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Jonny_Chicago Serious Thumper Offline Nazis, f**k off! Posts: 513 Chicago, IL Gender:	Re: Political Compass Reply #30 - 01/02/09 at 18:10:50 Paladin, do you know any info. on who sponsors this or their ties? Just curious if it is truly a non-biased site. Thanks!
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Reply #31 - 01/02/09 at 18:23:24

Well, the test is biased to the left. Questions like "The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts. Similarly, a society that focused solely on the arts would soon find itself full of starving artists! Equally biased is the question "It is natural for children to keep secrets from their parents.". Of course it's natural, but that doesn't make it right or desirable from the parents view; or necessarily in the childs best interest. Questions like those on the test are designed to skew results to a more liberal bent.
Now that I've gotten off my soapbox, my scores are as follows:
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18
I've always considered myself to be a social liberal and economic conservative. In other words, do whatever you want; just don't expect me to pay for it!
While the results may be interesting/surprising, I'm not sure if such a flawed test will really tell us anything about ourselves or each other.

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Reply #32 - 01/02/09 at 22:51:01

The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts.

When I was in my early 20's I would have agreed. Arts? Who needs them? Frivolity,thats all that is. Business makes the world go round.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28996 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Political Compass Reply #33 - 01/02/09 at 23:26:46 Economic Left/Right: -0.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97
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Reply #34 - 01/03/09 at 03:25:46

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/02/09 at 22:51:01:

The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts.

When I was in my early 20's I would have agreed. Arts? Who needs them? Frivolity,thats all that is. Business makes the world go round.

That is sad.

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Re: Political Compass
Reply #35 - 01/03/09 at 03:28:48

Jay wrote on 01/02/09 at 18:23:24:

Well, the test is biased to the left. Questions like "The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts. Similarly, a society that focused solely on the arts would soon find itself full of starving artists! Equally biased is the question "It is natural for children to keep secrets from their parents.". Of course it's natural, but that doesn't make it right or desirable from the parents view; or necessarily in the childs best interest. Questions like those on the test are designed to skew results to a more liberal bent.
Now that I've gotten off my soapbox, my scores are as follows:
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18
I've always considered myself to be a social liberal and economic conservative. In other words, do whatever you want; just don't expect me to pay for it!
While the results may be interesting/surprising, I'm not sure if such a flawed test will really tell us anything about ourselves or each other.

Jay, a poll with 2 answers kinda has to have the questions worded that way. If there are only 2 answers to choose from where would "middle ground" fit?

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Reply #36 - 01/03/09 at 07:05:11

Jonny_Chicago wrote on 01/02/09 at 18:10:50:

Paladin, do you know any info. on who sponsors this or their ties? Just curious if it is truly a non-biased site.

Yeah, the wife mentioned that she went to a similar site that was run by a libertarian, trying to get people to look into the Libertarian Party.

This site appears to be British, BLEAH!!! The owner of domain name is:

Registrant Name:Jonathan Pagel
Registrant Organization: Pagel Ltd
Registrant Street1:21 Perry Hill
Registrant Street2:Catford
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:London
Registrant State/Province:London
Registrant Postal Code:SE64LF
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.86999861

Which, if you take a peek at maps.google.com, is his home, a duplex. He is a little more open and honest than me, as I use my work address for my domains.

There is also a FAQ on the site that will answer the Frequently Asked Questions.

Or you could try to contact our inactive member, London Thing, and ask him to do a ride by.

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grandpa Senior Member Offline Old but not cold!!! Posts: 259 Bartlett TN Gender:	Re: Political Compass Reply #37 - 01/03/09 at 14:55:18 Took it twice and then read the comments about the test maybe skewed left. Made more sense of my outcome. Lot more centered than I (and probably most of y'all) would believe. Economic - right 2.12 Social -plus 1.08
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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: Political Compass Reply #38 - 01/03/09 at 19:45:55 Hummmmmmm Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 6.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.33
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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: Political Compass Reply #39 - 01/03/09 at 19:59:49 well, economic -4.50 social -2.15
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Re: Political Compass
Reply #40 - 01/03/09 at 21:07:22

"Jay, a poll with 2 answers kinda has to have the questions worded that way. If there are only 2 answers to choose from where would "middle ground" fit?"

