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Suzigirl
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Newbie with a fuel problem
09/28/06 at 18:44:52
 
Hi, I'm new and in need of some information for my savage. My mechanic did not find the root cause of my fouled plugs and gas ladden air filter. It runs fine sometimes and then starts acting up with a seriously rough throttle and cutting out which then leads to fouled plug and round and round I go......Old gas from winter ( yes my mistake) has been cleaned out and seafoamed. It ran great last season, then old gas incident, and now it hasn't been the same. Seems to be somewhat intermitent fuel delivery problem. Mechanic says he cleaned the carb and checked the float pin. Can the pin become "sticky"??  I am now an expert on replacing a spark plug!  Grin   any ideas for me would be most appreciated!
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #1 - 09/28/06 at 18:53:39
 
Girl! What year is your bike and how many miles on the odometer? If your bike is old and aged, time to remove that carb and clean it throughly. Any mods have done on it?
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Reply #2 - 09/28/06 at 19:06:31
 
No mods, 1999 is the year. I got a lotta gas flow and nowhere to burn it off.  mileage is 4800.  it was running beautiful after mechanic visit till I jolted over a bump and then bam! I couldn't restart at first then finally did and it rant like s**t. As usually the plug was fouled again! thanks!
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Reply #3 - 09/29/06 at 06:50:17
 
i just went through this with debby's bike, last week. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;n...
i cleaned the needle @ seat with aerosol carb cleaner and compressed air two or three times (over a period of a few frustrating days), added an in-line fuel filter, adjusted the valves, changed the oil, and all seems well now. you may have picked up some dirt from a fuel stop, and appearantly, the in-tank filter isn't adequate. i want to emphasize CHANGE THE OIL! our oil was completely diluted with gas, from the very same condition as you're experiencing. with out going into great detail and research (aside from the obvious lack of lubrication), i suspect that has something to do with the engine reverting back to a flooded condition. we did have a previous problem with old fuel varnishing circuits inside the carb, then the new fuel softened it up into a nasty ooze, but that cleaned out with aerosol carb cleaner too.
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #4 - 09/29/06 at 09:04:50
 
You can also try a fuel additive that cleans things out.  I doubt it'll work in your case, but for a few bucks, and not having to take everything apart, it might be worth a shot.
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #5 - 09/29/06 at 09:36:26
 
I mention this in a lot of fuel problem posts, so excuse the repetition.
An often overlooked part of the fuel system is the vacuum diaphram in the petc0ck.  Engine vacuum pulls a plug in the petc0ck allowing gas to flow down the fuel-line.  Problem is when the rubber diaphram surrounding the fuel-line plug starts to leak.  Then gas is sucked down the vac line strait into the engine.
Check that there is no gas in the vacuum line.  I had to give a little suck (don't laugh!) on the line to get gas to come out.  If there's any gas in there, that's your problem.  Took me 2 months to figure out.  Very easy to check.  
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #6 - 09/29/06 at 10:45:30
 
Thanks for all the great tips! I'm going to try all of them and see what happens. My dad was kind enough to help me today so we'll see what happens. Again, thanks for the info! I'll let you know how it works out Cheesy
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #7 - 09/29/06 at 13:28:04
 
Suzigirl wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09:
Can the pin become "sticky"??

Absolutely. The needle and seat above the float sticks and causes a flooding condition. Adding SeaFoam should unstick it. You can also rap on the side of the carb body with a screwdriver handle to help free it up.

It sounds like your fuel system still has varnish in it.
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #8 - 09/29/06 at 15:10:12
 
If it ran poorly after a jolt, don't exclude a loose electrical connnection around the coil etc, and the ground.
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #9 - 09/29/06 at 16:46:00
 
I got the carb out and the pin, float look okay, no dirt, operates okay when tapped, measurments are in line. Did notice on the big diaphram peice in the top part of the carb ( sorry, don't know all the part names yet) that it has deep rub marks only on some areas, hmmmm like it's been sticking in a couple of places. This I think moves up and down on top of the needle valve? will read further in my book on that.

I think my varnish problem may be gone. I do not see any remote suggestion that there is any goo or dirt anywhere in the fuel delivery path.  Also the vaccum line did not have gas in it nor did the crankcase.

Will check electric and coil as I ponder further....thanks for all good suggestions, I really appreciate it!
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #10 - 09/29/06 at 17:45:48
 
Suzigirl wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09:
Did notice on the big diaphram peice in the top part of the carb ( sorry, don't know all the part names yet) that it has deep rub marks only on some areas, hmmmm like it's been sticking in a couple of places. This I think moves up and down on top of the needle valve?

Make sure the slide (the piece below the diaphram which holds the  needle) is very clean and DO NOT put any kind of lube on it. Just spray it with some carb cleaner in the can and get it squeaky clean. Clean inside the carb where it slides too.
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #11 - 09/29/06 at 22:57:35
 
Cleaned the diaphram thing very gently and no lube. I do however think my dad and I found the issue.
After looking at the very clean carb, we got back to the fuel valve assembly on the gas tank. disassembled that diaphram, it was good but the pin inside that pushes the diaphram in and out when the fuel lever is moved was very bent to one side. It appears to have been riding in the little o ring. This would explain why the problem is intermitent. Don't know how it got bent or how long it's been like that but I do know I will get another assembly and see if that indeed solves the problem. I'm optimistic that this will work.  Smiley
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Re: Newbie with a fuel problem
Reply #12 - 09/29/06 at 23:44:11
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09:
An often overlooked part of the fuel system is the vacuum diaphram in the petc0ck.  Engine vacuum pulls a plug in the petc0ck allowing gas to flow down the fuel-line.  Problem is when the rubber diaphram surrounding the fuel-line plug starts to leak.  Then gas is sucked down the vac line strait into the engine.

best of luck


I went back and re-read all the tips and see that this was right on the money. although the diaphram and plug o ring look good, the bent pin most decidedly does not. It is a bugger to track down since all the focus is on carb when a fouled plug is in the picture. Thanks for the spot on.
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