short shifting, less frequent, sometimes a POP POP. Decel, jake brake-like with occassional crackles and sometimes a weird sounding POP. None of these are consistent except the one where I don't close the throttle all the way between shifts. It's close to being all the way. If I would put a pencil mark on the throttle handle and switch housing, the measurment from fully closed would probably only be about an 1/8th inch.
Now, my question finally, will shaving the white spacer a little more help this? I think taking the tank off is a pain in the butt, so I'm seeking opinions first.
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Re: White spacer maybe?
Reply #1 - 08/12/06 at 16:04:49
 
Anybody? ???
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Reply #2 - 08/12/06 at 16:21:43
 
I just rebuilt my carb and battling the same problem.  I shaved my spacer about half way and today I was tweaking the mixture but I, too, have a random backfire still.  I think mine is an exhaust leak, though, because my sportster muff isn't sealed 100%.

But tweaking the mixture did make significant differences in how often and how loud a backfire I get.  So maybe I'll eventually find the right spot for it.
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Reply #3 - 08/12/06 at 17:57:56
 
Try enriching the pilot circuit very slightly.
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Reply #4 - 08/12/06 at 18:42:36
 
if you replace your stock carb screws with allen head (s.s. better yet)screws  you can lossen the carb at the boots and rotate to do your carb work without removing tank...
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White spacer maybe?
Reply #5 - 08/13/06 at 16:35:52
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
Try enriching the pilot circuit very slightly.


Do you mean shave the spacer more or turn the mix screw out a bit? I ordered a new header gasket that I will try when it comes in. I've also cranked on the muff clamp to the point it feels like the threads will strip. Maybe I could try a better quality clamp for more force. The one that came with the Jardine seems kind of flimsy.
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Reply #6 - 08/13/06 at 22:36:17
 
I can't take credit for this, but using that "Muffler Repair Wrap" around and between the pipes (at the joint) seems to make a great air-tight heat-proof seal. It worked for me.
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Reply #7 - 08/13/06 at 23:03:31
 
Guido wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
Do you mean shave the spacer more or turn the mix screw out a bit?

The slow mixture screw is the pilot circuit. Turn it counterclockwise to richen the mixture a bit. I have a bit of popping but I think my head to header gasket is leaking a bit. I'll change it one day Grin
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Reply #8 - 08/14/06 at 06:37:28
 
JerryAssburger wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
I can't take credit for this, but using that "Muffler Repair Wrap" around and between the pipes (at the joint) seems to make a great air-tight heat-proof seal. It worked for me.


Maybe I used a different brand or something but I tried that a couple of years ago and it wound up just burning off.
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Reply #9 - 08/14/06 at 06:39:20
 
Dynobob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
The slow mixture screw is the pilot circuit. Turn it counterclockwise to richen the mixture a bit.

Exactly.  If it's maxed, you might need to upsize the pilot jet.  You will probably be able to open it up a bit though.
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Reply #10 - 08/14/06 at 14:36:28
 
Well it wasn't maxed. I set it by turning in til the idle slowed and out til the idle slowed, and the happy middle ended up being 1 1/2 turns out. Ran great there except for the occasional POP.
I took your advice and set it to 2 turns out (exactly where the idle starts to slow) when I got home from work. Then went for an 8 mile ride with a lot of shifting. Seems to be a little better but not as much power. Still POPS between shifts but didn't seem as often. I think I'll leave it there for a few days until the new header gasket comes in. Am I being too much of a perfectionist or can I really get rid of these POPS?
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Reply #11 - 08/14/06 at 14:58:48
 
It's still possible it could be an exhaust leak.
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Reply #12 - 08/14/06 at 15:18:54
 
Guido wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
Well it wasn't maxed. I set it by turning in til the idle slowed and out til the idle slowed, and the happy middle ended up being 1 1/2 turns out. Ran great there except for the occasional POP.
I took your advice and set it to 2 turns out (exactly where the idle starts to slow) when I got home from work. Then went for an 8 mile ride with a lot of shifting. Seems to be a little better but not as much power. Still POPS between shifts but didn't seem as often. I think I'll leave it there for a few days until the new header gasket comes in. Am I being too much of a perfectionist or can I really get rid of these POPS?

Sounds like it maybe out a touch to far and perhaps sucking some air either at the exhaust or the intake tube - on the mixture screw - when you get it close you need do 1/8 turn adjustments or less to fine tune that baby in
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Reply #13 - 08/14/06 at 15:45:13
 
I've been turning about a quarter at a time. I'll try the 1/8 turn to fine tune. It could be an exhaust leak at the header, that's why I ordered a new gasket just in case.
I did notice when on the side stand and twisting the throttle or holding an RPM and releasing, the muffler would shake. Especially when holding a certain RPM!! Harmonics? Should it do that? The bolts are pretty snug with the factory rubber washers still in use. What would happen if I took those off?
Could that be shaking the head pipe around?? HMMM.
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Reply #14 - 08/14/06 at 15:47:39
 
Also, Reelthing, it says your running a 155 and 3/64ths spacer on an 02. How does that do? Any backfires?
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