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Reply #15 - 07/23/08 at 22:38:55
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/23/08 at 21:29:17:
That guy was wearing that huge coat & shorts???



 In typical British fashion, shorts were worn with knee socks, in cold weather. I believe he got the coat somewhere  in Arabia during his trip.
You should read his book:  "One Man Caravan", by Robert Edison Fulton Jr.  Its available on the 'Net.  In 1932, this man drove a  Douglas Twin motorcycle through 22 countries ( Arabia, China, India, etc.) , over 40,000 miles, on the worst road conditions possible, with no major breakdowns.  He brought with him a 35mm camera and large tins of film, and this footage may be seen on his DVD, "Twice Upon a Caravan", also available on the 'Net.


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Re: auxilary fuel tank?
Reply #16 - 07/23/08 at 23:25:45
 
Roadie wrote on 07/23/08 at 18:23:06:
Or you could just order one of these and save the headache...
http://www.tourtank.com/
Though someone might think you are on the way to a kegger..  But that's ok.   Wink

Good looking tank and a variety of sizes.

Is the rear mount the only option for these?

My ponderous personality is about all the rear end can take, can the tank be mounted up front?  Over the headlight?
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Reply #17 - 07/24/08 at 01:19:39
 
Back to the original query.

Cruising at 75mph is nice, but it's fast IF you haven't got a fairing (which is much more aerodynamic than a windshield)

75mph = 120 Km/h, if you slow down by 5mph you might not really notice the difference (depends on how much traffic there is on your stretch).

The Tourtank WAS nice,m when they had that 2 gal. cylinder you could fit over the fhandlebars, in "sleeping bag" fashion.
The newer 3 / 4 gal Tourtanks are just too bulky.

A 4 / 5 gal Fat Boy or Road King tank would make an ideal solution, I think KCINT sell fat Boy repros at $99.
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Re: auxilary fuel tank?
Reply #18 - 07/24/08 at 18:50:06
 
verslagen1 wrote on 07/23/08 at 23:25:45:
Roadie wrote on 07/23/08 at 18:23:06:
Or you could just order one of these and save the headache...
http://www.tourtank.com/
Though someone might think you are on the way to a kegger..  But that's ok.   Wink

Good looking tank and a variety of sizes.

Is the rear mount the only option for these?

My ponderous personality is about all the rear end can take, can the tank be mounted up front?  Over the headlight?


One of us here has one mounted to the back luggage rack.  They ran the tube from the "keg" back under the pillion seat.  

Forget who did this.  Looked nice.  You have to purchase another petcock (which they sell seperately) to switch the aux tank.  If I was into long distances this would be the way to go honestly.  Alot of bang for the buck...

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Reply #19 - 07/24/08 at 19:20:21
 
Jack_650 wrote on 07/23/08 at 19:50:53:
I did the four gallon tour tank on the back. You can set it up for a quick removal if you like. Then later replaced the stock tank with a five gallon off of a Harley SoftTail. Now I can go 400+ miles if needed between fuel stops. It comes in handy on the 4k+ mile trips I've done on the little 650 that can.
There's another guy on here who's just done the stock tank swap with a Harley cop cycle that sounded easier than my conversion did by a bit.

http://bikepics.com/members/jazzcarter/00savage/

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Wow, Jack.  That's awesome!  It looks great with the matching paint and the superman logo.  If you get time you should add a step-by-step of the mod to the tech section.  

Thanks for sharing!
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Reply #20 - 07/24/08 at 19:29:54
 
What kind of seat is on that yellow bike?

Seems like I knew at one time,but I forgot!
Need to write it down  Smiley
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Reply #21 - 07/24/08 at 21:09:36
 
FreeSpirit wrote on 07/24/08 at 19:29:54:
What kind of seat is on that yellow bike?

Seems like I knew at one time,but I forgot!
Need to write it down  Smiley


If you're talking about Jack650's bike, it is a V-star seat if I remember correctly.
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Reply #22 - 07/24/08 at 21:16:58
 
Yonuh Adisi FSO wrote on 07/24/08 at 21:09:36:
FreeSpirit wrote on 07/24/08 at 19:29:54:
What kind of seat is on that yellow bike?

Seems like I knew at one time,but I forgot!
Need to write it down  Smiley


If you're talking about Jack650's bike, it is a V-star seat if I remember correctly.


Aw...thank you! Now that youve said it....that sounds right Smiley
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Reply #23 - 07/25/08 at 09:13:15
 
Somewhere scattered around in here is the chatter about my mods to the "Thunder Bee". I'm not sure how the search function works in here or what it looks for term-wise, but if you go back a couple years (from when I signed up here) you'll find it all. And I will answer specific questions if there're cloudy issues in what I've written up here before.

