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10/18/08 at 08:22:36
 
Anybody have issues with their ls650/s40 bogging down and dying randomly. every time it happens i check the tank and there is fuel in it. I've noticed it happens most when engine is cold, however on a few accounts i would have gotten off the highway after a long ride, and it would die at the first red light i come too.

If i keep on the throttle a bit, it will continue to run, but if i let it idol, it will sputter and die like there is no fuel.

any ideas?
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Reply #1 - 10/18/08 at 09:46:53
 
It could be anything from dirt in fuel tank through petcock to air/fuel mix. To answer the question: I have suffered that, but only after I installed cone K&N, harley exhaust and new jets. Everything was out of tune for a few days.
Having said that, and to narrow it down a bit: When did it start and how? Have you modified anything?
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Reply #2 - 10/18/08 at 09:50:24
 
Dasch... where did you get your jets? I need some to fix the darned backfiring and improve the ol' horse power a lil bit! I know its been beat to death on here, but I just want to know if I can run down to the auto parts store and pick up some randome ones and throw in there!
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Reply #3 - 10/18/08 at 10:28:31
 
Is your idle too low?  Not good for oil flow..
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Reply #4 - 10/18/08 at 11:01:53
 
Mine used to act fine at startup & drive away just fine, but sometimes, down the road, it would just act like it was running out of gas( start to surge & buck a bit) when I was slowing down, then it would just act like the power shut off to the ignition. It wouldnt turn over, like the start switch was dead. I put a tiny switch on the start solenoid timer & could bypass that & make it go again. I havent had this problem in a coupole of years, no idea what fixed it or caused it.
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Reply #5 - 10/18/08 at 14:04:27
 
I've had a problem with the bike running rough and shutting off during the heat of the summer after a long high speed ride on I-95. I would pull off the superslab and get caught at a stop light at the bottom of the exit. I think that the engine was spiking it's temperature from the run on the interstate. I richened up the air idle circuit by turning the jet out and it has run better since. It still runs rough sometimes but doesn't shut off.
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Reply #6 - 10/18/08 at 23:21:06
 
Chopped: My jets are Lancer's jets Smiley
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Reply #7 - 10/18/08 at 23:48:17
 
PipJones wrote on 10/18/08 at 08:22:36:
If i keep on the throttle a bit, it will continue to run, but if i let it idol, it will sputter and die like there is no fuel.

any ideas?


Try running it on "PRI".

This sounds like the petcork or vacuum line between the petcork and carb.

How many miles on the machine?

This is a common complaint when the weather gets colder. Expect the vac line to fail after about 4k-5k miles, and the petcork seals  will fail after about  4 years.

On my bike, when WOT, the throttle cable would smash the vac hose against the head. Over time the heat and smashing caused the soda straw quality vac hose to crack. I replaced it with about 10 inches of Goodyear fuel line.
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Reply #8 - 10/19/08 at 04:16:32
 
Sounds like the vac line to me as well. The stock line is very poor quality. Here is a side by side view of the stock line and the thicker walled automotive fuel line that I bought at an autoparts store for under a buck for a foot.  Money well spent, even if you determine that the problem is actually the petcock seal.

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Reply #9 - 10/19/08 at 18:52:45
 
To answer the questions above:

My bike has 13500 miles on it, its a 98, has pipes off an hold screming eagle harly package (i believe, it used to have a fin on the end but i chopped that) The fellow I baught it from said he took it to a shop and had $1000 worth of work done on it, rejetting the carb, cleaning everything up, etc etc. When i got the bike the first thing i had to change was the clutch cable, it almost broke on me. I dont know a thing about carbs, but i'm not scared to try. I am about to take the bike apart to fix the famous oil leak, and if there is anything anyone thiknks i should try, i'm all ears. However i don't know the lingo of carbs so you guys might have to bear with me.


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Reply #10 - 10/19/08 at 18:54:44
 
Forgot to mension.

started a month or so after i got it, first noticed on a rainy day.
that was about a month ago, and it has happened to me maybe 15 or so times since, its a daily so i ride it everywhere. it would be nice to get this fixed so i don't have to worry about it not working on me when i need it most.
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Reply #11 - 10/19/08 at 23:40:49
 
So since you bought it was running fine for a while, than started acting up.

For start, I would first drain the tank 100% and remove it, fill some gas in it, splash and flush, then take the petcock out and check for dirt on the strainer. If you can, switch to PRI and blow some air through it direction opposite the fuel flow. While you're at it, replace the vacuum hose as a good measure (look posts above). Make sure it sits tight.
Also, if petcock can be taken apart, do it. Check for cracks in the membrane, to cover everything that can be done on the gas tank/petcock.
Assemble, fill up, switch to PRI, wait 20secs, switch to ON, test drive, scream for help if it doesn't work  Wink

Again, that's just me.
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Reply #12 - 10/20/08 at 19:31:18
 
i just replaced the plug in the cylinder head that was leaking oil pretty badly (the famous oil leak everyone talks about), and i looked at the strainer in the petcock, nothing there. however, i did notice once the bike was all back together that the petcock felt grainy as i turned it. as though there was dirt/dust/sand in the valve itself. any way of cleaning that out. Checked the vaccum line, it appeared a-okay.
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Reply #13 - 10/20/08 at 20:32:49
 
I never took petcock apart on Savage. The one I did had a metal clip on the back side which held the lever axle in place. It should be fairly simple and visible. Some petcocks/faucets have a pin you have to knock out.
ABRO carb cleaner cleans everything, but it might eat rubber. Careful with diaphragm.
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Reply #14 - 10/21/08 at 18:12:13
 
2 days ago it happened to me. I thought I ran out of gas. I was coming to a stop sign so I pulled on the shoulder and switched to the reserve and it started right up. When I pulled away I looked at my odometer and realized that I should have plenty of gas left. I opened it up and sure enough I had gas and about 40 more miles left before reserve. That's the first time it's happened. I bought the bike, a stock '08, in May and have put 3800 miles on it.
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