SuzukiSavage.com - Tire woes

justin_o_guy Ex Member	Re: Tire woes Reply #15 - 01/14/07 at 05:09:11 There's only 1 shop in Longview open on Monday. The others close cuz they are open sat. & want their 2 day weekend. It's that way in Tyler, too. I kinda figured it was pretty common.
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riptide_fl Ex Member	Re: Tire woes Reply #16 - 01/14/07 at 06:26:20 After looking at the picture of your tire , it certainly appears to me as though the tire is rotating the wrong way. According to the tread design ,the tire is on the rim backwards. I assume the picture was taken from the front of the bike.
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allan Ex Member	Re: Tire woes Reply #17 - 01/14/07 at 08:59:29 looks to me its on wrong way round, allan.
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justin_o_guy

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Reply #18 - 01/14/07 at 11:47:25

Even if that's true, I wouldn't expect the rubber to self destruct. I don't know if the tire carcass is designed to handle the stress of rotation in one direction only, or if the tread is designed to more safely handle water in one direction only, but that the rubber itself will crater if the tire is rotated the wrong way is beyond my comprehension. IF that's true, those are some very complex rubber molecules that they can know which way they are rotating & be displeased so strongly as to disintegrate. It may be so, I just can't figure it. I've been that wrong & worse before! Wink

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TVR_FSO Serious Thumper Offline I'm Ya Huckleberry.... Posts: 870 Frisco, Texas Gender:	Re: Tire woes Reply #19 - 01/14/07 at 14:22:01 Think of it as wood and going against the grain. Or petting a porcupine from back to front rather than front to back (that oughta bring out a comment or two).
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barry68v10 Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 955 Maryland Gender:	Re: Tire woes Reply #20 - 01/14/07 at 14:28:36 I agree with TVR. AND IF the dealer was dumb enough to put the thing on backwards anyway, you got a free tire coming.
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Reply #21 - 01/15/07 at 03:05:05

Looks bassackwards to me too.

justin_o_guy wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

Even if that's true, I wouldn't expect the rubber to self destruct.

As you see, it can and will.

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I don't know if the tire carcass is designed to handle the stress of rotation in one direction only,

They are.

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or if the tread is designed to more safely handle water in one direction only, but that the rubber itself will crater if the tire is rotated the wrong way is beyond my comprehension. IF that's true, those are some very complex rubber molecules that they can know which way they are rotating & be displeased so strongly as to disintegrate. It may be so, I just can't figure it. I've been that wrong & worse before! Wink

It is all in the overall construction of the carcass.

Once again, if the shop put it on that way, I'd expect a free tire installed correctly.

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justin_o_guy

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Reply #22 - 01/15/07 at 13:20:42

Oh, I am with ya all the way on the free tire. Since it was mounted bakkwards, it's obviously not the owners fault. The thing that just blows my mind is that the rubber went to pieces so badly, so quickly. I understand the Porcupine thing, but whan I look at a porcupine or touch one I can see & feel the grain of the coa\t of the anima. I can't see or feel the grain on the rubber, the molecules rae attached to each other, unlike a dogs hair or quills, The differences are too great for the analogy, for me. IT IS happening,m I can see it, WHY, blows me away,., Good Luyck with the new tire,, They will surely take care of it without any hassle,

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riptide_fl

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Reply #23 - 01/16/07 at 05:38:35

I have been doing some reading about motorcycle tire design and it seems that all of the tire's handling characteristics are determined by the way the belts are designed into the tire. Because of this ,the tire is designed for rotation in one direction only. If the tire is installed backwards, all of the symptoms that were mentioned ( mushy braking,poor cornering, ect. ) will occur because the belts are not flexing the way they were designed to do, causing rapid deterioration of the tire's tread...

Regards, John

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justin_o_guy Ex Member	Re: Tire woes Reply #24 - 01/16/07 at 15:07:08 Thanks Rip,, You up around Pensacola?
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georgekathe

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Reply #25 - 01/16/07 at 15:12:10

nice research.

think one should be able to tell if tire on right way - both my metzlers on other bike & the Dunlop 404 on my Savage have direction arrows to easily show right way. recall when I took wheel in (save about $30 doing it) to have tire put on the store asked me what side disc was on bike so they'd get it right.

previously to that got home one day after new tire was put on my (other) bike by other place in town & looked @ tread & thought that don't look right. turned out on looking @ brochure I happened to have it was for a heavyweight bike & not a sports tourer I own (a Metzler, just not the wrong type of one). even worse, looking @ rotation arrow it was on wrong way!!

of course phoned bike store & rode gingerly to them (didn't just take wheel in as had done originally as wanted them to see it was on wrong) & got sheepish mechanic (he had already got nuts from his boss & was v. apologetic so did not give him hard time - maybe I should have) to put correct tire on right way.

will admit though that is why I now take wheels & tires to other store now Roll Eyes

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riptide_fl Ex Member	Re: Tire woes Reply #26 - 01/16/07 at 17:51:38 justin_o_guy wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01: Thanks Rip,, You up around Pensacola? Your welcome and no justin_o_guy I'm in New Port Richey, just north of Clearwater-St. Pete area
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Reply #27 - 01/17/07 at 15:19:41

georgekathe wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

nice research riptide.
don't tires have direction arrows so the guy with bum tire can easily see direction is wrong?

As I mentioned before after sparket mentioned the possibility of the tire being on backwards.

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Posted by: YonuhAdisi Posted on: Jan 12th, 2007, 5:47am
It is mounted in the correct rotation, that was another thing I had checked, just forgot to mention that one.

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georgekathe Ex Member	Re: Tire woes Reply #28 - 01/17/07 at 23:09:09 yeah - that is what I though/knew you said - was curious why others were saying it looked to be on wrong after you said it was mounted in the correct direction. whatever - agree with rest - sounds defective & something person who sold you tire should rectify foc.
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Reply #29 - 01/18/07 at 09:54:20

georgekathe wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

yeah - that is what I though/knew you said - was curious why others were saying it looked to be on wrong after you said it was mounted in the correct direction.

To have him check again, because it DOES look wrong. It never hurts to check twice. Of course if you have to check everything many times, then you're just showing OCD. Grin

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whatever - agree with rest - sounds defective & something person who sold you tire should rectify foc.

Ayup!

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