Well, you've answered your own question really. "Niether agree nor disagree" would have been a good start towards the middle. We only had "agree, stongly agree" or "disagree, stongly disagree" to choose from. The addition of "strongly" in either category merely gives the illusion of greater choice, and was unnecessary. Having to choose between two absolutes negates any middle ground, and will skew results in one direction or the other, as we've seen in this poll. Several who've taken it have intimated that the results were not consistent with their core beliefs. That type of result can only be due to skewing in the poll itself. Had the answers been only "agree" or "disagree", it would have been easier to spot the defect in the poll. Hence, I imagine, the addition of the two similar and, in my opinion, unnecessary answers.

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babbalou Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 814 Lewisville, Texas Gender:	Re: Political Compass Reply #41 - 01/03/09 at 22:07:11 Almost dead center for me. Economic Left/Right: 1.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.51
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Political Compass Reply #42 - 01/03/09 at 22:19:02 Reelthing wrote on 01/03/09 at 19:45:55: Hummmmmmm Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 6.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.33 DAAANG! Im surprised..
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Re: Political Compass
Reply #43 - 01/03/09 at 23:08:40

Paladin. wrote on 01/01/09 at 01:16:50:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/31/08 at 20:47:58:

Heres a fun little "test" to see where individuals line up politically....

Would be very interesting.

Political Compass Org. -- click on "take the test" (upper left), post your numbers, and I'll add you to the chart and the list.

http://www.savageriders.com/images/PoliticalCompass.gif

Economic Social
Left/ Libertarian/
Right Authoritarian User:

6.12 5.33 Reelthing
2.75 3.08 Jerry Eichenberger
0.88 3.18 Toymaker
2.12 1.08 grandpa
2.50 0.62 skrapiron -FSO
-0.25 1.33 bill67
1.88 -1.33 sjaskow
0.50 -3.95 justin_o_guy2
-0.62 -2.97 verslagen1
-3.25 -0.46 vargas
-3.88 -0.67 Southpaw
-4.50 -1.54 ALfromN.H.
-5.00 -1.18 Jay
-3.75 -2.58 Ed L.
-4.50 -2.15 Trippah
-4.25 -2.67 Charon
-4.00 - 3.08 mick
-5.62 -1.85 Bobbert
-5.00 -2.87 thumperclone
-4.00 -4.21 Paladin.
-5.75 -5.25 forrest
-5.88 -5.13 serowbot
-8.38 -5.23 gerald.hughes
-7.12 -7.23 Jonny_Chicago
-7.38 -7.54 Starlifter

that's me ole sluggo
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08

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Re: Political Compass
Reply #44 - 01/04/09 at 04:36:36

Jay wrote on 01/03/09 at 21:07:22:

"Jay, a poll with 2 answers kinda has to have the questions worded that way. If there are only 2 answers to choose from where would "middle ground" fit?"

Well, you've answered your own question really. "Niether agree nor disagree" would have been a good start towards the middle. We only had "agree, stongly agree" or "disagree, stongly disagree" to choose from. The addition of "strongly" in either category merely gives the illusion of greater choice, and was unnecessary. Having to choose between two absolutes negates any middle ground, and will skew results in one direction or the other, as we've seen in this poll. Several who've taken it have intimated that the results were not consistent with their core beliefs. That type of result can only be due to skewing in the poll itself. Had the answers been only "agree" or "disagree", it would have been easier to spot the defect in the poll. Hence, I imagine, the addition of the two similar and, in my opinion, unnecessary answers.

I took a couple classes in college on puplic opinions and how to make, and give surveys/polls, and a survey can be designed to look for absolutes leaving out the bailout answer of "neither agree or disagree."
Sure, a poll can be designed to direct the responses in a particular direction. I don't see that here since the choices are consistant.

However, I pause and realize I'm defending a poll that I have nothing to do with. So why waste the time? Maybe just look at the poll as fun and a way to kill a little time.

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