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Reply #15 - 03/19/08 at 20:23:32
 
I have replaced my old pilot screw because of being stripped. The one I have in now is maybe a couple of months old and in perfect condition. The o-ring I put in there was from Lowes, I will probably have to fo ahead and order one from the Suzuki stealership after all as the one I have in now is not exactly a perfect fit.
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Reply #16 - 03/20/08 at 14:33:00
 
I think I might have finally got the carb tuned. At least to the best of my ability. I will find out for sure here in a little while.
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Reply #17 - 03/22/08 at 10:09:00
 
Well, that didn't work, I am now flooding out and my pilot air screw is not turned out that far. All I can think is just order the actual o-ring that goes behind it instead of the one I got from Lowes and see if that will help it. If not, I may just need to get a new carb all together. I know I don't need to go down a pilot jet size.
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Reply #18 - 03/24/08 at 14:03:33
 
Just picked up the proper o-ring from the stealership and it is just a tad bit smaller in both diameter and thickness than the one I had picked up from Lowes. Gonna swap it out soon and will report back on the progress.
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Reply #19 - 03/25/08 at 21:02:41
 
That didn't work either blast it!!! The carb is really starting to anger me. I have replaced the oring, cleaned the carb, and everything I can think of and that blasted carb is still flooding out on me. Would the slide sticking cause the flooding out problem?
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Reply #20 - 03/25/08 at 22:57:45
 
52.5 pilot gave me shot gun blast back firing on decel.
55 back in and it floods it out.
By the way, I have tried to adjust the pilot screw to no avail.
I have replaced my old pilot screw because of being stripped.

Just wanted to go thru the symptoms it might point you in the right way.

1st, shot gun blast, it does it on decel, also shut down?
When my header leaked (loose bolts) I got the blast on decel and sometimes shifting, and shutdown (if I remember correctly, it's been a while)  Tightening the header bolts resulted in the normal poof on shut down.   Grin
2nd, floods out, only at idle?
3rd, you have replaced the pilot screw, was it the right one?  Sounds like there are 2 different types from what another has said.  Did the ends look alike? same length? etc.

I would say check the header gasket and the muffler connection for leak (candle flame sounds like a good way to check)

You can drill out the 52 to match the 55 or some where inbetween.  Personally, I wouldn't do this, but only as a last resort just before you get the shotgun.   Grin

I think either you got the wrong 55 or the pilot screw is the wrong one.  But check the header 1st.   Grin
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Reply #21 - 03/26/08 at 07:10:45
 
Try checking your compression. Low compression can create some wacky symptoms that can look like fuel delivery problems.

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Reply #22 - 03/26/08 at 07:27:10
 
Yonuh Adisi FSO wrote on 03/25/08 at 21:02:41:
Would the slide sticking cause the flooding out problem?

you bet, big time - when it goes back together it needs to be very clean and it's bore - no oil no greasy finger prints - otherwise the slide will push all the grime to the bottom of the bore - form a little ring and prevent the it from seating all the way - this in turn leaves the needle a little high in the needle jet tube and will flood the engine at low rpms
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Reply #23 - 03/26/08 at 08:34:38
 
If the slide was sticking wouldn't it be impossible to adjust the idle? I can see that it would let in more fuel, but it would have to let in more air at the same time, which would make the bike idle very high.

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Reply #24 - 03/26/08 at 09:02:58
 
not really as the throttle plate on the intake side would be closed
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Reply #25 - 03/26/08 at 12:58:32
 
Right you are.

Don't you have another savage? If so, and it runs well, why not try switching the carbs and see what happens? If the problems follow the carb then it's the carb, if not then at least you won't drive yourself crazy trying to fix the carb when the problem is elsewhere.

Just throwing that out there cause it seems like you've tried just about everything on the carb.

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Reply #26 - 03/26/08 at 21:12:41
 
JakeB wrote on 03/26/08 at 12:58:32:
Right you are.

Don't you have another savage? If so, and it runs well, why not try switching the carbs and see what happens? If the problems follow the carb then it's the carb, if not then at least you won't drive yourself crazy trying to fix the carb when the problem is elsewhere.

Just throwing that out there cause it seems like you've tried just about everything on the carb.

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No, I only have the one Savage. But after riding back and forth to work for a couple of days, I have decided the FireLizard is afraid of the dark. Riding to work, 12:00 or 1:00 o'clock she runs fine, coming home 9:30 or 10:00 at night she floods out as soon as I reach my drive way.

I'm thinking slide is sticking in the cooler air at night or there is something going on about air density. I have been racking my brains to figure it out.
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Reply #27 - 04/01/08 at 17:33:54
 
Okay, got the carb tore apart again in an attempt to find the gremlin bell immune gremlin.

If I find that little SOB I am gonna wring it's scrawny little neck and feed it to my cats.

I priced a new carb at the stealership and they want 500 bucks for it. I can get a brand new Holley double pumper for my truck for a lot less than that.
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Reply #28 - 04/01/08 at 18:13:25
 
Yonuh Adisi FSO wrote on 04/01/08 at 17:33:54:
Okay, got the carb tore apart again in an attempt to find the gremlin bell immune gremlin.

If I find that little SOB I am gonna wring it's scrawny little neck and feed it to my cats.

I priced a new carb at the stealership and they want 500 bucks for it. I can get a brand new Holley double pumper for my truck for a lot less than that.


wow - stay away from the stealing dealers on such a thing

the online folks aren't a lot better $363

hopefully it won't come to that
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Reply #29 - 04/01/08 at 19:46:56
 
There's one one ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/S7-SUZUKI-SAVAGE-CARB-CARBURATOR-650-LS-CARBS_...

and you do a lot better with lancer than the darn stealership.  They'd give you the carb in a box and maybe say thank you for your money.
lancer will give you cables, fuel filter, manual, jets.  Yeah, maybe you'll have to do some tuning, but you'd do that anyway.   Grin
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