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Re: Pilot jets
Reply #15 - 10/27/08 at 21:42:10

88pagan wrote on 10/27/08 at 20:04:41:

For some reason this supposedly completely stock 96 came to me with a 52.5 pilot instead of the stock 47.5. Soooo anyone have a 50 or the whereabouts for me?

I do believe a 52.5 pilot is a stock pilot jet, I have gone through four carbs (looking for one that would work) and every one of them had a 52.5 pilot jet.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29698 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #16 - 10/27/08 at 21:58:02 My info is #52.5 stock US. #47.5 stock for CA models, and for some reason 80's models US...
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88pagan Full Member Offline God is just an imaginary friend for adults.. Posts: 237 Norco, California Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #17 - 10/28/08 at 10:32:40 Thanks for all your help guys. Lancer I found the jet off the part #'s you gave me. Heading to Chaparral Motorsports on my lunch today, anyone need anything? Haha that place is awesome! Hopefully that pilot jet will get me where I need to be to stop working on it and start riding it! I'll update later
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Reply #18 - 10/28/08 at 17:34:34

Alright another bummer. Managed to find a 50 pilot jet locally, picked it up, just got home from work and threw it in. Started up perfectly, I started messing with the air/fuel screw, and before I even got anywhere it died. Pulled the filter and it started right up. Checked the plug and it's very fouled. Soooo I guess I need the 47.5 pilot. Unfortunately nobody around carries it so I'll have to order it online. OR, I might go back to Chaparral and pickup the 45 they had..mess with that and maybe file the holes open a little if I have to. Why the hell am I running so rich at idle! I just pulled the carb out and completely apart looking for anything wrong, it looks perfect. Jeeez

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Reply #19 - 10/28/08 at 19:27:45

88, I'm really thinking it's something other than jetting...

You're gonna' want to kick me for saying it, but double check that vacuum line for the presence of any gas...disconnect it at the carb and give it a little suck (no, really),... sometimes they might not leak until vacuum is applied. Switching to prime has been rumored to work around this problem,...but it will not. The leak will still happen.
To work around a vac line leak, you have to pull the vac line, cap both ends, then run on prime. That will bypass the system. Try that if want.
Or have you done the petc0ck conversion already? I can't remember.
If that's definitely O.K. then check that your float needle is seating properly and the float level is correct.
Next you need to make sure the needle and slide are moving smooth.

You've got to be getting some gas running around the jet system.

Best of luck, tell me how it checks out...

PS...I know what you're going through...I just spent all day rebuilding two carbs on a v-star,.....twice!....Must have missed something on the first go round.

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Reply #20 - 10/28/08 at 19:39:25

If this site will keep up with us I just might get this fixed. So I've got the laptop in the garage, just finished quadruple checking the cleanliness of the carb and I saw your msg. Checked on the vacuum line and still it is perfect. Sucked on the end and the gas comes pouring from the petcock. I'm assuming that's correct, right? Now the floats is another thing. It wasn't off by much but I checked it with the calipers and it WAS off a few mm. I fixed that, went back to the 150 main while I'm in there, and adding a washer to the needle so I've got two instead of one. I picked up a 45 pilot jet so I'm gonna throw it in, reinstall the carb and see what happens. If it really was the floats out of whack I'm guessing I'll be putting the 50 back in. When I first started the bike with the 50 I had to put the air screw all the way in to get it to go. Let's see, computer is standing by

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88pagan Full Member Offline God is just an imaginary friend for adults.. Posts: 237 Norco, California Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #21 - 10/28/08 at 19:41:19 Oh and I have NOT yet done the petcock mod since it seems to be fine. I'm assuming the po hasn't either. Maybe after all this I will. Almost picked up a raptor one while I was getting the pilot jet also..darn
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Reply #22 - 10/28/08 at 19:51:37

"Sucked on the end and the gas comes pouring from the petcock. I'm assuming that's correct, right?"

Wrong!!!!...That's the problem! That line should have absolutely no gas in it.

To work around a vac line leak, you have to pull the vac line, cap both
ends, then run on prime. That will bypass the system.

This WILL fix the problem!

You must cap off both the petc0ck and the carb. You can get little vac line caps at the auto store but they will rot away in a few months. You can also use little one inch pieces of line and jam a golf tee in them (ugly but works for testing).

Once you're sure that fixes the problem, you'll need to either do the petc0ck mod or replace it.

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88pagan Full Member Offline God is just an imaginary friend for adults.. Posts: 237 Norco, California Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #23 - 10/28/08 at 20:00:38 Sorry Serowbot I think I worded it wrong. Sorry I'm going between bike n computer. I sucked on the vacuum line and no gas comes from there, it's completely dry. Gas came from the open end of the petcock that feeds to the carb. That's right, right?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29698 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #24 - 10/28/08 at 20:06:49 Darn it!...Yeah, that's right.... Not the problem...sorry. Got to be float level, float needle,...or sticky slide. Or...a new idea,. Are you sure you put the needle jet spacer in the correct position? Take a double look at the schematic view again. In the wrong place it could block the passage open a little and leak in extra gas.
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Reply #25 - 10/28/08 at 20:11:20

Haha ok well here's the deal. Bike is sitting right behind me running just fine. Messing with the air screw only makes it slow down if I come out anything from all the way in. darn I hope that makes sense the way I was thinking it. Also pulled the vac line off while it's running and sucked and nothing there. I think I'm gonna drop the rpms and go around the block a couple times

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88pagan Full Member Offline God is just an imaginary friend for adults.. Posts: 237 Norco, California Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #26 - 10/28/08 at 20:16:11 Orrrr maybe I won't. Flooded again.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29698 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #27 - 10/28/08 at 20:18:10 Hope it works,...still think it's compensating for a leak somewhere. Gotta' run for tonight,
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Re: Pilot jets
Reply #28 - 10/28/08 at 20:30:08

I had the same problem you are having Pagan, I still hadn't figured out what it was, but I went through three carbs and finally got a carb that works proper.

Like I said, I still have no idea what was going on with it. My first carb was having the same exact problem, air/fuel mix turned all the way in and still running extremely rich, second carb had boogered pilot/air screw and I mangled it trying to get it out, third carb works perfectly.

Once I get the money, I will be ordering Lancer's performance carb.

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88pagan Full Member Offline God is just an imaginary friend for adults.. Posts: 237 Norco, California Gender:	Re: Pilot jets Reply #29 - 10/28/08 at 20:33:38 I think I may be doing that too. It's been running for about 5 min's now with the screw all the way in. I'm hesitant to ride off cause I don't feel like pushing it home but guess I might as well try. Just seems odd that every single thing checks out and I'm running a #45 pilot now. Going to keep trying things I guess.
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