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Reply #15 - 10/29/08 at 11:20:59
 
mountaintrout wrote on 10/29/08 at 10:20:36:
which would you recommend full face, of flip up?  


Full face, 1/2's and beanies are BS. I ahve caught enough rocks and sticks and bugs and cigarettes with my jaw piece and facesheild to know its useless if they are not there.
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Re: being told different or misleading information
Reply #16 - 10/29/08 at 11:24:35
 
Helmet choice is somewhat personal..I prefer a 3/4 helmet and use a windscreen on my Savage.  if your young and somewhat inexperienced, you might consider a full face- they offer greater protection should you and the bike part ways while riding.  And as suggested above, try them on and get one that fits comfortably.
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Reply #17 - 10/29/08 at 11:51:10
 
Oh he's right ... I buy full face and I hate windscreens.
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Reply #18 - 10/29/08 at 12:09:34
 
My older son and I have full face helmets, My wife and younger son have flip ups.

Advantage to the Full face for lightness and quieter while riding. Advantage to the flip up for people who wear glasses or when fueling etc. in the summer when you don't want to take off your helmet, but it's really hot out. Bottom line you can't really go wrong with either, so it becomes personal preference.

As far as any helmet without a chin strap, every FF helmet that I've seen that was involved in a collision had a big set of scrapes across the chin and cheek. Not surprisingly the riders that I know that hit their head without a FF helmet had corresponding scrapes on their face or worse.
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Re: being told different or misleading information
Reply #19 - 10/30/08 at 02:53:28
 
mountaintrout wrote on 10/29/08 at 10:20:36:
which would you recommend full face, of flip up?  


If you wear prescription glasses, the flip up makes it easy. If not, the full face is fine.  Personally, those are the only choices I would consider.  Skid Lids and 3/4 face may look cool to some, but do not offer sufficient protection for me.

Any DOT approved helmet will work as long as it is comfy and fits securely. It should not be easy for you to twist it around on your head when secured and should not be too snug. Venting is very important in warmer climates, too.  If a helmet is also SNELL approved, it simply means that there is a third party, the SNELL memorial foundation, that checks the testing methods of the manufacturer. DOT approved means the manufacturer certifies themself (think about all the self-certified Chinese products on the market and be cautious) . My helmets are full face SHOEI and Bell that are DOT/Snell approved.
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Re: being told different or misleading information
Reply #20 - 10/30/08 at 06:26:27
 
I ride my '87 Savage around at 70 mph all the time.  That is the speed limit here.  I have run it down the freeway at 75-80 and it never even wheezed.  I've noticed with mine that it just goes and goes right up until about 85 mph, then stops climbing all of a sudden.  No rough or weak running prior to top speed.  Me thinks the guy who told you the Savage wouldn't hack it either has never ridden one, or wants to sell you something else.  I'm 6'-3" and around 185, by the way.  My freeway trip included about 50 pounds of gear.

As for the helmet I wear a full-face HJC that I paid something like $120 for.  I like it.  It's comfortable, well ventilated, and bug and rock proof.  Hopefully, I'll never have to find out how strong it is.
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Reply #21 - 10/30/08 at 07:05:04
 
thank you sandy and  EssForty.  you are very kind to help me.
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Reply #22 - 10/30/08 at 07:11:55
 
FCrash statistics show helmet damage. I had a regular Ol Helmet with face shield, till a guy explained how many crashes take the riders chin off. Then I bought a flip face. Then I stuffed my vface in the cab corner of a smnall pickiup, Anything less than full foverage would have been big time pain, possibly dead,

To be fair, I wasn't even wearing a helmet the first 2 tiomes I totalled a bike & the first time, IF I had been wearing one, I would be so dead it aint funny, cuz it would have broken my neck, as it is I had 3 cracked vertebrae, a helmet for a fulcrum between shoulder & head & POP,, dead, so, you pays your money & you tyakes your chances, Im sticking with the flip face.
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Re: being told different or misleading information
Reply #23 - 10/30/08 at 07:51:26
 
I received my new from the crate '96 Savage in '99 from my newly employed son (after 6 years in of higher education) for Father's Day ... yes, a very good boy!  He knew of my love for big singles and being without a bike at the time he just wanted to say thanks and express his love.
Anyway, when new and bone stock mine would  max out in the low 80's on a flat road with no wind.  A rejet of the stock carb and a different muffler added about 8-10 mph but that particular muffler was not the best choice.  Time and a lot of input from many many folks on this forum have shown that a rejet and good tuning of the stock carb and replacing the stock muffler with an '04 or earlier HD Dyna or Sportster muffler will result in a very nice bump in power and responsiveness and also make for a bike that sounds like a bike should and not a lawn mower.
The cost for rejetting and muffler swap can be as low as $50.

One of the greatest attributes of this motorcycle is the bag full of torque that is available for moving it and you around on the road.  It is that idle to near redline TORQUE that provides that strong pull that makes this bike so fun, efficient and just all around rideable.  Whether a brief trip to the store, a cross town commute, or cross country tour, it can do it.  It does really shine in the short to medium range type of ride, and bigger and heavier bikes are more comfy for the long range stuff, but if you only have one bike to use and are not spending over 50%  of your time in cross country touring then you would be hard pressed to find a better and more usable bike.

Throw in the simplicity of maintenance, fuel economy and low cost, this bike becomes one of best deals on the road.

Not that I'm biased of course.   Smiley
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Re: being told different or misleading information
Reply #24 - 10/30/08 at 08:21:12
 
OK, just to totally confuse you, there are actually three certifications:  DOT, Snell and EC (European).  Here's a brief rundown on the differences.

Snell:  Is a private foundation, and a Snell helmet is the only one you can use on a track day.  These must be full face.  Snell does not certify a flip front, period.  Snell also developed from motorsports, both automotive and the two-wheeled variety.  Snell also has a "double impact" requirement that requires a "harder" type of foam energy absorber than the others.  Receiving two impacts at the same location is far more likely to occur to someone who is strapped into a roll cage than bouncing off a motorcycle.  That's why there are some who feel the Snell foam is "harder" than necessary or ideally desirable.

EC:  This is the European standard.  They do certify flip up helmets.  I'm not positive, but I strongly suspect that that includes some type of standard for the latching mechanism.  The impact absorbing foam is midway between the DOT and Snell standards.

DOT:  Anything less is sold as a "novelty helmet".  DOT will certify pudding bowls and beanies -- which use air as a protective material in many critical places.  However, testing has shown that for the areas actually protected by a particular DOT helmet, the "softer" foam may well be an advantage in minimizing injury.  There is not, to my knowledge, any standard for latches on the flip-up style.

My opinion:  Full-face.  Go for fit, ventilation and comfort.   The best helmet is the one you actually wear, so if you find a full-face that you like, it's your best choice.  DOT, EC or Snell don't appear to be critical in this category, unless you want to do a track day.  

That said, I use a flip-up around town.  It's just easier to use with glasses.  For flip-up, go EC standard.  

If you absolutely, positively go bat-shot claustrophobic in a full-face, well, then you're looking at a 3/4.  Stay away from shorties, beanies and other "make-believe".

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Re: being told different or misleading information
Reply #25 - 10/30/08 at 09:58:18
 
too add my 5 cents, mine did 140km/h fully stock when I bought it. Easy. I was to scared to push it further, but it could do more. As guys said, the TORQUE and that pickhammer-like sound and thumping are a blast. I've had a few motorcycles so far, this one has the personality I will not give up easily. Uunderstated. and I keep up with friends on Harley's, intruders and shadows very easily. That much.
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