V-Star seat
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Second party Harley floorboards
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Stock speedo on the handlebars/
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Tour tank
Trailer hitch
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Reply #24 - 07/27/08 at 08:09:32
 
Ok the jury has returned. My panel of engineering experts which include you guys has come to the following conclusion to be implemented as soon as funding is procured:

1)the battery shall henceforth be relocated to an area in front of the downtube and place in a black powdercoated battery box of my design

2)furthermore a 2 gallon tourtank shall be purchased and located neatly in the area formerly occupied by the battery and stock airbox displacing in the process the stock side covers. The tourtank fill cap shall be sealed permanently to prevent overfilling due to gravity from the stock tank. Tourtank filling is to be accomplished via a reverse flow through the transfer tube and tourtank is to vent into the stock tank via a return tube to enter stock tank through a new port to be braized in place.

3)a Mikuni vacuum operated pump shall be installed to transfer fuel from the aforementioned tourtank to the stock fuel tank and simultaniously the carburator via a tee fitting installed between the stock tank and the fuel filter along with a shutoff valve to be opened at the time of engaging the "reserve"


The budgeting department is requesting a requisition form filled out in triplicate, and anticipates funding to be available within the next month.
Battery relocation, air fiter change and carburator rejet is to begin this  week. I will keep you guys posted and try to learn how to post pics.

Thank you for your input it was very helpful.
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Reply #25 - 07/27/08 at 08:41:14
 
Man, I need your budgeting department to call my budgeting department and set up a lunch.  Mine gets all hung up in the mire of "groceries, shoes, mortgage, blah, blah, blah" to the point that nothig important ever gets done around here. Smiley
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Reply #26 - 07/27/08 at 08:42:25
 
firedawg wrote on 07/27/08 at 08:09:32:
Ok the jury has returned. My panel of engineering experts which include you guys has come to the following conclusion to be implemented as soon as funding is procured:

1)the battery shall henceforth be relocated to an area in front of the downtube and place in a black powdercoated battery box of my design

2)furthermore a 2 gallon tourtank shall be purchased and located main neatly in the area formerly occupied by the battery and stock airbox displacing in the process the stock side covers. The tourtank fill cap shall be sealed permanently to prevent overfilling due to gravity from the stock tank. Tourtank filling is to be accomplished via a reverse flow through the transfer tube and tourtank is to vent into the stock tank via a return tube to enter stock tank through a new port to be braized in place.

3)a Mikuni vacuum operated pump shall be installed to transfer fuel from the aforementioned tourtank to the stock fuel tank and simultaniously the carburator via a tee fitting installed between the stock tank and the fuel filter along with a shutoff valve to be opened at the time of engaging the "reserve"


The budgeting department is requesting a requisition form filled out in triplicate, and anticipates funding to be available within the next month.
Battery relocation, air fiter change and carburator rejet is to begin this  week. I will keep you guys posted and try to learn how to post pics.

Thank you for your input it was very helpful.




If the Mikuni vacuum pump pressure + the 'head' pressure of the main tank is more than the needle/seat assy. in the carb bowl is designed to resist, you may cause gasoline to push past the seat assy. and flood the bowl.  Remember, the seat assy. was designed to resist a set amount of fuel pressure.  Have you calculated the combined PSI of the Mikuni pump and the head of the main tank, and compared it to the PSI rating limitations of the bowl needle seat assy?  Also, if you are teeing the pump into the main tank, how will you displace the air in the tank as the vacuum pump pressurizes it? Assuming the cap is on, even if it is vented, it may not be vented enough to release air pressure as fast as the pump in transferring gas into it.  Under those conditions, the pump will try to then pressurize the carb bowl, which may overcome the needle.seat assy's ability to resist it, and flood the bowl.  Have you considered all of this?
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Re: auxilary fuel tank? updated with decision
Reply #27 - 07/27/08 at 13:15:23
 
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The pump in question is the same one as my snowmobile. It is not a transfer pump but actually feeds the carb which is also  a mikuni. Head pressure =not a problem.
As far as pressure in the tank vs. vented gas cap goes the vented cap is designed to let air so as not to cause a vacuum but not to let fumes out. The vent tube I will install from the auxilary tank to the stock tank will alow the air from the stock tank to enter the aux tank as it is emptied.
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Reply #28 - 07/27/08 at 15:51:59
 
firedawg wrote on 07/27/08 at 13:15:23:
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The pump in question is the same one as my snowmobile. It is not a transfer pump but actually feeds the carb which is also  a mikuni. Head pressure =not a problem.
As far as pressure in the tank vs. vented gas cap goes the vented cap is designed to let air so as not to cause a vacuum but not to let fumes out. The vent tube I will install from the auxilary tank to the stock tank will alow the air from the stock tank to enter the aux tank as it is emptied.




How about taking digital pics of the steps you take to do this, and then posting the whole thing on the Tech Section?
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Re: auxilary fuel tank? updated with decision
Reply #29 - 07/27/08 at 15:59:28
 
Why a tour tank how about a small beer keg Cheesy
And you get to drink the beer!!!!!!!!   Cool
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